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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:33 am

norton ash wrote:Tiny steps, Fresno. Trying to keep my head from being totally done in, y'know?


Yeah, I hear you, but don't set yourself up for disappointment. The NDP are the Washington Generals of Canadian politics.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:24 am

I remember Ontario 1990. (Never mind for electoral purposes that a Liberal in orange clothing squandered all that.) And right now, this is feeling more like that than anything since.

We'll know better when we see some polls done since the surge, after voters have had a chance to see what's happening. Does it sober them up and scare them off or encourage them to have another pint? I'm always prepared to be disappointed when it comes to NDP gains, but I believe many Canadians have been waiting for this moment and are ready for it. Quebec answered their No, you first challenge, and now it's their turn.

But - we'll see.

FWIW, Elly Alboim (former Liberal worker, former CBC-TV Parliamentary bureau chief, journalism prof): "So … what to make of this week’s NDP numbers?"

More often than not, these sorts of break outs cannot be reversed.

Often, the final results overshoot the initial wave.

The numbers don’t lie.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:41 pm

Election Panel: What does an NDP surge mean for the election?

National Post Apr 22, 2011 – 12:19 PM ET

Scott Reid: Sit up and pay attention. This is an enormous event.

When news broke late Wednesday that the NDP has surged to top spot in Quebec, according to one poll — and drawn even with the Liberals nationwide, according to another — all lingering doubt was erased.

Jack Layton’s momentum is real. It is accumulating. And it will be the principal agent that affects the final days of this election.

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What cannot be said of this moment is that it is typical. The NDP have turned this into an historic election. A government will be lost. A sovereignty movement set back. A great institution humbled. Or an unprecedented possibility squandered.

In these few remaining days, great and lasting choices will be taken.


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:27 pm

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby American Dream » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:15 am

I have mixed feelings about this article's presentation but worth posting just the same:

Stephen Harper linked to Nazi intellectuals and Christian fundamentalists suggests Trevor Harrison’s book

The Conservative Party’s hidden agenda to support a pro Big Business, and an oppressive anti-democratic agenda

By Dr. Debra Chin | The Canadian


Mr. Harrison documents in the book entitled Of Passionate Intensity, that Prime Minister Stephen Harper was a member of the ultra-right wing Northern Foundation in 1989. Mr. Harrison documents that this Foundation was comprised of Neo-Nazi social Darwinist intellectuals.

Stephen Harper was Reform Party Policy chief, at a time when it had numerous members of the white supremacist group Heritage Front as members. Trevor Harrison, further documents that Mr. Harper even had Heritage Front members doing security for Preston Manning at Reform Party events in Ontario. The Reform Party would evolve into the Alliance Party of Canada, which sought to take over the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada (PC Party) toward the formation of the “Conservative Party of Canada”. The taking over of the PC Party was sought to provide legitimacy to a movement that was largely continued to be perceived a fringe group from Alberta. However, the current Conservative Party is still apparently governed by the same fringe Reform Party mentality, which in turn is linked with the architects of the far right Northern Foundation.

When Stephen Harper was a member of the ultra-right-wing Northern Foundation in 1989, Mr. Harrison documents that this was a group that had numerous Neo-Nazi skinheads as organizers, as well as a leadership that included a well-known white supremacist and anti-feminist crusader as a prominent leader that sought to take over the mass-media to enable the fulfillment of a right wing agenda. The Northern Foundation, with the support of corporate allies was able to get Mr. Harper elected in the first place by indeed, taking over the mass-media in Canada. This was done to shelter Mr. Harper from the kinds of critical journalism which had kept him out of power, in the first place. Corporate mass-media owners would seek to remake Mr. Harper and the Conservative Party from being ultra right, into a fabricated image of a non-threatening “moderately conservative” party.

Trevor Harrison also documents that “He [Mr. Harper] had little trouble doing so, as the media had been largely muffled by one fact: press baron Conrad Black, then reaching the height of his powers was also a member of the Northern Foundation and equally shy about having it publicly known.” Mr. Harrison elaborates that, “Journalists feared incurring his wrath as he employed many of them at the time, and was a potential employer for those whom he didn’t employ. Had they made the membership list public, Mr. Black would have been exposed.”

Now that Mr. Harper has been able to seize power by taking over the PC Party (through a breach of contract law), and with the help of, for example, media owners of CanWest Global (that form example, controls many Canadian newspapers including the National Post, and the Ottawa Citizen) who donated money to his political campaigns, the Conservative Party in association with the Northern Foundation now seeks to focus on the fulfillment of an NWO agenda.

Complaining of “socialist/progressive thinking”, and a media/political system controlled by ‘lib/left’ elites, who had been ‘able to impose their agenda on the Canadian people because “small-’c’ conservatives” had been divided. Mr. Harrison further documents that the Northern Foundation was the creation of a number of generally extreme right-wing conservatives, including Anne Hartmann (a director of REAL Women), Geoffrey Wasteneys (A long-standing member of the Alliance for the Preservation of English in Canada), George Potter (also a member of the Alliance for the Preservation of English in Canada), author Peter Brimelow, Link Byfield (son of Ted Byfield and himself publisher/president of Alberta Report), and Stephen Harper.

Mr. Harrison, also links former Reform Party leader Preston Manning, who continues to be a leading intellectual of the Conservative Party, right-wing author David Frum (linked to the current U.S. Bush administration), Toronto Sun columnist Peter Worthington and others, as having been affiliated to the Northern Foundation.

The roster of conservative adherents speaking at foundation conferences in 1989, 1990 and 1992 is equally instructive, further to Mr. Harrison’s very detailed documentation. Among speakers were Dr Walter Block (the Fraser Institute), Ed Vanwoudenberg (leader of the Christian Heritage party), Lubor Zink (an extreme right-wing columnist with the Sun chain), Dr. John Whitehall (of the Canadian Christian Anti-Communist Crusade), Ron Leitch (president of the Alliance for the Preservation of English in Canada), Gwen Landolt (founder of the right wing organization REAL Women), Ken Campbell (founder of Renaissance Canada), Paul Fromm (former member of the Western Guard, a neo-fascist group, and later of CFAR), and author William Gairdner. The Foundation’s quarterly, The Northern Voice, had sought to regularly provide advertising space for these same individuals, their fascistic visions, and their related organizations.

Ostensibly, therefore, the Northern Foundation has sought to be a vehicle for bringing together several disparate right-wing groups and otherwise for disseminating a Neo-Nazi ideology. Significantly, it also had cultivated substantial connections to the Reform Party, which would eventually evolve into the current Conservative Party of Canada.

Mr. Harrison also documents, that the Reform Party under the watchful eye of Preston Manning and Stephen Harper, housed former Neo-Nazi Western Guard (an infamous Toronto-area hate group launched in the 1960’s) members like Leigh Smith, and Wolfgang Droege. Mr. Droege had gone on to form Heritage Front and brought other members of that group into the Reform Party and eventual Conservative Party political interests.

More on the makings of the Northern Foundation
The Northern Foundation’s president was Rita Ann Hartmann, widow of former Western Guard radical Paul Hartmann. Ms. Hartmann had moved to Ottawa in 1987 with her six children, two of whom were skinheads who would go on to recruit on behalf of the Heritage Front in the national capital. The Hartmann family, the Toronto Star elaborates. lived in a huge home at 25 Delaware Avenue, in the well-to-do Golden Triangle neighbourhood. From there, Hartmann maintained connections with Neo-Nazi groups across North America. In March 1990, for example, she wrote to the ultra-violent Confederate Hammerskins of Tulsa, Oklahoma, using an alias she favours, Eleanor Cameron. Out of the same address, Ann Hartmann busied herself with REAL Women of Canada. Ms. Hartmann, who has a law degree from the University of Toronto, provides legal advice to REAL Women. In April 1989, for example, she gave an anti-abortion speech to a REAL Women conference at the Radisson Hotel in Ottawa.

Author, Mr. Harrison also further documents that the Northern Foundation’s inaugural conference was also attended by a well-known Conservative MP; a founder of Alberta Report magazine; a senior representative of the Alliance for the Preservation of English in Canada; and a columnist for the Toronto Sun. Many of those associated with the Northern Foundation would go on to play key roles in the Neo-Nazi Heritage Front. These persons include Steve Dumas, the Foundation’s research officer, who would write a regular column in the Front’s Up Front publication under the pseudonym Steve Baker; Geoff Lupton, who had made an unsuccessful attempt in 1989 to establish a Nationalist Party club at Carleton University and who used the pseudonym Geoff Edwards when working on behalf of the Heritage Front; and Eric (Stilts) Hartmann, son of Paul and Ann, who was moved to pen an anti-abortion editorial for Mr. Droege.

“The Northern Foundation Conference was the start of it all for the Heritage Front,” recalls Droege. “From that point on, things really took off.” So too, did things take-over for Mr. Harper who became Prime Minister of Canada, and leader of a party which has apparently sought to fulfill the agenda of the Northern Foundation. That agenda apparently includes blocking candidates like Mr. Warner, which do not present the ideology of the Northern Foundation, that in turn endorses the U.S. President George Bush administration.

Further links with the neo-con National Citizens’ Coalition (NCC)
“The connections between the National Citizens’ Coalition (NCC) and the Reform Party/Canadian Alliance/Conservative Party go back a long way,” also documents Mr. Harrison. Their political agendas have been virtually identical: so called “deficit reduction” against progressive social policies; restriction of immigration; ending universal social programs; lowering taxes for corporations and high-income earners, and ending universal public healthcare,” further elaborates Mr. Harrison.

Colin Brown, the founder of the NCC, began his conservative crusade in 1967 with a full-page ad in the Globe and Mail attacking the federal Liberal government’s plans for a national medicare scheme. Brown would eventually incorporate the far right National Citizens’ Coalition in 1975.

There are no direct ties between the Conservative Party and the National Citizens’ Coalition. Furthermore, with the former President of the National Citizens’ Coalition as leader of the Conservative Party formal ties, with that organization, would be redundant.

As social Darwinists, Canada’s Neo-Nazi intellectuals believe that society and the world in general, would be strengthened when weaker “mongrel races” accept their “inferiority” and are allowed to perish, without the protection of social policy, like universal public healthcare, and human rights. Neo-Nazis view war i.e. the “War on Terrorism”, as desirable, to create a “warrior society”, and to ensure that the resources of the world are under the direction and exclusive control of “Aryan descendants”. A “warrior society” glorifies militarism and military service to defend against “enemies of society”, which include human rights and social activists.

The Northern Foundation of which Mr. Harper was a member, is a male-dominated and self-anointed “white brotherhood”. Females are not excluded though, provided that they accept its highly conformist and male chauvinistic culture of fascism.

Mr. Harper would eventually “officially” break-away from this group. Indeed, it would be unfair to Mr. Harper, to continually link him ideologically to a group that he may have simply sought to explore, in his process of political exploration and outreach. However, upon closer examination, the substantive policy direction of the Conservative government, appears to be emphatically driven by the expressed agenda of the Northern Foundation. This includes massive cuts to programs aimed, for example, at advancing the status of women; and protecting minorities from institutionalized discrimination.

The Neo-Nazism, that is associated with the Foundation, also ideologically embraces sexual repression; homophobia; and seeks to prevent constructive measures to redress the plight of the poor, which include senior citizens and children.

The apparent goals of the Northern Foundation, through the Harper government, appear to be to replace Canada as we know it, (as a progressive society), into being a regressive society under the U.S. colonial control, under the direction of a self-anointed Aryans. In other words, Mr. Harper appears to be attempting to use public office designed to defend the national interests of all Canadians, to carry out the apparent private agenda of a clique, whose members are determined to transform Canada into their own bleak fascist image under U.S. control.

The support of the Harper government for the undermining of civil rights through the rationalization of the so-called “War on Terrorism”; operates to execute the glorification of militarism and war; messianic Zionism; an apparent bias toward ‘eugenics’ in relation to ignoring the global threat of the HIV-AIDS pandemic, (and the corresponding environmental-related “life and death” issue of Global Warming); and use religion as a means to manipulate the masses. All of these are being conducted to support the desire for Canada to become a U.S. colony through the endorsement of the Security and Prosperity and Partnership of North America (SPPNA); and are all supported by the expressed ideology of the Northern Foundation.

The dropping of Mark Warner in Toronto-Centre encapsulates the apparent Neo-Nazi intellectual foundations of the Conservative Party agenda

The Toronto Star reported on 1 November 2007, that the federal Conservatives under Mr. Harper’s direction ousted 43 year old international trade lawyer Mark Warner because he wanted to advance urban and social justice issues that are at odds with the prevailing Conservative Party ideology. Ousting a candidate who had been a member of the Conservative Party since the Brian Mulroney government, simply because he seeks to affirm human rights inclusive of redressing the plight of the poor and disenfranchised Canadians. is exactly the kind of ideological-motivated course of action that one would expect from a clique still acting to fulfill the vision of the Northern Foundation, as documented by Mr. Harrison.

“We’ve had, for a number of months, a series of differences between our campaign and the national campaign, over the degree to which I could run a campaign that would focus on the kinds of issues that matter in a downtown urban riding,: Mr. Warner had told the Toronto Star.

“Over the objections of leaders of the Toronto Centre riding association, Mr. Warner was removed by the Party’s National Campaign Manager, ” Mr. Warner’s website correspondingly acknowledges. LINK Conservative officials in their apparent desire to advance the ideology of the fascistic Northern Foundation, had sought to “actively resist Mr. Warner’s emphasis on housing, health care and cities issues.

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:45 pm

Calgary isn't only Harper's hometown, it's also a magnet for Canadian neo-Nazis.

The mayor of Calgary says an internet offer by a white supremacist group to help pay the rent of new members willing to relocate to the city is "distasteful."

Under a posting titled "White Nationlist Relocation Program — Destination Calgary" on an online forum earlier this month, a member of Calgary's neo-Nazi Aryan Guard invited people to move to the city.

"The Aryan Guard is always seeking new brothers and sisters, if you are interested in relocating to our Calgary area, we will pay the damage deposit for your residence," wrote someone nicknamed "pitbull-A.G." on stormfront.org, a forum that promotes "white pride worldwide."

"We believe that through fortifying our current locations with more White Nationlists we can spread the world more efficiently and than in the future branch out further throughout Canada."


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:40 pm

Unheard of headline: "Harper warns of NDP-led coalition." The Calgary Herald: "Fright night - NDP-led coalition is a scary thought." And a UPI wire story: "Days before Canada's federal election, a surge in poll popularity for the socialist party has triggered attack ads by the two most prominent parties."


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:40 pm

NDP-led coalition! I like it! There is another unheard of headline I'm waiting to see, though. :) (not going to say it out loud tho)

-- I know a person - An over 80-year-old lifelong liberal and today he asked me, "Have you switched?" I never said I was voting Liberal, and being that I have two NDP signs on my lawn I had to think for a minute as to what he might have meant. It dawned on me all of a sudden, so I said: "NDP?" He nodded. "Yes," I told him. Unbelievable music to my ears followed:
"Me too!"

It was a wow moment.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby DrVolin » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:44 pm

I just hope there's a bit of fire with all that smoke.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby stoneonstone » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:17 pm

DrVolin wrote:I just hope there's a bit of fire with all that smoke.


We'll see.

I just hope they don't fucking let Bob Rae take out a membership again...
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:44 pm

New poll today from Environics (and 2008 election results):

CON 39 (38)
NDP 25 (18)
LIB 22 (26)
BQ 7 (8)
GRN 6 (7)
OTH 1 (1)

In Quebec, we have seen massive change over the past week. Support for the NDP has surged to 41 percent (up 15 points), while support for the Bloc Québécois has declined to 28 percent (down nine points). Both the Liberals (15%, up one point) and Conservatives (12%, down six points) lag further behind.


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:35 pm

stoneonstone wrote:
DrVolin wrote:I just hope there's a bit of fire with all that smoke.


We'll see.

I just hope they don't fucking let Bob Rae take out a membership again...


Oh FFS...

learn a little about the mess Bob Rae not only inherited but also had to labour under.. remember Mulroney and all that NAFTA & GST shit?
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Another poll, this time Ekos. Look at this:

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The NDP has steamrolled over the Liberal Party to land in second place nationally behind the front-running Conservatives, a new poll shows.

The EKOS-iPolitics survey of more than 3,000 Canadians finds 28 per cent of decided voters now support the NDP, compared to 23.7 per cent who plan to vote Liberal. The Conservatives hold less than a six-point lead, sitting with 33.7 per cent support with just one week to go before election day.

Pollster Frank Graves calls it an unprecedented turn and “astonishing shift” for the NDP, which has traditionally trailed the two other main federal parties. Leader Jack Layton is climbing most dramatically in Quebec, but building momentum in all regions of the country.

“We have seen almost from Day One a slow, steady and now a dramatic rise where the NDP has gone from 14 points in a pre-writ poll to 28 points,” Graves said. “That is a doubling — I’ve never seen anything close to that.”

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The EKOS poll surveyed 3,004 adult Canadians, including 2,783 decided voters, between April 22 and April 24, 2011. Results are considered accurate within plus or minus 1.8 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.


http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/25/ndp-leap ... ign-twist/

EKOS seat projection:

CON: 131
NDP: 100
LIB: 61
BQ: 14
IND: 1

I'm frankly verklempt.


ORANGE CRUSH: ARE JACK LAYTON AND THE NDP REDRAWING THE BOUNDARIES OF CANADA’S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE? - April 25, 2011

[Ottawa – April 25, 2011] – After several years in a political rut characterized by trench warfare between the Conservatives and the Liberals, Jack Layton and his NDP party appear poised to reshape Canada’s political landscape. With all the necessary provisos and caveats about weekends and how things can still change, we are reporting the results of over 3,000 cases collected from Friday to Sunday which suggest an astonishing shift in the voter landscape from the outset of this campaign. While the Conservatives are still hanging on to a fairly stable (if somewhat diminished) 33.7 front runner position, the NDP wave which has continued in Quebec is now gaining a strong foothold throughout English Canada. The NDP stands at 28.0 points nationally and they are seeing important gains in virtually all parts of the country. Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals are stuck at 23.7 points but are still in the game in Ontario.

These results, if they were to hold, would produce a profound transformation in the Canadian political firmament, tantamount and arguably more far reaching than the Reform explosion in 1993. With the current splits, these levels of support would produce 131 Conservative seats but the NDP would have 100 seats while the Liberals would hold 62. Together, the NDP and Liberal Party would have a majority and 31 more seats than the Conservatives, as well as nearly 20 more points in popular vote. It is hard to imagine how these totals would not produce the once unimaginable outcome of a Jack Layton led coalition government deposing Stephen Harper’s Conservative government. Unless of course, Stephen Harper could convince Michael Ignatieff that the Conservatives were more appropriate political bedfellows for the Liberals. The potential political machinations to this scenario are difficult to calculate. Couple with that we still have a very fluid electorate which may well not have caught up to the implications of its current voting intentions. These results set the table for a dramatic and still unclear conclusion to Campaign 41.


http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2 ... l-25-2011/
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:41 am

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Damn Jeff I should look it up but I'm lazy.

What's the NDP stand on Afghanistan? Libya? NAFTA? Shale oil? GWOT? Bush prosecutions? What are their tendencies to turn into their opposite once elected, a la UK Liberals?

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:43 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

Damn Jeff I should look it up but I'm lazy.

What's the NDP stand on Afghanistan? Libya? NAFTA? Shale oil? GWOT? Bush prosecutions? What are their tendencies to turn into their opposite once elected, a la UK Liberals?

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Their positions are pretty much all-good across the board. They are a true socialist party. As to flip-flopping, nobody really knows because they never get any serious power.
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