Roswell, Stalin and Mengele.

[barracuda]

Roswell 'was Soviet plot to create US panic

DEVOTEES of science fiction have been convinced for decades that an alien spacecraft crashed in the desert of New Mexico - and that the American government covered up the recovery of extraterrestrial bodies.

The so-called Roswell Incident of 1947 spawned conspiracy theories by the score.

But now, sadly for UFO spotters, a new book offers an entirely man-made and even more bizarre explanation, featuring two of the greatest villains of 20th century history: the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and the infamous Nazi ''Angel of Death'' Dr Josef Mengele.

During a powerful storm in July 1947, an object crashed near a rancher's home in Roswell, New Mexico.

Roswell army airbase initially said that a ''flying disc'' had come down but, hours later, as government scientists arrived, it was stated that a weather balloon had crashed. The incident went largely unreported until books and documentaries in the 1970s made allegations of alien life forms.

Area 51, the new book by Annie Jacobsen, is based on interviews with scientists and engineers who worked in the top-secret test base in the Nevada Desert.

It dismisses the alien story and puts forward the theory that Stalin was inspired by Orson Welles's famous radio adaptation of the H.G. Wells novel The War of the Worlds, which provoked hysteria across America when broadcast in 1938.

According to the book, the plot started after the Soviet Union seized from Germany at the end of the war the jet-propelled, single wing Horten Ho 229 - a fighter said to be the forerunner of the modern B-2 stealth bomber.

This is where Mengele enters the story. The Nazi doctor, who experimented on prisoners in Auschwitz and fled to South America after the war, was supposedly enlisted to create a crew of ''grotesque, child-size aviators'' in return for a eugenics laboratory.

The book says that the plane was filled with ''alien-like'' children, aged 12 or 13, who Stalin wanted to land in America and cause hysteria similar to the 1938 broadcast. But the remotely piloted plane crashed and the Americans hushed up the incident. Jacobsen's source, a retired engineer from the former defence company EG&G, said he was put on to the Roswell project in Area 51 in 1978.

Jacobsen, a journalist with The Los Angeles Times, writes: ''They found bodies alongside the crashed craft. These were not aliens. Nor were they consenting airmen. They were human guinea pigs. Unusually petite for pilots, they appeared to be children.

''Each was under five feet tall. They were grotesquely deformed, but each in the same manner as the others. They had unusually large heads and abnormally shaped oversized eyes.''

Two were supposedly found ''comatose but still alive''.

A spokesman for the US Air Force said: ''We have not yet read this book so we are not able to make a comment on it.''

[Luther Blissett]

Same Annie Jacobsen as the "terror in the skies dry run" Annie Jacobsen?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

[barracuda]

Yeah, but jeez, what a great yarn! Mengele made the Roswell aliens under Stalin's supervision?!? And then remote-controlled a Horten Ho 229 over the US?!? This fucker's got it all!

I can't help geeking out about it.

[Luther Blissett]

It's pretty great. Beats the hell out of the entertainment factor found on The Apprentice.

[wallflower]

FreshAir had Jacobsen on today and the Web page and audio of the show are up http://www.npr.org/2011/05/17/136356848/area-51-uncensored-was-it-ufos-or-the-ussr?&sc=tumblr&cc=freshair

[JackRiddler]

.

I heard part of this program while doing housework. But WTF, I completely missed this cockamamie Stalin/Mengele story. That's a pretty funny punchline for a program that included the usual sneers at "conspiracy theory." Interesting that Mengele was "enlisted" by the Soviets, since after his escape from Europe he lived incognito in US-backed military dictatorships of Argentina and Paraguay. There's a huge stink of propaganda on the story, and that's before I saw that Jacobsen is the fabricator of the odious 2004 "Muslim big-band terrorists on a plane" scare story.

What I did hear from the program were the even crazier but undeniably true stories about the nuclear tests, including the intentional crashing of a load of plutonium into the ground to see how it would spread, and the resulting irreversible contamination of a large area. Very fucked up stuff. Reminds you we're now in the seventh decade of states justifying piecemeal nuclear holocaust to themselves, part of the reason why such great feats of denial are possible with the ongoing Fukushima meltdowns.

.

oops, meant to post this in the GD thread. Well hi there spacefarers!

.

[Simulist]

Wow. I'm not sure what's harder to believe: the original fucked-up narrative (Roswell and "the aliens") or this explanation for that fucked-up narrative.