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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:24 pm

DrVolin wrote:I am worried that the NDP were caught unawares. I think many Canadians seeing the numbers, being part of the pent-up left demand, thinking that the NDP finally has a chance nationally, are looking at their local candidate and seeing... not much. That's why the NDP effort is so focused on Layton. I hope that doesn't deter too many Liberals with a substantial local candidate from switching at that last solitary moment of reflection over the ballot.


I was just reading a Globe article about the candidate in Berthier-Maskinongé, who's vacationing in Vegas this week from her job as assistant manager of a Carlton campus pub. The manager hadn't even known she was running until contacted by the paper.

This may be a unique issue for Quebec. Many ridings the NDP would not have expected to be contenders, and yet their candidates may very well be swept into office. Optimistically, it may be - refreshing.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:46 pm

Jeff wrote:
DrVolin wrote:I am worried that the NDP were caught unawares. I think many Canadians seeing the numbers, being part of the pent-up left demand, thinking that the NDP finally has a chance nationally, are looking at their local candidate and seeing... not much. That's why the NDP effort is so focused on Layton. I hope that doesn't deter too many Liberals with a substantial local candidate from switching at that last solitary moment of reflection over the ballot.


I was just reading a Globe article about the candidate in Berthier-Maskinongé, who's vacationing in Vegas this week from her job as assistant manager of a Carlton campus pub. The manager hadn't even known she was running until contacted by the paper.

This may be a unique issue for Quebec. Many ridings the NDP would not have expected to be contenders, and yet their candidates may very well be swept into office. Optimistically, it may be - refreshing.


I have long maintained that choosing representatives by lottery would be superior to a system wherein the money and its media decide who are the favorites ("Serious" and "Viable" candidates) from a self-selected pool of ambitious popularity-seekers who've spent their lives climbing and kissing ass.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:54 pm

JackRiddler wrote:I have long maintained that choosing representatives by lottery would be superior to a system wherein the money and its media decide who are the favorites ("Serious" and "Viable" candidates) from a self-selected pool of ambitious popularity-seekers who've spent their lives climbing and kissing ass.


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I dunno guys. Something smells with this new NDP hype. I can't put my finger on it.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:15 pm

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:I have long maintained that choosing representatives by lottery would be superior to a system wherein the money and its media decide who are the favorites ("Serious" and "Viable" candidates) from a self-selected pool of ambitious popularity-seekers who've spent their lives climbing and kissing ass.


Like jury duty, I like it.


I dunno guys. Something smells with this new NDP hype. I can't put my finger on it.


agreed and .. reluctantly also agreed. I think I'm just to cynical. But..

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:20 pm

JackRiddler wrote:I have long maintained that choosing representatives by lottery would be superior to a system wherein the money and its media decide who are the favorites ("Serious" and "Viable" candidates) from a self-selected pool of ambitious popularity-seekers who've spent their lives climbing and kissing ass.


I think often of Harry Perkins' victory speech in A Very British Coup, and I think maybe millions of simple minded Canadians are ready to tell the political class that it's their turn to go to hell.

Pollsters today on CBC discussing NDP momentum. "Unprecedented," "still surging," "exponential growth," "phenomenon" and "this is real [sic] happening" were spoken.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:39 pm

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:I dunno guys. Something smells with this new NDP hype. I can't put my finger on it.


I think the media can't ignore the enormity of what's underway, though some try to bury it, but I haven't seen evidence that they're happy about it. I still keep hearing CBC reporters intone that a rising NDP could reward the Conservatives with a majority, even after the party's eclipsed their Liberals in the polls.

The Wall Street Journal has taken notice. Now we're in trouble.

Canada's Left-Leaning Party Grabs the Spotlight

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"The chips could fall into the NDP's hands," said David Taras, a political analyst at Mount Royal University in Calgary.

Either scenario could have wide-ranging policy ramifications in Ottawa. The NDP champions higher corporate taxes, beefed-up pension benefits and increased health-care spending. Conservative government efforts to pare back stimulus spending have eased growing worry about Canada's relatively large deficit, helping to underpin recent strength in the Canadian dollar.

Financial-market observers have largely ignored the election, until now.

"This election has gone from a non-event to what could yet be a pretty big deal," said Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist at BMO Capital Markets in Toronto. "And if the markets hadn't been paying attention to the election before, they should now."


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:46 pm

calling all markets! attention, attention! let the universe know you now have your finger on the "offshore" button of your Canada console! do not tolerate the least move to equity, justice or humanity! pah, ideals! murdering profits! reds! giving youth ideas! alert, alert! activate slime campaign! what's in the Giftschrank? does Jack wear boxers or briefs?! these ungrateful globs below, why do they hate our freedoms?

As usual my good friend Randy Newman completed the thought forty (40) years ago, albeit in a slightly other context:

"We give them money, are they grateful? No, they're spiteful and they're hateful! And everywhere, even our old friends let us down... let's drop the big one, see what happens."
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:24 pm

This should auger well:

More than two million Canadians turned out to cast ballots in advance polls over the holiday weekend, according to Elections Canada's preliminary estimate, a 34 per cent increase from 2008.

Chief Electoral Officer Marc Mayrand said 2,056,001 ballots were cast during the three days of advance polls in a "higher than expected turnout," compared to 1,528,780 advance ballots cast three years ago.

More than 676,000 Canadians voted on Friday and more than 823,000 on Monday — the two busiest days of advance voting ever, the agency said in a statement Tuesday.

And the final tally could be even higher. Mayrand said the overall figure is a preliminary estimate, and some polls may not have reported yet.


I can't tell how many times I've heard Harper try to suppress votes by calling this a needless election Canadians don't want. A lot of somebodies aren't listening.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby stoneonstone » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:01 am

Yeah, who knows what lurks in the ballot boxes of the advanced polls...though I doubt the Reform Conservatives are happy about the mountain.

Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist at BMO Capital Markets in Toronto is a good C.D. Howe 'er...and in the CBC summary of his report today about how the NDP rise to second was decidedly 'market unfriendly' had me screaming at the TV. Maybe a plurality of Canadians, rather than shout at the TV, have decided that it's time all WE little atlas's shrugged, and dropped the bespoke suited monkeys off our backs. We have to flip 'em off, with the crap coming. I'm hoping it's this that we're all whiffing - fine zeitgeist - rather than the kid next door wearing too much Axe deoderant.

But I also hope the NDP doesn't get stupidly ideological - wind turbines and the like - rather than real policy changes that'll help people out in the hard times coming.

And hell, as observed earlier...a few dozen accidental parliamentarians has to be a change from the professional slime of a Baird or Kenney.

Thankfully the Royal Family is going to block the counter media storm the next few days.

Can't wait for Monday.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:59 am

stoneonstone: Excuse me, is this royal wedding shit still not over? I'm too elitist-lee pleeezed with myself for still not knowing the name of the git that's marrying whoever.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby justdrew » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:56 am

JackRiddler wrote:stoneonstone: Excuse me, is this royal wedding shit still not over? I'm too elitist-lee pleeezed with myself for still not knowing the name of the git that's marrying whoever.


it's the one that thought it would be fun to dress up as a nazi i think
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:40 am

Telling moment among the chattering class last night on The National displaying how off-script we are now. "The Insiders" panel discussing the NDP surge. CBC's two insiders are Liberal and Conservative. The NDP is still absent from the table, even when the NDP is the subject.

FWIW, from the recent polls, the NDP is now leading among all Canadian women. And if Angus Reid is to believed, Ontario is beginning to break: Con 37, Lib 30, NDP 27, GRN 6.

Conservative hack Paul Wells had been calling the NDP numbers "wonky" for days. Tweeted last night, "Basically, the NDP vote is odd and magical right now. NDP vote also likelier to grow."
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:01 am

Jeff wrote:Telling moment among the chattering class last night on The National displaying how off-script we are now. "The Insiders" panel discussing the NDP surge. CBC's two insiders are Liberal and Conservative. The NDP is still absent from the table, even when the NDP is the subject.


did you notice, too, how that Insiders discussion was focussed on "the problem of the surge" and strategy tips for dealing with it? I didn't like that at all. All this 'us' versus 'them' stuff, as if no one is one of 'them.'

Ahh well, the more they play it up like the NDP and its supporters are a problem to be dealt with the more the disenfranchised will take note, I think.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:38 am

Mood says: Enough time afterward to be disappointed!

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:48 pm

If anybody needs me before next Tuesday, tell them they can find me in this thread.

Every time I think the ceiling's been reached, or it's all just going to fade away:

PARLIAMENT HILL—Liberals are set to lose long-held bastions in Montreal and Toronto as the NDP closes dramatically in on becoming the official opposition with only four full days of campaigning before the election on Monday, according to the results of a Forum Research poll conducted in collaboration with The Hill Times.

The survey conducted Tuesday night puts the NDP firmly in second place, barely behind the Conservative Party, as its support has continued to climb in regions across Canada following the stunning wave the party and its leader, Jack Layton, have generated in Quebec.

The poll of voting intentions of 3,150 Canadians gave the NDP 31 per cent support nationally, compared to 34 per cent for the Conservatives, who dropped by two percentage polls from the last Forum Research poll on April 21. Support for the Liberal Party, which may have hit rock bottom in the upheaval of the past two weeks, remained relatively unchanged, down to 22 per cent from 23 per cent on April 21.

With so little time left, and voter intentions firming up, it appears Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who has urged voters to give him a stable majority government from the outset on March 26, will in the end have his minority government reduced by as many as 10 seats, to a possible 137, Forum Research president Lorne Bozinoff told The Hill Times.

Despite musing about the possibility of an NDP government, notably on the new Sun News Network, Mr. Bozinoff said though Mr. Layton and his NDP appear most likely to form the official opposition, they would need to convert seats in unlikely areas of the country to displace the governing party.

Mr. Bozinoff’s poll and analysis based on past results in key ridings would give the Conservatives 137 seats, the NDP 108 seats if an election were held today, 60 for the Liberals and only three seats for the Bloc Québécois. If these results hold, the seat projections would have a range of plus or minus 10 seats for each party, Mr. Bozinoff emphasized.

Right now there’s a 30-seat difference, so the NDP would need 15 more seats to switch [with the Conservatives], and those seats are not going to be in Quebec, Quebec is done, I think pretty much,” he said. “So it’s 15 seats the NDP are going to be looking for in the rest of the country outside Quebec, I think that’s going to be tough for them to find those seats, because we’re really down to the hard core seats now.”


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What's more, NDP lead by sizable numbers in age categories 18-34. (Conservative support peaks 65+.) And for the first time more Canadians say Layton would make a better PM than Harper.


Top civil servants told to focus on NDP position on constitutional reform: CP sources
By: Heather Scoffield, The Canadian Press

Posted: 04/27/2011 3:42 PM

OTTAWA - Political parties aren't the only ones combing through the NDP election platform to see what the promises would look like in reality.

The Canadian Press has learned that the highest ranks of the federal civil service have also been told to take their sharp pencils to the New Democrat policies as they prepare for the next government to take over — especially when it comes to the Constitution.

The civil service always keeps a very close eye on the ups and downs of election campaigns so that it can be prepared for any electoral outcome and help the new government transition smoothly to power.

This time, however, the constitutional issue was not even on the back burner until the middle of the campaign, when NDP Leader Jack Layton brought it up during the French debate.

Turning separatist semantics on their head, Layton declared that he wanted to create the "winning conditions" to have Quebec included in the Constitution.

Under some clerks of the Privy Council, the civil service is told to prepare several different versions of briefing books so that they will be ready for any electoral outcome.

But public service mandarins haven't really taken the NDP seriously in the past.

In 2004, for example, the party actually approached senior government officials with a request for meetings so that the party could present and explain its policies.

Their request was rebuffed, and the New Democrats were made to understand it was because they were not serious contenders for power.

This time, NDP officials aren't asking for the extra attention and polls suggesting a spike in New Democrats' support means they don't need to.


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