What constitutes Misogyny?

[praeclarus]

I can't tell anymore... are we on topic?

I can tell. The answer is no.

I can also tell you this: this thread is a slow moving train
wreck, deja vuing itself all over again. And again and again.

It has no redeeming value and ran its course 40 or 50 pages
ago. Once upon a time on this board Jeff, or somebody, would
shut these sorts of things down way before they ever got this
far. It's done. There's nothing left but ruins.

Now it is nothing but one spat after another. Accusations,
recriminations, apologies, sobbing, crying, and then start
all over again.

WTF.

On the other hand, it's right proper entertaining.

Still though, if it was me I'd shut it down.

[Canadian_watcher]

SLAD, I'm not giving you a link. She wanted to remain private. She was very hurt. I don't give a shit if you don't believe me.

Sorry 'cuda, but I had to make an answer. I'll drop it now.

I'm not dropping it YOU find where I pissed on someone and she left because of it. You brought it up and whatever the exchange was it was public and I want to see it... or else I will go hunting for it, look at you breaking someone's trust by bringing it up, now you will answer for it

Since you asked so nicely, I've forwarded the PM to barracuda who will confirm for you that this event did, in fact, take place.

[Canadian_watcher]

I can't tell anymore... are we on topic?

I can tell. The answer is no.

I can also tell you this: this thread is a slow moving train
wreck, deja vuing itself all over again. And again and again.

It has no redeeming value and ran its course 40 or 50 pages
ago. Once upon a time on this board Jeff, or somebody, would
shut these sorts of things down way before they ever got this
far. It's done. There's nothing left but ruins.

Now it is nothing but one spat after another. Accusations,
recriminations, apologies, sobbing, crying, and then start
all over again.

WTF.

On the other hand, it's right proper entertaining.

Still though, if it was me I'd shut it down.

MANY people are getting something from this thread.
If you are not, please send in your receipt for payment to participate here and I'll give you a full refund.

[seemslikeadream]

SLAD, I'm not giving you a link. She wanted to remain private. She was very hurt. I don't give a shit if you don't believe me.

Sorry 'cuda, but I had to make an answer. I'll drop it now.

I'm not dropping it YOU find where I pissed on someone and she left because of it. You brought it up and whatever the exchange was it was public and I want to see it... or else I will go hunting for it, look at you breaking someone's trust by bringing it up, now you will answer for it

Since you asked so nicely, I've forwarded the PM to barracuda who will confirm for you that this event did, in fact, take place.

I don't want to see the pm or even that baracuda has seen the pm I want to see the exchange between me and this other person

and if I have to go through every post I've made in the last 6 months I'll do it, promise

[Canadian_watcher]

and if I have to go through every post I've made in the last 6 months I'll do it, promise

have at it

[seemslikeadream]

and if I have to go through every post I've made in the last 6 months I'll do it, promise

have at it

all ready started

[praeclarus]

MANY people are getting something from this thread.
If you are not, please send in your receipt for payment to participate here and I'll give you a full refund.

I was talking to barracuda.

If I want some snipe from you, I'll reply to one
of your posts. Oh shit, I just did.

Edit to add what I was replying to.

[Canadian_watcher]

MANY people are getting something from this thread.
If you are not, please send in your receipt for payment to participate here and I'll give you a full refund.

I was talking to barracuda.

If I want some snipe from you, I'll reply to one
of your posts. Oh shit, I just did.

Edit to add what I was replying to.

Your contempt for me is obvious. Ignored.

[compared2what?]

You know, I really have to start reading the posts that go up while I'm wandering to and fro away from the computer and back before hitting submit.

SLAD --

Come on. Stop it. It is definitely true that Maddy left over hostility to this thread and hijinks in connection with it. It doesn't have to be so personalized. That's just how it was.

And it's not entirely fair to attribute all of the conflict to only one side of it. Each has 100 percent of their fifty percent of the responsibility for it. Which is also just how it is.

Beyond that: Understandable feelings are one thing. But fair's fair. And it's definitely not fair to blame Canadian_watcher really for much of anything that many, many other posters to the board don't do or haven't at some point also done. Most of them for no particular reason or cause at all.

I mean, I don't want to name names. Because I'm hashing, not flame-fanning. But if you think about it for a moment, I'm sure you'll see it's the case. Because nothing C_w's doing is all that much of a big departure from standard board decorum.

Seriously. I mean, maybe something is happening here. But what it is ain't exactly clear, afaic. Not on the surface, at least.

[barracuda]

MANY people are getting something from this thread.

I happen to agree. But I'm not sure about this latest row. If you two can't find a way to resolve this, things aren't looking so good. I advise a private conversation to iron this out, as much as it may seem abhorrant to either of you. Please respect each other and find some area of mutual agreement, because this back-biting and dirty laundry isn't really working for me here.

The last thing I want to do is validate praeclarus.

[Canadian_watcher]

I personally don't feel a need to talk about it anymore at all. I would also urge you to think about the fact that SLAD is basically acting as an intruder into the workings of this thread. I am not responsible for that, and it would be extremely ridiculous to end this thread over this latest attack, since I believe Brekin, WUaL, and a few others had a lot of fun for pages and pages at my expense earlier on with no intervention by mods until the PMs to me started up.

I will not be held responsible for this.

[wallflower]

I'm socially awkward. Part of what makes RI interesting to me is that others here sometimes admit to being socially awkward too. I know there's a great deal of history involved in the the emotions about...well directly the misogyny on this board. This particular thread is being mentioned on other threads, but it seems the mention is just a stand in for the broader effort to address the issue. As far as the interpersonal dynamics go quite a lot seems to require knowledge of history of interactions that I don't know about. But the angry posts are disconcerting because it's too easy to loose sight the general respect and positive regard among posters. I have been lurking around to know it's here in the mix too.

I read a piece tonight about management and journalism. A short snippet:

The emotional intelligence of group members, in other words, serves the cognitive intelligence of the group overall. And this means that — wait for it — groups with more women tend to be smarter than groups with more men. (As Malone put it: “More females, more intelligence.”)

I suspect at least part of the motivation to try to address too much sexist BS here at the board is to try to prevent the board getting too stupid.

It's funny the ecology of online spaces and how they come about. I sometimes read Will Bunch's blog Attytood. Bunch sometimes comes through with some great stuff, but the comments at the blog are basically useless. An awful lot of his "fans" seem to hate his guts, so the tenor of the comments has as long as I can remember been a bunch of guys insulting Bunch and each other. I guess some people like that. It's certainly not what people here want, or at least say they want. We want to be smart as a group. Clearly lots of posters here are individually very smart, but we're trying to reap the benefits of group smarts too. And the interesting thing about group intelligence is just putting a bunch of smart people together doesn't produce high group intelligence. Smart groups are one where people in the group know that others have something to offer.

There are many problems with misogyny, one of them is it's poison for group smarts. So to repeat the management guy's (Thomas Malone) capsule of what makes smarter groups: “More females, more intelligence.” That seems important to me.

[seemslikeadream]

and if I have to go through every post I've made in the last 6 months I'll do it, promise

have at it

ok I read it and some one is full of shit, are you kidding me she left because of that? There was no misunderstanding there...... I don't like being called a baby killer and that's all there is to that, call me a baby killer and I'll do the same to you. If that was the reason she gave for leaving she was either lying or just didn't like me calling her out on her beliefs about women and reproduction. I almost left here because of her. I was not going to stay somewhere where I or anyone else that has an abortion is called a baby killer

[barracuda]

I will not be held responsible for this.

The only thing I hold you responsible for is having begun the longest thread in the history of general discussion, a thread which is an amazing rollercoaster ride.

I won't shut it down at this point. I think I'd fight to keep it open just out of spite and fascination.

[Canadian_watcher]

and if I have to go through every post I've made in the last 6 months I'll do it, promise

have at it

ok I read it and some one is full of shit, are you kidding me she left because of that? There was no misunderstanding there...... I don't like being called a baby killer and that's all there is to that, call me a baby killer and I'll do the same to you. If that was the reason she gave for leaving she was either lying or just didn't like me calling her out on her beliefs about women and reproduction. I almost left here because of her. I was not going to stay somewhere where I or anyone else that has an abortion is called a baby killer

She was supporting abortion. You misread her.