Is Porn Bad for You?

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:52 pm

barracuda wrote:

Nordic wrote:
If you ask me, Kim Kardashian is a simple prostitute.

When her sex tape came out, Kardashian filed an invasion of privacy suit against Vivid Entertainment, and she eventually settled for an estimated five million dollars and prevented the further distribution of the tape by Vivid. Of course the fact that she is the daughter of one of the most famous attorneys on the planet might have helped her cause, but nonetheless, nothing about the case could easily be described as "simple".


Slightly complicated prostitute then? I viewed the tape along time ago (in the name of research of course) and thought it was one of the least spontaneous, most phony feeling intimate acts ever put to film for obvious other reasons. I don't doubt they were in a relationship when it was filmed, but the tape should have been titled; The Kim K and Ray J Sex Tape, "A Means To An End"
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:58 pm

I still don't know who Kim Kardashian is.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:21 pm

Gets stranger and stranger with Fishburne's daughter. She got busted trying to prostitute herself last
year?

How about the lead in sentence below?

Montana Fishburne explains what led to porn

For Montana Fishburne, losing her virginity was a little like choosing the red pill in "The Matrix." Once she tasted the body, she could never go back.

Lawrence Fishburne's wayward 18-year-old daughter is opening up about her first-ever foray into the world of porn, telling E! News in an exclusive interview that she viewed making her own X-rated tape as liberating.

"I'd say about 16. I lost my virginity and the whole sexual world sparked my interest," Fishburne tells E! News anchor Giuliana Rancic.

And while she said she can see how Kim Kardashian's sex tape launched the reality star's career even though Kim didn't want it released, the difference is Montana really does want to do porn, not just to break into showbiz but because she really likes it.

"I think it was just wanting to explore sexuality," she added. "Cause I know it's such a big world I was just like, wow, well since I like sex ... I wanted to see everything that I would like, every kind of fantasy I would like and porn is a way that I could explore that."

Fishburne's reportedly not a total stranger to commercialized sex. Last year, the aspiring adult film star was busted for allegedly prostituting herself but reportedly cut a deal with prosecutors who dropped solicitation and prostitution charges in exchange for her pleading no contest to misdemeanor criminal trespass and entering a work-alternative program.

It would seem porn's a better (not to mention safer) bet career-wise.

Fishburne's adult video debut, aptly titled "Montana Fishburne," is being released by Vivid Entertainment later this month.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:48 pm

Okay, do I have to be the first to ask what sort of ordeals she's been through that led to this?
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby semper occultus » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:41 am

Why more and more women are using pornography
Increasing numbers of women admit to being hooked on internet porn.
Why is this happening, and where are they finding help?

Tanith Carey , Thursday 7 April 2011 21.00

guardian.co.uk

It was an ordinary weekday morning when Caroline first noticed how much pornography was taking over her life. With 15 minutes to go before she was due to leave for a job interview, she opened up her laptop to print off an extra copy of her CV and there, onscreen, was a grab she'd saved from pornhub.com.

"I remember the feeling of being sucked in, really wanting that two-minute fix, that numbness I got when I used porn," says Caroline. "I was stressed out, and I risked being late for my interview, but I pressed play anyway and fast-forwarded it to the bit I wanted. It took two minutes." But the relief was to be short-lived. "Afterwards I just hated myself for giving in and getting off on images that treated women like pieces of meat. But I kept going back."

Although there is much debate about whether "porn addiction" even exists, Caroline, a 21-year-old English graduate, has just finished seeing a sex addiction therapist to help get her porn habit under control. Having started watching porn out of curiosity when it became available over the internet in her mid-teens, she and her mates used it as a graphic form of sex education. She saw nothing wrong with it, particularly as she was raised in a generation of girls for whom it was seen as hip and liberated to enjoy watching sex.

Then, as she entered a depressed job market after university, it became a form of escape, a default she turned to whenever she felt anxious or bored. "I'd be stuck at home in front of my laptop on my own all day. I'd wake up with all these ideas for the day – and end up surfing for porn, trying to distract myself, eating and then going back for more porn. No one would ever have known. But I didn't get much done. It was like a constant battle between my sexual urges and my self-control. I'd think to myself: 'It's not doing any harm.' But then I started to loathe myself for giving in and wasting so much time on it."

Caroline is not alone. While it's accepted that women are watching – and enjoying – porn more and more, it's less recognised that some are also finding it hard to stop. At Quit Porn Addiction, the UK's main porn counselling service, almost one in three clients are women struggling with their own porn use, says founder and counsellor Jason Dean. Two years ago, there were none.
While more than six out of 10 women say they view web porn, one study in 2006 by the Internet Filter Review found that 17% of women describe themselves as "addicted".

Dean says: "I remember getting my first woman contacts about two years ago and thinking that was fairly unusual. Now I'm hearing from about 70 women a year who are coming for their own reasons, not because their male partners have a problem."

There is little difference in the way the genders become hooked, says Jason. There is the same pattern of exposure, addiction, and desensitisation to increasingly hardcore images. The main contrast between male and female porn addicts is how much more guilty women feel. "Porn addiction is seen as a man's problem – and therefore not acceptable for women," says Dean. "There's a real sense among women that it's bad, dirty, wrong and they're often unable to get beyond that."

Orgasm releases a dopamine-oxytocin high that has been compared to a heroin hit, and many regular users of internet porn report experiencing an almost trance-like effect that not only makes them feel oblivious to the world, but also gives them a sense of power that they don't have in real life. "The PC becomes an erogenous zone. The more you keep trying to put porn out of your mind, the more it keeps popping back in. The brain then learns that porn is the only way to cope with anxiety."

Yet, what strikes you on the porn addiction websites is the real sense of despair and loneliness for the women who get caught up in it – and how early it starts. Many talk of a problem dating back to their early teens, before they've even had a relationship.

One 19-year-old college student writes: "It started seriously when I was about 14, I stumbled across some pictures while doing homework. Because all I had typed into Google was 'cream and sugar', I knew my parents wouldn't notice. I learnt all the ways round the parental controls, meticulously deleted my activities on the history and deleted the search engine entries every time."

Psychotherapist Phillip Hodson, of the British Association of Counselling and Psychotherapy, says that in consulting rooms, the issue of woman habitually using porn "is something that has not been aired before. It's something new that's just beginning to surface . . . Traditionally women's voices have been against porn. It's seen as more of a male thing, because it's men who are supposed to be visually stimulated. But that doesn't mean that women aren't. Men are just maybe more so."

Women who become regular users can suffer depression and low self-esteem because it can be hard to reconcile their enjoyment of porn with their intellectual dislike of seeing women used as sex objects. "Porn has an instant effect on the human body and mind and the psyche, even if you disapprove of what you are seeing . . . So women may find their body is saying yes, even though their mind may be saying no – and that can be upsetting."

But as porn becomes more pervasive, Hodson observes that women are now also using it as a quick way to have sex without emotional investment, just as men traditionally have. "For women, just as for men, the internet is able to satisfy that need in rather a raw, crude sense, quickly and easily. Why serenade someone and go through all the courtship rituals with another person when you have Google?"

But it's important not to turn lone use of porn into a catastrophe, adds Hodson. For many women, it's a phase that will pass – either because they take stock, they realise it's becoming a problem, it becomes boring – or their life fills up again with better alternatives.

"I have a problem with the word addiction," he says. "Sex is a very natural function – and what is an abnormal level of sex to have or to want? If a woman is taking two minutes to orgasm to porn, and she's doing it, say, 10 times a day, that's still only 20 minutes a day.

"But if porn does become a habit that interferes in other areas, it might be an opportunity to take stock and realise there's not enough happening in your life. Forgive yourself for being tempted and having a few orgasms. If it goes beyond that, there are people outside who can help."


The first support group in the US run for women by women was founded by Crystal Renaud, who also wrote a new book on women's addiction to porn, called Dirty Girls Come Clean.

A committed Christian, she first came across porn at the age of 11 in a magazine that belonged to her brother, and was addicted for eight years before she got her wake-up call when she arranged an anonymous hook-up with a man she met over the net. Renaud recalls: "I had no friends. No passions. I had one mission and purpose in my life: pornography. Any way I could find it, I would. It didn't matter where I was or what I was doing. Home, school, my friend's houses, summer camp and yes, even church: my addiction came too.

"Porn. Masturbation. Cybersex. Webcam sex. Phone sex. Anything you could think up, I watched, experienced and enjoyed. No matter how many times I said I would stop, I would just keep doing it."

As a trained counsellor, Renaud now calls women's addiction to pornography "widespread and silent". In almost every case, the women she meets believe they are the only ones ever to have struggled with the issue. "Porn and sexual addiction has always been referred to as a man's problem," says Renaud. "But for women it's an unspoken struggle. We have to give them the opportunity to say: 'Me too.'"
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:23 am

"I have a problem with the word addiction," he says. "Sex is a very natural function – and what is an abnormal level of sex to have or to want? If a woman is taking two minutes to orgasm to porn, and she's doing it, say, 10 times a day, that's still only 20 minutes a day.


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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:02 pm

What a dumbo article.

semper occultus wrote:Women who become regular users can suffer depression and low self-esteem because it can be hard to reconcile their enjoyment of porn with their intellectual dislike of seeing women used as sex objects. "Porn has an instant effect on the human body and mind and the psyche, even if you disapprove of what you are seeing . . . So women may find their body is saying yes, even though their mind may be saying no – and that can be upsetting."


What percentage of porn is really like that though? Not one of my ex-girlfriends watched abusive, objective porn, and yet they all somehow managed to enjoy it (on their own!).

semper occultus wrote:But it's important not to turn lone use of porn into a catastrophe, adds Hodson. For many women, it's a phase that will pass – either because they take stock, they realise it's becoming a problem, it becomes boring – or their life fills up again with better alternatives.


Hodson, you can't just make stuff up because you want to see it in print in the Guardian.

semper occultus wrote:The first support group in the US run for women by women was founded by Crystal Renaud, who also wrote a new book on women's addiction to porn, called Dirty Girls Come Clean.


It just sounds to me like some people are trying to make money, and using an easily-shamed demographic to do it.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:34 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:I still don't know who Kim Kardashian is.


Yes! Neither do I! Do you realize how cool we must be? Because this isn't the old days, when just being old and slow and out of touch with celebrity nonsense could possibly insulate you because they didn't have TVs in elevators and gun-phones and pop-ups. Because there are so many more vectors now chanelling the bullshit to your mind. But I'm even cooler, cos I'm managing not to know who Kim Kardashian is not like you, in some Australian desert with dial-up, but smack in the middle of New York City! Ha! (I didn't know who Britney Spears was until 2005, by the way.) Of course, it's likely she's one of the ones who isn't actually anyone at all, like Paris Hilton or whatever. So merely knowing her name is already the whole story. We've been assimilated after all. Oh, well.

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Nordic » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:23 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:I still don't know who Kim Kardashian is.


Yes! Neither do I! Do you realize how cool we must be? Because this isn't the old days, when just being old and slow and out of touch with celebrity nonsense could possibly insulate you because they didn't have TVs in elevators and gun-phones and pop-ups. Because there are so many more vectors now chanelling the bullshit to your mind. But I'm even cooler, cos I'm managing not to know who Kim Kardashian is not like you, in some Australian desert with dial-up, but smack in the middle of New York City! Ha! (I didn't know who Britney Spears was until 2005, by the way.) Of course, it's likely she's one of the ones who isn't actually anyone at all, like Paris Hilton or whatever. So merely knowing her name is already the whole story. We've been assimilated after all. Oh, well.

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Jack, do you not have any women in your life? Because with women, Kim Kardashian, and the Kardashian sisters, are like Marilyn Monroe of our times. Girls and women almost all watch those shows, especially teenagers!! Talk about a sick role model. I've had to tell my girl over and over that the Kardashians are NOT role models. My wife has tutored some high school girls who worship Kim K. Which is seriously fucked up.

Even my wife, who is a serious poet who shuns the mainstream and media in general, finds herself watching that stupid damn show when she wants to veg out and empty out her mind. I guess watching a vacuous rich bimbo gives you a contact high or something.

When the show about her sister, Chloe, and Lakers start Lamar Odom premiered the other night, I had three teenage girls and a Mom all sitting on my sofa, watching it like it was the Playoffs of something.

Jack, you really need to meet some women. :)
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:53 pm

Nordic wrote:Jack, do you not have any women in your life? Because with women, Kim Kardashian, and the Kardashian sisters, are like Marilyn Monroe of our times. Girls and women almost all watch those shows, especially teenagers!! Talk about a sick role model. I've had to tell my girl over and over that the Kardashians are NOT role models. My wife has tutored some high school girls who worship Kim K. Which is seriously fucked up.

Even my wife, who is a serious poet who shuns the mainstream and media in general, finds herself watching that stupid damn show when she wants to veg out and empty out her mind. I guess watching a vacuous rich bimbo gives you a contact high or something.

When the show about her sister, Chloe, and Lakers start Lamar Odom premiered the other night, I had three teenage girls and a Mom all sitting on my sofa, watching it like it was the Playoffs of something.

Jack, you really need to meet some women. :)


Hm, maybe you need to meet the women I do indeed have in my life, who also do not know who Kim Kardashian is. (I just asked the number one a minute ago, and she doesn't. And she's edumacated and everything.)

Also, you should take this post of yours over to the Misogyny thread. I hear it needs a good "livening up."

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Nordic » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:08 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Nordic wrote:Jack, do you not have any women in your life? Because with women, Kim Kardashian, and the Kardashian sisters, are like Marilyn Monroe of our times. Girls and women almost all watch those shows, especially teenagers!! Talk about a sick role model. I've had to tell my girl over and over that the Kardashians are NOT role models. My wife has tutored some high school girls who worship Kim K. Which is seriously fucked up.

Even my wife, who is a serious poet who shuns the mainstream and media in general, finds herself watching that stupid damn show when she wants to veg out and empty out her mind. I guess watching a vacuous rich bimbo gives you a contact high or something.

When the show about her sister, Chloe, and Lakers start Lamar Odom premiered the other night, I had three teenage girls and a Mom all sitting on my sofa, watching it like it was the Playoffs of something.

Jack, you really need to meet some women. :)


Hm, maybe you need to meet the women I do indeed have in my life, who also do not know who Kim Kardashian is. (I just asked the number one a minute ago, and she doesn't. And she's edumacated and everything.)

Also, you should take this post of yours over to the Misogyny thread. I hear it needs a good "livening up."

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Hey, I was just teasing you. Or actually not, I think I was more teasing the women in my life! I do NOT understand why they watch this crap. But the high school girls are all into it, pretty ubiquituously as far as I can tell.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:51 pm

Nordic wrote:Hey, I was just teasing you. Or actually not, I think I was more teasing the women in my life! I do NOT understand why they watch this crap. But the high school girls are all into it, pretty ubiquituously as far as I can tell.


I don't know if it is my age or because I still watch some TV, but the shows they play these days are based on crazy premises.

"Life of An American Teenager"....and the plot for the show (based on commercials for it), are circling around sex, marriage, and drama. Not being that far removed from HS there is some realism associated with those acts, but the extrapolation is farfetched. Another one I believe is "Pretty Little Liars". Of course for the older generation there is the bachelor/bachelorette and desperate housewives. For the young adults my age (23), Jersey Shore or the Real World shows.

Something for everyone. All centered around "human drama". Also, many of these shows point in the direction of promiscuity. Sex is alluded to and applauded in these new round of shows. Teen pregnancy is shown as something common (in my school of 4,000 I knew of 4 girls who were pregnant in my 4 years there). All in all I'm in the same boat as you Nordic...I don't really understand how people watch these shows. I can't even be in the same room as someone else watching these shows, I get frustrated and start grinding my teeth, which I just caught myself doing just typing about this lol.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:16 pm

If it's any consolation I've never watched any of those. They're anything but reality anyway and they only appeal to people's drama addiction. I guess it's a guilty pleasure for some. Several years ago I got tired of hearing others talk about these celebrities I'd never heard of so I started checking out Perez Hilton just so I'd know what the hell they were talking about. I have my guilty pleasures, too, and never miss an episode of Intervention or Hoarders. I like to believe I'm learning something about human nature.

It's disappointing to me that kids look up to celebs instead of people who try to make the world a better place. They're not learning anything from these cardboard cut-outs.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:32 pm

Pele'sDaughter wrote:It's disappointing to me that kids look up to celebs instead of people who try to make the world a better place. They're not learning anything from these cardboard cut-outs.



BOOM!

I remember watching the documentary "Star Suckers", in the very beginning they did a study on elementary school children in regards to if they want to be "famous". I don't remember the exact statistics, but pretty much in the last 20-30 years the percentage of students who wanted to be famous went from less than 30% to more than 95%.
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