a visit to a FEMA detainment camp

[Rigorous Intuition]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Fascinating first-hand story from Oklahoma <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, with many photos.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>...<br><br>We lugged the bags of clothes back to the car. We then turned to bringing in our personal hygiene products. That's when we learned our cabin had been designated a "male only" cabin. Approximately 40 men, ranging from age 13 on up would be housed there. We started resacking the female products and sorted out everything that would be useful for men. <br><br>We lugged the bags of female products back to the car. We asked if they knew of a cabin that had been designated for women. The "host" (the hosts are Oklahoma civilians who have been employeed??? by FEMA to reside at each cabin and have already gone through at least one "orientation" meeting conducted by FEMA at "BASE" which is some unknown but repetitively referred location within the camp) told us he believed McAlester cabin was dedicated to females. He then explained there were male, female and family cabins designated. <br><br>We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen. <br><br>Excuse me? I asked incredulously. <br><br>FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and... <br><br>it could cause a riot. <br><br>It gets worse. <br><br>He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months. <br><br>My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow." <br><br>My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months." <br><br>We then lug all food products requiring cooking back to the car. We start unloading our snacks. Mom appeared to have cornered the market in five counties on pop-tarts and apparently that was an acceptable snack so the guy started shoving them under the counter. He said these would be good to tied people over in between their two meals a day. But he tells my mother she must take all the breakfast cereal back. My mother protests that cereal requires no cooking. "There will be no milk, ma'am." My mother points to the huge industrial double-wide refrigerator the church had just purchased in the past year. "Ma'am, you don't understand... <br><br>It could cause a riot." <br><br>He then points to the vegetables and fruit. "You'll have to take that back as well. It looks like you've got about 10 apples there. I'm about to bring in 40 men. What would we do then?" <br><br>...<br><br>A dorm room:<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Valhall/090505_120.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Talk about a surreal moment...troops (unknown if Regular or National Guard) have taken up residency in the Durant First Baptist Church cabin very near the main gate of the camp: <br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Valhall/090505_140.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>...<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>The poster asks:</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Do you think I'm over-reacting to the idea of being bussed hundreds of miles from what I am familiar with to a place miles from civilization and from which I cannot leave? <br><br>or <br><br>do you think I'm over-reacting to the fact that federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 9/6/05 9:25 pm<br></i>

[seemslikeadream]

I'm only half way through and I don't think I will sleep tonight. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

"federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?"<br><br>There it is, unfortunately. <br><br>This is anything but an diversely organized, decentralized, collaborative community effort. All power of the residents (inmates? detainees? prisoners?)is stripped from them, they're at the mercy of centralized hieracrchal bureaucracy.<br><br>And seriously- what's up with this "you can't leave?" <br><br>fwiw, I have scant reassurance that the patricians of the Democratic Party are any better, in their attitudes. Clinton/DLC = Bush Repubs. Only the style is different, to appeal to their cultivated constituencies. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[seemslikeadream]

Breaking: MSNBC: Four people in New Orleans have died from an airborne bacteria. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.legitgov.org/" target="top">www.legitgov.org/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[manxkat]

This is so sickening, even though I guess I'm not really surprised. <br><br>Jeff, I just read your latest entry at RI and it does seem that the Satanic truth is being revealed. <br><br>I agree, robertdreed, about the Democrats -- only the style is different. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

It's a terrible conclusion to arrive at, manxkat. Once one has renounced the Establishment Hierarchy existing within <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>both</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> major parties in this country, the path onward is not easy. But facts are facts. <br><br>Ultimately, the cognitive dissonance simply isn't worth it. Even (or especially) when disguised as cynicism. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/6/05 10:56 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

Republican or Democrat, these aren't stewards of the public trust. <br><br>Consider how the prison rape issue is presently being handled by the Federal legislators- buried by studies. Another study, another coat of whitewash. Why don't any of them talk to the Angola Three? <br><br>Where's the testimony from within the walls, by victims, prisoners, and correctional officer whistleblowers? It's been repeatedly demonstrated that some prison administrations in this country have used prison rape and sexual slavery as rewards in return for a "smoothly functioning" facility. But confronting the issue in all of its disgraceful reality is, it seems, too disillusioning. So Americans are encouraged to place faith in a fake myth of freedom, justice, and Constitutional law, rather than grappling with the reality. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/7/05 10:35 am<br></i>

[Fearless]

Most everyone has heard the rumors of the FEMA camps. They called them tin foil conspiracy theories. <br><br>I'd like to cram this down their throats along with an entire roll of Reynolds Wrap and say I told you so, you dumbasses.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

SLaD, can you start a separate thread with that one. and maybe data dump. (could be a bit slow moving).<br>and that truck. the truck that FEMA accepted/let through. does anyone have some more info on that?<br><br>and Fearless - welcome to that strange feeling when Prometheus collides with Now. I guess there's lots of us suffering it's effects at the moment.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

No wonder more people didn't want to evacuate from their homes. <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

Seems like FEMA can do what they have been really preparing for... <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

who is insane and who is not?<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> We daily despise and deride the power-hungry, filthy rich for their utter lack of a single moral virtue, yet we as a society place no limit on wealthpower, and expect them to resist temptation.<br><br><br><br>"Oh hell, here comes our funeral. Let us pry, for our missed understandings."<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Ferry Fey]

If people are unlikely to get many trips into the nearest town with a pharmacy, and there are people who will hunger for some life force after a brush with death, how much sex will there be in the woods there? <br><br>And if so, what sort of prenatal care (or STD treatment) will there be, let alone more than two meals a day for a pregnant woman?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

Soup, and a piece of bread....?<br>Arbeit macht frei!<br><br>This is a nightmare. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Let's take a step back here, just for a moment.<br><br>If you were in charge of taking care of thousands of people, most of them left with only the clothes on their backs, it would make sense that there would be some restrictions on them in their new environment.<br><br>Name badges? It helps the medical teams in case someone falls ill to document their care. Or if a toddler wanders off, it can help connect that child with his or her parents.<br><br>Food and cooking restrictions? It also makes sense to me. Take a look at military camps. Are soldiers allowed to roam into kitchens, grab whatever they want, and cook it? How about kids' summer camps? Whenever you have a large group of people concentrated in one facility, it would generate chaos if everyone just grabbed whatever they wanted to eat and cooked whatever they wanted. That's why there are mess halls in military facilities, cafeterias in schools, and large, industrial-style kitchens in camps.<br><br>Supplies being routed to a central warehouse? What's nefarious about that?<br><br>Navy blue jumpsuits? Either EMTs, Medical staff, cleaning crews, or any of many other possibilities.<br><br>Cops and National Guard? Why not? Ambulances? For God's sake, I sure hope there are ambulances to take people to get urgent medical care.<br><br>This article does not indicated anything remotely like a genocidal death camp, as some have suggested. It seems to me like a camp set up to keep people safe, fed, and housed.<br><br>I am disturbed that they will not be allowed to leave the premises. That is taking it too far. At the same time, I understand that FEMA doesn't want people just disappearing. If too many people just took off, essentially vanishing, FEMA could become the target of lawsuits and recrimination when children or elderly people disappear. <br><br>And I even understand the concerns about riots over one camp getting steak while another gets rice and beans. These are desperate people, after all -- desperate people act desperately. <br><br>Comparing these temporary shelters to death camps is absurd. At least at this point in time. Remember, the people working at those camps are human beings, not Illuminati cyborgs. Most of them care about the hurricane victims and want to help them, and will react harshly to egregious orders that fly in the face of human dignity.<br><br>One positive outcome to all his hellishness is that we've seen even media mouthpieces for the MSM break down and condemn the treament of displaced human beings as worthless cattle. There is a profound public outrage against how the victims were left to rot in the NO Superdome, and believe me, people will be paying *very* close attention to how the victims are treated in these shelters.<br><br>And before I'm once again vilified as an Illuminati disinfo provocateur, I am very aware of the history of FEMA, and have serious concerns about its extra-Constitutional abilities. I will be watching this situation very, very closely, and will be the first to condemn any mistreatment of the victims.<br><br>But comparing them to Nazi death camps at this point is not only alarmist, but is disrespectful to the people who lived through the Nazi death camps. I know of survivors of the Holocaust who would be appalled at the comparison.<br><br>We'll see how this shakes out. But I would suggest that we watch extremely closely, and reserve the Nazi hyperbole for conditions where it is warranted.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>