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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:55 pm

23 wrote:a) Egypt's military - conscriptive
b) local police - professional

A major distinction which supports the revolutionaries. It would be a different transaction if both units were professional.

Moral of the story: we need to return back to conscription.


Wafik Mustafa on al Jazeera: "the regular police, i.e. troops on the ground are conscripts as well (same pay as army conscripts), it's the officer class (with 40-50%more in pay) that back the regime" [paraphrased summary].

that might explain the exchange of fire between the police and mil in Suez: the few remaining officers stuck in the police station.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 23 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:08 pm

The revolutionaries in Egypt were fortunate to have conscription in place.

If we don't learn from that, shame on us.
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Postby justdrew » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:17 pm

23 wrote:The revolutionaries in Egypt were fortunate to have conscription in place.

If we don't learn from that, shame on us.


I agree, the permitting of a self selecting military aristocracy in the US is a bad bad move.
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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:20 pm

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:28 pm

al Jazeera: Wafik Mustafa on the Ministry of "Propaganda" (Information) formed by former nazis given refuge in Egypt after the war; compares the DNP building to Gestapo HQ; says Mubarak has probably already left the country. Robert Binyon: says this reminds him in some ways of Europe 1989 and that it might spread across all of the ME.

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Postby Jeff » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:30 pm

Al Jazeera banner: Speaker of Egyptian Parliament says important statement expected soon
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Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:31 pm

Jeff wrote:Al Jazeera banner: Speaker of Egyptian Parliament says important statement expected soon


Waiting for the American weekend?
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:31 pm

vanlose kid wrote:Image




„MAN MUSS BEFUERCHTEN, DASS DAS GANZE IN GOTTES HAND IST"

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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:32 pm

^ ^ was looking for that, thanks!

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Postby Alaya » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:35 pm

Stay safe, Alice.

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Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:36 pm

Alaya wrote:Stay safe, Alice.

:grouphug:


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Postby Jeff » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:40 pm



Leave us alone and you'll see, how we can drag down the state.
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Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:55 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:
Alaya wrote:Stay safe, Alice.

:grouphug:


I hope she's fucking shit up.
Safely of course.


:lol2: I bet most of RI are mentally cheering themselves hoarse for her... I am :)
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:56 pm

I just logged in to say: man, I wish Alice could be with us here -- and noticed that a lot of us are thinking of her at the same time.

When you can, let us know what's up, girl.

I've been thinking too guys, this might be a time to scour craigslist and your local garage sales/goodwill and stuff for an old skool dial-up modem with USB or serial connectivity. Most all computers sold since 2006 or so no longer have them built in. These modems would be good to have in stock whether all they ever do is wind up collecting dust.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:03 pm

Pro-Israel groups cool to Egyptian protests
Why two leading pro-Israel groups are not embracing the popular upheaval in Egpyt
BY JUSTIN ELLIOTT

It's hardly a secret that Israel is worried about the events in Egypt, which signed a peace treaty with the Jewish state in 1979 under the leadership of Hosni Mubarak's predecessor, Anwar Sadat. More recently, Egypt has cooperated with Israel on the blockade of Gaza.

The Israelis are worried about, among other things, the possibility that an Islamic movement could gain power if the Mubarak regime were to fall. So I was interested today to see reaction from pro-Israel groups in the United States -- which were favorably disposed to the democratic aspirations of the Green movement in Iran last year -- to the Egyptian pro-democracy protests.

This afternoon I spoke with Alan Elsner, senior director of communications at the Israel Project, an influential D.C.-based pro-Israel group. He has an analysis that is leading the group's website today that argues the Arab protests highlight Israel's "stability." But the piece does not explicitly support or oppose the Egyptian protests. I asked Elsner if the Israel Project is taking a position.

"Obviously like all Americans and Israelis and others we are watching with great attentiveness," he said. "We understand very well that this is a regime that has been there for 30 years and is an authoritarian government. It hasn't allowed free and fair elections -- we understand that. We also understand that this is a government that made peace with Israel in 1979 and Mubarak's predecessor paid for that peace with his life."

Elsner said that while it is too early to tell what a post-Mubarak government could look like -- and whether Mubarak will even fall -- there are concerns: "He has observed the treaty and that treaty has become a bulwark of stability. Should Mubarak go, there is concern about the kind of government that would replace him, and whether it would be inclined to maintain that treaty."

I asked Elsner about the Israel Project's previous support for a "Stand for Freedom in Iran" rally in September 2009, held in the wake of the Green Movement protests, that emphasized lofty ideals of human rights and democracy. Why is the group not supporting the same ideals in Egypt?

"There is a huge difference between the governments of Iran and of Israel. The government of Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel and has observed it," Elsner said, also noting the antagonistic view of Iran toward Israel. He said the Israel Project is not to his knowledge planning any programs in support of the Egyptian protests, saying it will likely "be regarded as an internal matter for the people of Egypt."

Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, had much the same view when I spoke to him this afternoon.

"We've always supported the movement toward democratization," he said. "At the same time, you don't want to see upheaval that could be exploited by extremist elements in the region. We would be very concerned that elements would come into power that would not sustain the involvement of Egpyt in the peace process and sustain the comittments in the peace agreements."

Hoenlein added: "Getting rid of Mubarak will create such disruption and potentially dangerous change" -- he would prefer an orderly process of reform to revolution.

So for now, at least, don't look for American pro-Israel groups to do much in the way of supporting the Egyptian protesters.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_ ... index.html

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