The 'Obama was (possibly) groomed by the CIA' thread

[agitprop]

I think all candidates are vetted by the CIA and marginalized if they aren't on the same page as intel. The US isn't a true democracy.

[Sweejak]

Oh, that reminds me of Jesse Ventura's experience with the CIA after his first (I think) election.

Here's a viddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30siX8-9sU

[agitprop]

Oh, that reminds me of Jesse Ventura's experience with the CIA after his first (I think) election.

Here's a viddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30siX8-9sU

Exactly. If Ventura with his limited ability to affect real change, got the treatment, what might Obama have gotten if he wasn't bought and paid for or thoroughly unnerved by the potential for dirty tricks, already?

Do you remember the stories, during the campaign, about his slimey next door neighbour and some real estate deal? Those stories didn't just slowly die out, they disappeared in a Chicago minute. Probably a shot across the bow, to remind him who is really in charge, and we've heard nothing more about it---because he fell right into line.

[Sweejak]

Good ole Joe Cannon was on those stories and stayed on top of those stories.

Looks like with Ventura they had to analyze how this populist got thru the system. Can't have that, or we can, as long as we understand how to invent it and control it.



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[JackRiddler]

I think all candidates are vetted by the CIA and marginalized if they aren't on the same page as intel. The US isn't a true democracy.

No doubt about it. "CIA" is probably not exactly the right shorthand for it, although "NWO" certainly is not. You might call it the consensus of the cryptocracy within the national security state. It also works easily enough through the familiar, sociologically-analyzable means of ideology. If you're describing any part of the empire for what it is, you will be winnowed out of contention automatically by the big campaign-money flows and the institutions of the corporate media, who are programmed to marginalize any open subversiveness. Example: You can say Iraq was the wrong idea for defending America, or was done the wrong way by incompetents. Roughly the Obama-to-Franken position. But you can't say it was a long-planned war of imperialism for the purpose of redrawing the map in the oil-rich part of the world, and a crime against humanity initiated on conscious, outrageous lies. If you do, there will be no need for the CIA to vet you; NBC and CNN and WaPo will take care of you many months in advance of an election.

Anyway, the question of this thread I thought was whether Obama or his family have a spook background going back to his youth, or before.

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[JackRiddler]

I don't know what the following may mean, but I just found it out.


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"Geitner" redirects here. For other uses, see Geitner (disambiguation).

Timothy Franz Geithner (pronounced /ˈɡaɪtnər/; born August 18, 1961), is the 75th and current United States Secretary of the Treasury, serving under President Barack Obama. He was previously the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Geithner's position includes a large role in directing the Federal Government's economic response to the financial crisis which began after December 2007. Specific tasks include directing the allocation of $350 billion of Wall Street bailout funds. He is currently dealing with multiple high visibility issues, including the survival of the automobile industry, the restructuring of banks, financial institutions and insurance companies, recovery of the mortgage market, demands for protectionism, Obama's new tax proposals, and relations with foreign governments that are dealing with similar crises. [1]

Contents:
1. Biography
2. Secretary of the Treasury nomination
3. Bank bailout
4. Family
5. Memberships
6. References
7. Further reading
8. External links
Timothy F. Geithner
Timothy Geithner
75th United States Secretary of the Treasury
Incumbent
Assumed office
January 26, 2009
President Barack Obama
Preceded by Henry Paulson
9th President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
In office
November 17, 2003 - January 26, 2009
Preceded by William McDonough
Succeeded by William Dudley
Born August 18, 1961 (age 47)
Brooklyn, New York, USA
Nationality American
Political party Democratic
Spouse Carole M. Sonnenfeld
Children Elise and Benjamin Geithner
Alma mater Johns Hopkins University (M.A.)
Dartmouth College (B.A.)
Occupation Civil Servant
1. Biography
1. 1. Early life and education

Geithner was born in Brooklyn, New York. [2] He spent most of his childhood living outside the United States, including present-day Zimbabwe, Zambia, India, and Thailand where he completed high school at International School Bangkok in Bangkok, Thailand. [3] He attended Camp Becket-in-the-Berkshires-for-boys, a summer camp located in western Massachusetts. He then attended Dartmouth College, graduating with a B.A. in government and Asian studies in 1983. [4] He earned an M.A. in international economics and East Asian studies from Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in 1985. [4] [5] He has studied Chinese [4] and Japanese. [6]

Geithner's paternal grandfather, Paul Herman Geithner (1902-1972), emigrated with his parents from the German town of Zeulenroda to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1908. [7] His father, Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once. [8] Timothy Geithner's mother, Deborah Moore Geithner, is a pianist and piano teacher in Larchmont, New York where his parents currently reside. Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as Vice President of Public Relations from 1952-1964 for Ford Motor Company. [9]
1. 2. Early career

After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He went on to serve as an attaché at the US Embassy in Tokyo. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995-1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997-1998). [5]

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998-2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers. [5] Summers was his mentor, [10] [11] but other sources call him a Rubin protégé. [11] [12] [13]

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http://wapedia.mobi/en/Timothy_Geithner

The notes for that section (numbers lost in cut and paste, but you can figure it out).

# 60 Minutes (CBS). March 22, 2009. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/ ... 3938.shtml.
# America.gov
# "Carole M. Sonnenfeld wed to T. F. Geithner". New York Times. 9 June 1985. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A963948260. Retrieved on November 22, 2008.
# ^ Farley, Kate (3 October 2008). "Family describes Geithner ‘83’s youth". Hanover, NH: The Dartmouth. http://thedartmouth.com/2008/10/03/news/geithner/. Retrieved on November 22, 2008.
# ^ "Timothy F. Geithner". Who's Who (Marquis Who's Who): pp. K2017000959. 22 November 2008. http://www.marquiswhoswho.com/. Retrieved on November 22, 2008.
# "Obama picks dynamic duo to rescue US". BusinessDay (The Sydney Morning Herald). 24 November 2008. http://www.businessday.com.au/business/ ... tml?page=3. Retrieved on November 25, 2008.
# http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ithner.htm
# "Ford Foundation Links Parents of Obama and Treasury Secretary Nominee". Chronicle of Philanthropy. 2008-12-03. http://philanthropy.com/news/government ... hp?id=6453. Retrieved on 2008-12-20.
# Milton, Susan (25 November 2008). "Treasury nominee has ties to Orleans". News (Cape Cod Times). http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs. ... /811250313. Retrieved on November 26, 2008.
# ^ Cho, David; Montgomery, Lori; Murray, Shailagh (22 November 2008). "Obama Picks N.Y. Fed President Geithner as Treasury Secretary". Business (The Washington Post): p. A1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews. Retrieved on November 23, 2008.
# ^ Canova, Timothy (25 November 2008). "Obamanomics: Is this real change?". The Real News. p. 1'00s. http://therealnews.com/id/2852/November ... +change%3F. Retrieved on December 13, 2008. "He had been mentored by Lawrence Summers."
# ^ Irwin, Neil (22 November 2008). "A Treasury Contender Schooled in Crisis". Business (The Washington Post=): p. A6. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03939.html. Retrieved on November 23, 2008.
# ^ "Obama picks Geithner as treasury secretary". The Financial Express. Mumbai: Indian Express Newspapers. 23 November 2008. http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Ob ... ry/389429/. Retrieved on November 23, 2008. "Geithner is a protege of Lawrence Summers and has been involved in the bailouts of Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea and Thailand in the 1990s as the treasury undersecretary"

[JackRiddler]

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Cannon does a kind of rehash, with video of John Pilger talking about Business International, the at least sometime CIA front where Obama got his first job out of college while in New York:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/ ... obama.html

Most interesting is that one of the comments directs to a document I hadn't heard of until now called "The Strawberry Statement."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strawberry_Statement

The Strawberry Statement is a non-fiction book by James Simon Kunen, written when he was 19, which chronicled his experiences at Columbia University from 1966–1968, particularly the April 1968 protests and takeover of the office of the dean of Columbia by student protesters. [1]
Contents

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The title comes from a statement made by Herbert Deane, a Columbia administrator, who deprecated student opinions about university administrative decisions as having no more importance than if the students had said they liked the taste of strawberries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_I ... orporation

In his book The Strawberry Statement, former student protester James Kunen reports a description of Business International by an unnamed Students for a Democratic Society conference attendee in 1968. The attendee, referred to by Kunen as 'the kid', claimed the company offered to finance SDS demonstrations in Chicago. Business International is described as 'the left wing of the ruling class' and as desiring a Gene McCarthy presidency.[1]

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The company has been identified as cover organization for the Central Intelligence Agency, e.g. see Lobster Magazine, issue 14 in 1987. According to a lengthy article in the New York Times in 1977, the co-founder of the company told the newspaper that "Eldridge Haynes [the other founder] had provided cover for four CIA employees in various countries between 1955 and 1960".[3]

The comment on Cannonfire cites the passage from "The Strawberry Statement":

Note the following description from the book 'The Strawberry Statement'. Business International is described as the 'the left wing of the ruling class' and as financing radical organizations. This was published in 1970:

"Also at the convention, men from Business International Roundtables - the meetings sponsored by Business International for their client groups and heads of government - tried to buy up a few radicals. These men are the world's leading industrialists and they convene to decide how our lives are going to go. These are the boys who wrote the Alliance for Progress. They're the left wing of the ruling class.

"They agreed with us on black control and student control. They were for kicking out Kirk. Only thing they disagree with us on was imperialism. They figure we've got the technology the world needs, and we ought to have some control over where it goes and for what.

"They want [Gene] McCarthy in. They see fascism as the threat, see it coming from Wallace. The only way McCarthy could win is if the crazies and young radicals act up and make Gene look more reasonable. They offered to finance our demonstrations in Chicago.

"We were also offered Esso (Rockefeller) money. They want us to make a lot of radical commotion so they can look more in the center as they move to the left."

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[JackRiddler]

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I looked up the NYT article from 1977 on CIA-journalism connections, but all it says about Business International is what we already see in the post above. (Haynes the younger admits to having provided cover to four agents through 1960.)

[JackRiddler]

I'm kicking this thread more than a year later and hope it overtakes the new one on the same subject

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=29533

- some interesting info, but impoverished by a declarative title and uncritical adoption of the OP from a certain Wayne Madsen.

[American Dream]

Jack, can you say something about specific questions/concerns regarding Wayne Madsen?

[JackRiddler]

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Sorry not to get back to this sooner, AD.

The biggest problem with Wayne Madsen is that he seems to make up all this shit sourced from anonymous supposed mil-intel super-insiders. All of it comes across as novelistic red meat for the conspiracy marketing niche. He always has the amazin' answers! See the current thread about him with the replies delving into the shootout he claimed happened in the Chicago metro a few years back. The plot was that intel good guy renegades stopped a crazy rogue Mossad nuke attack or something, I've definitely forgotten the details because I don't pay any attention to him any more. He likes "White Hat" narratives reminiscent of Hollywood fare, in which the true patriotic and law-abiding forces step in to end the evil plot just in time.

WM might gather a lot of solid sourced fact but he mixes in his own fiction. He's predicted the imminent shut-down of the Bush (and now the Obama) presidency by White Hats more often even than Alex Jones or Tarpley have warned that there's a big terror show scheduled for tomorrow. That WM gets a platform on RT is an indicator that they're willing to allow US deep state critique, but don't care what's true.

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[JackRiddler]

bumping for current relevance

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Obama's passport has the evidence of his trip for CIA in the 80s.

That's why there's a decoy hubbub focusing on his birth certificate. Besides the obvious value of stirring up racist nationalists.

Keyword hijacking of "document cover-up."

[JackRiddler]

Obama's passport has the evidence of his trip for CIA in the 80s.

That's why there's a decoy hubbub focusing on his birth certificate. Besides the obvious value of stirring up racist nationalists.

Keyword hijacking of "document cover-up."

I think you have it the wrong way around.

There was a hubbub about the birth certificate entirely as a proxy to mobilize the racists. As you know, nowadays they can't say, "hang the [black man]," without losing votes. Right wingers who have learned from Rove look for a way to push that point while maintaining plausible deniability that it's not about racism (not really, but it works in this media environment). The birth certificate does it by proxy. Foreigner, African, socialist. It's all really one thing to the racists.

It distracts from many other things, like all distractions. Outside our circles, there would be less-than-zero hubbub over the possibility of an Obama trip for CIA in the 1980s. As a distraction, the birth certificate obviously works best to discredit all things called "conspiracy theory."

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[Avalon]

I'd been thinking Joseph Cannon was going to go through with his oft-repeated threat to nuke his blog, but in following a link back in this thread I see he's still going. That's good to see. While I strongly disagree with a lot of what he'd said in the past several years, and even more strongly disagree with the way he's said it, he can be smart and savvy and often has some useful perspectives.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/