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Postby Qutb » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:59 am

Happy new year's, people. I don't know if this has been posted here already. Senior parapolitical researcher, professor Peter Dale Scott is said to be working on a book about 9/11, and I assume <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/global-drug.htm" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> is a little tidbit, titled "The Global Drug Meta-Group:<br>Drugs, Managed Violence, and the Russian 9/11". It appears in the excellent "The Lobster" (UK).<br><br>I found it very interesting, a few more pieces fell into place for me when reading it. The Russian angle here is something I don't think we've been paying enough attention to. Scott's thesis, in a nutshell, is that there exists a "force X" in the world, international and cosmopolitan, whose business is drugs, war, and terror, and which operates "above" the various governments of the world and exerts influence on (and infiltrates) them. But we knew that. What he describes is basically the Octopus gone global. It's also no surprise to see Halliburton mentioned as a key player in "force X". What's more interesting is how important the Russian component seems to be (according to Scott). Allegedly, there exists a faction within the Russian military/security apparatus that is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>disloyal</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to president Putin, involved in the traffic of Afghan heroin, and responsible for the 1999 Moscow bombings as well as the "Prishtina dash" in Kosovo the same year, and the driving force behind the war in Chechnya. <br><br>This faction of the Russian military (and their allies among the Russian "oligarchs") is alleged to make up one part of this "drug meta-group" or force X, but they are of course not the only one. They enjoy close cooperation with the Saudi Arabian intelligence service (which has also been involved in Chechnya), and of course with Halliburton, the Bushes and the CIA. <br><br>An interesting personality who seems to be central in this "milieu" is Ruslan Saidov, alias "Mehmet". Saidov is a former Soviet military officer, now a Turkish citizen, drugs and arms trafficker, and a Wahhabi Islamist who is said to be very influential in Middle Eastern Islamist circles. He is said to have good relations with Ayman al-Zawahiri of al-Qa'ida (Bin Laden's "Cheney"), Adnan Khashoggi, Prince Turki al-Faisal (Saudi Arabia) - and also with the CIA. <br><br>Saidov was present at a meeting in Adnan Khashoggi's villa in France in 1999 together with Chechen guerrilla leader Shamil Basaev, several Abkhazians, Venezuelan-German banker Alfonso Davidovich (who launders the FARC's drug money), German-Israeli-French-Abkhazian banker Yakov Kosman (who launders the Kosovo-Albanian mafia's drug money), Alexandr Voloshin (head of the Russian presidential administration), and "political scientist"/former GRU (Russian military intel) officer Anton Surikov, who also has connections to the CIA and to Yukos (the Russian oil company), and who is said to have arranged the meeting. <br><br>Scott seems to attach a lot of significance to this meeting, suggesting that the Moscow bombings and the resumption of the war in Chechnya were planned there (he seems to imply that Putin, who is usually blamed for the bombings, was "out of the loop"), and also that it served as a "drug trafficker summit" following the taking of the Pristina airport in Kosovo by Russian forces (effectively the meta-group - even Yeltsin may have been out of the loop on that maneuver, it is alleged).<br><br>French intelligence are rumored to have filmed this meeting. <br><br>A company called Far West, Ltd seems to be at the core of "force X". Their business is basically recruiting mercenaries for private military companies and "consulting" for companies that do business in dangerous parts of the world. They have several "partner" companies, three of which are said to be the following:<br><br>- «Meteoric Tactical Solutions» (South Africa) – in Angola; <br>- «Kellogg, Brown & Root» (KBR Halliburton) – in Colombia, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Georgia, and Iraq. <br>- «Diligence Iraq LLC» (controlled by the Kuwaiti Mohammed as-Sagar) – in Iraq.<br><br>Diligence LLC was founded in 1998 by former FBI and CIA director William Webster. It's described as a CIA spin-off. <br><br>Scott doesn't write much about 9/11 here, and admits to having no solid evidence that the "meta-group"/"force X" was behind/involved in 9/11. That's refreshingly honest and non-sensationalist. But it's obvious what he suspects. And on the topic of drugs, this blew my mind:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I will close with a question I have raised before. One has to ask why in 2004 some U.S. bureaucratic sectors in the Bush Administration were still using the KLA's very special background to deal with the difficult situation in Haiti:<br><br>In 2004 a USAID Report confirmed that "Training and management specialists of the Kosovo Protection Corps, a civilian response unit consisting primarily of former Kosovo Liberation Army members, have been brought to Haiti"[97]<br>Why would AID bring veterans of the Kosovo Liberation Army, "a major force in international organized crime, moving staggering amounts of narcotics."[98] to train and manage the Haitian Army, an organization traditionally "corrupted by Colombian cocaine kingpins"?[99]<br><br>Whatever the answer, it is hard to imagine that AID in 2004 did not have drugs somehow in mind.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Indeed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Peter Dale Scott

Postby Dreams End » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:26 am

when we first started getting into Dugin, et al, I began to wonder if it was simply a matter of THEY (whoever THEY are) packing up shop and moving their headquarters to Russia/Eurasia.<br><br>The article didn't mention fascist/neo-fascist ties but I'll be very interested to see the book.<br><br>Weirdly, this morning I had a nightmare that involved...a literal octopus and I immediately, upon waking, thought of the metaphorical octopus. the Octopus had grabbed onto the legs of a nice looking, professional woman and slowly was pulling her into the water. As she was being dragged under I was swimming along trying to hold her head above water but eventually she was dragged under in an area thick with plants. <br><br>Probably more to do with my wife's current situation, but I immediately woke this morning with the "octopus" in mind.<br><br>Thanks for the article. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Peter Dale Scott

Postby Dreams End » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:57 am

I'm going to add this little bit. It's copied from another thread but that thread may end up in the firepit. First I'll add this post by scollon. I'm sad to say he was excited by this quote, but it's a warning light for the rest of us:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Putin remark rattles Jews<br><br>(JTA) - A reference to Zionism in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s annual Kremlin news conference alarmed some Jewish leaders.<br><br>A Ukrainian reporter asked Putin on Thursday about the future of Russian-Ukrainian relations if opposition leader Viktor Yuschenko wins the Ukrainian election Sunday. “We will work with any leader whom Ukraine will choose,” Putin said. “We only count that in the entourage of Yuschenko there will be no people who build their position on anti-Russian, Zionist slogans. We are closely following such statements and consider that that would be impermissible.” Some Jewish leaders told JTA they were alarmed by the remark, which seemed to describe Zionism as an anti-Russian movement, though they wouldn’t go on the record. Others said they think Putin simply confused the terms “Zionism” and “anti-Semitism.”<br><br>During this year’s Ukrainian election campaign, some people — including members of the Russian leadership — have criticized Yuschenko for ties to figures associated with Ukrainian nationalism and anti-Semitism. The Russian ambassador to the United States, Yuri Ushakov, assured Mark Levin, executive director of the Washington-based NCSJ, that Putin simply misspoke.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/122304Putin_Zionist.shtml">www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/122...nist.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Then I added this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>While there won't be enough Jews in that conception to keep some happy, surely the Israeli mafia is also involved so that should keep some on this board happy.<br><br>Meanwhile, it's conspiracy theory that is rare. It's about a larger nexus of criminals and elements of the security apparatus of various countries. Not as "neat" as a single, centuries old "Illuminati" but I think, given the sheer level of "chaos" in history, that its a more accurate description of the very real forces operating in our world.<br><br>In Russia, there really is a powerful rightwing/anti-semitic movement. Revisit the threads on Heinberg that get into Richard Dugin...but it's a little confusing. Dugin's current party is not only ostensibly pro-Putin, they also include Israel as part of their movement. Nevertheless, Dugin's past has very, very clear statements about Jews. His past also included the National Bolshevik party, which was anti-Putin.<br><br>One thought I had while reading all of that was that perhaps the "octopus" was simply moving "headquarters" so to speak, to russia/Eurasia as the U.S. sinks into oblivion.<br><br>I wouldn't dismiss these rightwing movements as insignificant. They don't have to be in power to be powerful, if you know what I mean. Merely the rightward pressure can be enough. Do any of these so-called "third way" fascist organizations have ties to this "octopus"? I assume so. If you revisit the story of Dutroux in Belgium, the guy convicted of enslaving and trafficking (and murdering) teenage girls, you'll see very clear connections to Belgian fascists (this was the point, as veritas, I was trying to suggest in the thread about the white nationalist girl singers called "Russian Blue" and notice, again, the "Russian" in their title.)<br><br>So, add onto Qutb's article the idea of child sex slave trafficking (as in Dyncorp) and I think we start to have some outlines of who THEY are.)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I hope this doesn't take this thread too far off topic as I don't know that PDS deals with either "third way" fascism and their criminal ties, or Russian anti-Semitism or even child trafficking, but I think they are a part of the picture.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby ir » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:07 pm

De, of course when I read your dream, it felt like its me there drowning in slime and water, but that's also cause my sewage system is broken somewhere and I feel that I am being "gassed" to death, so to speak...I was't sure what is "professional" stand for, is it a woman with profession or a pro ? (both can apply to my sense of depression today..).<br><br>--<br> I am not very famliar with PDS's work, i just heard one talk he gave in Berkeley, in one of those leftie book stores, and it was very informative and I was impressed by him, and since I am Israeli, he was interested to briefly chat after the talk. It was all about drug and CIA and was way above my head in term of names, places...events, I know too little about it all. I was just curious about him and he was at that point probably interested to know more about Israel, perhaps in preparation of his books or so, and all I remember is that he said he is a close buddy of Elsberg, who is somewhat and a little bit interested in Israel. not too much though.<br>--<br>But I never read his books, so I can't really say anything.<br>As for "them" moving to Russia from the USA, that would be good news to the american people hey ? But I think by now it is an octopus in the sense of "it" having branches as big and active as possible within each country. to each his own..:-) But if Bush is an asset, he would first to be removed for the changes to be felt in the USA. I don't know if PDS considered Bush part of the mob or just cooperative as everyone else.<br><br> I hope he gives names and affiliation of the Israeli mafia. that would be a helpful index. <br><br>---<br>Brittish fascists - this is something new to me. In my imagination, the brits were a bunch of old time gentlemen with a subtle humor. Apparently, there are others. for me, i prefer to think of Dennis Potter as the exemplary english representative in my inner world. I take this Brittish-US skirmish as "family dispute", sort of good cop bad cop. Still it is a competition between anglo-imperial forces that usually end up cooperating basically, with canada standing in between doing the "lets be reasonable" part, and all of us, inferior nations are forced to run between the parents, appeasing this one, without angering the other, Not pleasant. Sometimes I think the Brits are still angry that the US snatched the pawn-Jews from them as with other client states/colonies. Maybe they just can't forgive the jews for betraying them and moving to the new kingdom...how treacherous..:-)<br>--<br><br>Well. UK gave birth to Israel, and its sister, the US wlil burry it ? who knows. I feel suffocated today, and I have been "manic" in terms of writing on the board the last days, partly due to PMS.<br><br>So, with this happy note, goodyear to all of you, <br>and merry xman to the greek/Russian orthodox on this board, that should be friday, I think...anyway,<br>I should take a breather.<br><br><br>ps - chavez, I add the links I checkes, not sure which one was more reliable. you have the spanish original there, maybe you cna ask a friend to take a look at it, someone whose mother toungue is spanish.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ww4report.com/node/1426">www.ww4report.com/node/1426</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/comments/jews_own_all_the_gold_silver_and_water/">timblair.net/ee/index.php...and_water/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>they also have links to other reports. I get the impression the statement is ambiguous, and therefore I think only native speakers with some basic understanding of politics, can correctly carry the nuance. i was hesitating whether to post the chavez issue in my blog or in a political board where people admire him (radicals and communists), but i'd rather get a true translation before, I mean someone i trust.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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PDS's 'Cocaine Politics' is a primer for the US-drug wars.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:10 pm

Scott and Jonathan Marshall detail the CIA's use of drug money and criminals in their efforts to control Central and South America governments in the 1970s and 1980s. <br><br>In his latest article, Scott contends that the drug mega-cartels have evolved into a world-wide criminal system now dominating the nation state system. And this can't be said out in the open by the politicians who know it is so. They just mouth platitudes about the 'war on drugs.' Might as well be the 'war on sarcasm.'<br><br>This topic is demoralizing because it leads to the conclusion spooks and criminals have the same modus operandi - "whatever it takes to win." So laws are only for those without weapons and billions of black budget dollars to play with.<br><br>Reading Scott could lead one to conclude this has become the global carrier wave for subborning national governments just as the Council on Foreign Relations used the CIA and covert technology to subborn the public government designed by the US Constitution.<br><br>Drugs and spooks as the global virus softening the target with terror and chaos and corruption for a New World disOrder.<br><br>ok, getting a tad grim...back to gloating over the Abramoff come-uppance... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 1/4/06 1:21 pm<br></i>
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Re: PDS's 'Cocaine Politics' is a primer for the US-drug war

Postby Qutb » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:34 pm

Hey Dreams - thought you might be interested in <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://left.ru/2005/11/preskonf_eng.html" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> interesting little follow-up:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In the end of June Internet weekly Left Russia published the first part of its journalistic investigation by the autonomous research group burtsev.ru. In the focus of this investigation is a group of renegade Soviet secret service officers who are allegedly involved in international drug traffiking and have ties with Western and Saudi security apparatus. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Recently, this group of people made a public debut in the role of "radical communists" and "green revolutionists" (Islamic) under the cover of the Moscow Institute of Globalization Studies (IPROG) headed by the prominent Russian leftist Boris Kagarlitsky</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. The burtsev.ru group believes that the Institute has become one of the centers for a pro-Western coup d'etat in Russia.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Russia is confusing... but it seems that many of the "players" on the Russian political scene, especially those somewhat on the radical fringes, like to wear several "hats".<br><br>More <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.left.ru/inter/" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, from left.ru. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.left.ru/inter/surik_kond.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <br>Now what have we here. This photo was taken at Russia's first "social forum", and the man to the right is none other than Anton Surikov, the former GRU officer who allegedly organized the drug summit in Khashoggi's villa. He is apparently reinventing himself as "new left". Now where have we heard that before.<br><br>The guy to the right of him (left to us) is "Retired Major General of State Security Aleksey Kondaurov (The Fifth Department of KGB, FSB, the head of the YUKOS "Security Department")". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Anton Surikov and the 'new left.'

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:33 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He is apparently reinventing himself as "new left". Now where have we heard that before.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>We have our own former NATO Supreme Commander General Wesley Clark who worked with the KLA in the Balkans and is now trying to make the Democratic Party 'more reporting-for-duty than thou.'<br><br>Clark also co-chaired the CIA cut-out called the National Endowment for Democracy recently. The NED has been attacking Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.<br><br>Clark has been quiet about the NSA curfuffle since he personally sold Acxioms's huge data-mining cache to Admiral Poindexter's Total Information Awareness project, a project which has as advisors former KGB and Stasi to Sovietize the USA. <p></p><i></i>
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The Russia Connection

Postby heyjt » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:45 pm

Holy crap guys, check this one out!<br><br> <br>To Russia, Love Tom DeLay<br>Russ Baker <br>January 04, 2006<br><br> <br>Investigative reporter and essayist Russ Baker is a longtime contributor to TomPaine.com. He is the founder of the Real News Project, a new organization dedicated to producing groundbreaking investigative journalism. He can be reached at russ@russbaker.com.<br><br>Once in a very long time, a scandal comes along that seems to capture the essence of our times. I’d say that scandal appeared on Saturday, when most of us were too busy getting out the honkers and the booze to notice.<br><br>Here’s the crux: Was the Republican leader Tom DeLay working on behalf of Russians against the American public interest—and being compensated for it?<br><br>That’s a pretty strong accusation, but unless I read my Washington Post wrong, that is exactly what was alleged in a front page story that appeared on Saturday, the last day of 2005, and therefore may escape proper notice. The article is even easier to miss because of the mundane “more of the same” headline above it: " The DeLay-Abramoff Money Trail : Nonprofit Group Linked to Lawmaker Was Funded Mostly by Clients of Lobbyist."<br><br>First, some background. Tuesday, as the world knows by now, Jack Abramoff, the powerful Republican lobbyist and major DeLay associate, pleaded guilty to conspiracy, fraud and tax evasion charges, agreeing to cooperate in a federal corruption probe in Washington. He faces up to 11 years in federal prison and must pay $26.7 million in restitution.<br><br>For many months, we’ve been hearing stories about Abramoff’s shakedowns and indiscreet e-mails mocking Indian tribal leaders and other outrages, many of them with DeLay at the periphery or more directly involved.<br><br>The problem with these stories—which range from machinations over gambling licenses and Pacific island sweatshops to golfing junkets in Scotland—is that they are complicated, seemingly obscure and center on figures like Abramoff, who, while important, is merely an enabler of a larger and more troubling reality: How Republicans inside and outside of the Congress are subverting democracy itself, with public funds going to advance the personal interests of a small set of powerful Americans.<br><br>The figures that really matter in this story are bigger fish—among them DeLay, the architect and de facto leader of the corporate takeover of Congress under cover of a social revolution.<br><br>That’s why the Post story should be one of the biggest stories of the new year, even if it got lost on the last day of the old one. It needed to be published on another day, and it needed to be told differently. So, here’s a stab at capturing what I see as most important about it.<br><br>Cumulatively, a careful reader comes away with the following conclusion: DeLay was essentially being bribed by Russians. Specifically, a phony nonprofit set up by DeLay’s former top aide was used to transfer monies from powerful Russians to DeLay, in return for his influencing legislation that could direct U.S. taxpayer money into their pockets. The Russians, working through super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, put up most of the $2.5 million “contributions” that funneled through the outfit.<br><br>DeLay got free international trips and fancy free office space in a secret townhouse, and his wife got paid a sizable monthly salary for doing nothing. Meantime, the nonprofit presented itself to the public as devoted to promoting family values, and ran ads attacking Democrats.<br><br>Monies were passed from Russian oil and gas executives working with Abramoff through a now-defunct London law firm and an obscure Bahamian company into an outfit, set up by former DeLay Chief of Staff Ed Buckham, masquerading as a grassroots advocacy group on family values. The group, the U.S. Family Network, existed for five years, but apparently did little or nothing on family issues, though it actually had the temerity to send out fundraising letters to the public, warning that “the American family is under attack from all sides: crime, drugs, pornography, and… gambling.” It also paid for ads attacking vulnerable Democratic candidates.<br><br>But what it was really doing, according to the article, was influencing DeLay to support legislation favorable to wealthy Russians—with the bill paid for by American taxpayers. DeLay traveled to Moscow in 1997 and spent time with the Russians, though he claimed to the House clerk that another nonprofit paid for it and that he was in that country to “meet with religious leaders there.” <br><br>Probably the most incendiary material in the Post story was buried, beginning in paragraph 32. The former president of the U.S. Family Network, a pastor no less, actually says that Buckham explained to him in 1999 that a $1 million payment passed through to the organization was intended specifically to influence DeLay's 1998 vote on a bill that enabled the International Monetary Fund to use U.S. taxpayer monies, in part, to bail out the Russian economy and specific wealthy Russian investors involved with the scheme.<br><br>"Ed told me, 'This is the way things work in Washington,' " [Pastor Christopher] Geeslin said. "He said the Russians wanted to give the money first in cash." Buckham, he said, orchestrated all the group's fundraising and spending and rarely informed the board about the details.<br><br>Tom DeLay and his cronies appear to have been accepting what amounted to bribes from Russians with connections to the Yeltsin-Putin regimes who wanted U.S. taxpayer monies to keep flowing to benefit them. They laundered the money, and, worse, did it through a nonprofit organization, which, in turn, claimed to be established to fight the decline in moral standards in America. Even more appalling, while this phony charity was doing this mercenary work, it was hitting up naïve members of DeLay’s political base for contributions.<br><br>The fine print is equally tawdry. Mrs. DeLay’s salary of “at least $3,200 each month for three of the years the group existed” (that’s a total of at least $115,200) was supposedly in compensation for supplying Buckham with a list of "lawmakers’ favorite charities." The Post mentions this only briefly, and with a straight face. But the transparent ridiculousness of this on so many levels offers a bounty for journalists who pursue it.<br><br>How better to capture the brazen hypocrisy of all this than through tabloid-style headlines:<br><br>Revenue from the phony ‘family’ charity was used to finance radio ads attacking vulnerable Democratic lawmakers. So, let’s see:"Putin Buddies Paid For Attacks On Dems"<br>Other funds went to finance the cash purchase of a townhouse near DeLay’s congressional office. DeLay’s guys called it “the Safe House.” So, maybe this headline: “Russian Cash Bought DeLay Safe House”<br>The point man for this, DeLay’s former aide Buckham, had been executive director of the Republican Study Committee, a group of ‘fiscally conservative’ House members. Headline: “Fiscal Conservatives Give U.S. Money To Rich Russians”<br>The Russian angle is especially important, as recent developments show a growing clampdown by Putin on democracy in Russia—from arrests of political opponents to curtailment of the press—along with blatant attempts to intimidate former Soviet republics like Ukraine. This puts the so-called freedom-loving GOP leadership in bed with the least savory of the holdover Communists.<br><br>There will be many developments in the weeks ahead, now that Abramoff has cut a deal with the feds. When he begins his promised cooperation with the prosecution, he may have things to say about many other matters, including the U.S. Family Network.<br><br>But it’s important in these overwhelming times to stay focused. Ultimately, these cases are not about Jack Abramoff, a fellow most of us never even heard of until fairly recently. They are about what has happened to this country. Put simply, the American people were taken to the cleaners by a group of charlatans in the guise of faith healers who didn’t even believe in their own product.<br><br>I doubt The Washington Post would give front page play to such a story—or have assigned a reporter with experience covering national security—if this was not the big one.<br><br>Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to RussiaGate?<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Russia Connection

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:01 am

Good catch! <br>Obviously the elite in the US and Russia are allied and screwing the rest of us.<br><br>Lets spell this out clearly at other boards and nail the GOP crooks hard.<br><br><br>International cabals indeed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Russia Connection

Postby Iroquois » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:21 am

My thoughts...<br><br>The Soviet Union collapsed right on que. Afghanistan was merely the cover story, not the reason. The real scoop, I am certain, was that it was an inside job. The wealthpowerful mafia kings saw the writing on the wall and opened the gates to the criminal syndicates on the outside, and the Soviet economy was ransacked.<br><br>Putin's policies are attempts to wrestle control of the Russian economy and its natural resources back from those criminals and their foreign allies and protect remaining provinces from variations of the color-revolutions. Is he a saint? I highly doubt it. Will the Russian people prosper from his actions? Ditto. But, at least there's a chance, and they are certainly due at least that much.<br><br><br>I look forward to hearing more about the content of that book in your posts, Qutb. I wish I had the time to read it myself, but I have a pretty long reading list in front of me as it is and precious little time. <p></p><i></i>
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RussiaGate

Postby ewastud » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:35 am

My concern for the past several months has been that perhaps the same dark forces that helped create the collapse of the Soviet Union might be scheming to do the same to the USA -- to ultimately take control of our most valuable assets and busnesses for themselves, like the Russian (mostly Jewish) mafia did in the former Soviet Union. The American people might end up in the same impoverished, impotent, and dire straits as the Russian people if this scheme is not put an end to (assumung this analysis is true). <p></p><i></i>
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Eurasia

Postby albion » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:07 am

Thanks for the links Qutb, the left.ru/burstev stuff looks especially interesting. I haven't read PDS's article yet, only the verse introduction (I love that he does that). I'm looking forward to his new book. <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; who rules the Heartland commands the World Island; who rules the World Island commands the world."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> - Sir Halford Mackinder <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=albion@rigorousintuition>albion</A> at: 1/5/06 2:07 am<br></i>
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Russia Connection

Postby heyjt » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:33 am

So PDS says there is an "x force" out there that may be composed of Russian oligarcs and American neocons.<br> Then the Russell Baker piece says basicly Abramhoff and Delay are being paid off by the Russian mob,<br> So have we been so off-track that we have ignored the "organized crime" theory; an extra-governmental secular (non-esoteric) mafia that operates purely on crime,terror and profit motive? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Russia Connection

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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The Soviet Union collapsed right on que. Afghanistan was merely the cover story, not the reason. The real scoop, I am certain, was that it was an inside job. The wealthpowerful mafia kings saw the writing on the wall and opened the gates to the criminal syndicates on the outside, and the Soviet economy was ransacked."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.russians.org/williamson_testimony.htm">The Rape of Russia</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The following is Anne Williamson's testimony before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the U.S. House of Representatives, presented Sept. 21, 1999.<br><br> It shows how the historic opportunity given the U.S. to help transform Russia into a free, peaceful, pro-Western country was squandered in the form of a bruising economic rape carried out by corrupt Russian politicians and businessmen, assisted by Bush and (especially) Clinton administrations engaged in political payoffs to Wall Street bankers and others, and by ineptitude and greed on the part of the U.S. Treasury and the Harvard Institute for International Development, assisted by fellow travelers and manipulators at Nordex, the IMF, the World Bank, and the Federal Reserve.<br><br>The losers were the Russian people and (mainly) U.S. tax-payers.<br><br>And the winners? Ms. Williamson names names, and that's why the elite media has shut out her book. She indicates their heroes are thieves, and they are afraid she may be right."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Russia Connection

Postby Qutb » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:39 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So PDS says there is an "x force" out there that may be composed of Russian oligarcs and American neocons.<br>Then the Russell Baker piece says basicly Abramhoff and Delay are being paid off by the Russian mob,<br>So have we been so off-track that we have ignored the "organized crime" theory; an extra-governmental secular (non-esoteric) mafia that operates purely on crime,terror and profit motive?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's how I tend to see it. Like the Sopranos with cruise missiles. <br><br>Beyond that, I think it's futile to look for the Big Conspiracy or a Global Conspiracy Central Command (the Illuminati, the Council of 3 or 10 or 300 or whatever). I think what we have is several agendas with only partial overlap, such as corporate globalization, Saudi financial colonization of the Muslim world, control of natural resources, etc. I'm sure alliances between "meta-groups" are mostly pragmatic in nature. The significance of "force X", as I understand it, is that their control of the drug trade (Colombian coke and Afghan heroin, at least) gives them a lot of power which can be used to manipulate other groups and governments. They have their own "agenda" as well, which is to perpetuate conflicts in strategically important areas (the Caucasus, the Balkans, Iraq, Colombia) and create mob-controlled "state shells" with no effective central government to impede drugs, weapons and human trafficking.<br><br>Their motivations I guess are pretty banal: wealth and power.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>composed of Russian oligarcs and American neocons<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's not precisely how I understand the composition of Scott's "force X". There seems to be three main companents:<br><br> - A faction of the Russian military (including the chief of the general staff?) allied with certain oligarchs that are hostile to Putin, notably Boris Berezovsky (and Mikhail Khodorkovsky of YUKOS, but he's in jail)<br><br> - Saudi Arabian intelligence and wealthy "Gulf Arabs" like Adnan Khashoggi, and Saudi-connected Islamists like Ruslan Saidov and Shamil Basaev, who have "business ties" to "al-Qa'ida"<br><br> - Halliburton, the Bush family (Neil seems to be most directly involved, Berezovsky being a shareholder in his software company), and associated "private military companies" (most of those are British and South African, but I'm pretty sure DynCorp and Blackwater figure prominently here, and the "CIA spin-off" Diligence LLC was mentioned)<br><br>Then there are "money launderers" like Davidovich and Kosman, at least the latter seems to have a connection to Israel as well.<br><br>Hugh - bingo on Clark. <br><br>Great catch on Tom DeLay's Russian friends (don't remember who posted that). <p></p><i></i>
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