One curious 'desperate dad'

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One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby wintler2 » Sat May 21, 2011 7:59 am

Some fathers supposedly wronged by child custody law go postal, in big budget movies, on nightly tv, and in real life. One such bloke shut down the Sydney Harbour Bridge last week by doing an unauthorised climb. Many thousands of people v.late for work, intense brief media interest.

What caught my eye with this guy is that he has recent military background, had several women friends apparently willing and able to defend him on talkback radio on the day, and some sort of link with ranking bikies..

Harbour Bridge protest: who is Mick?
Georgina Robinson
May 13, 2011

The disgruntled father whose Sydney Harbour Bridge protest ground half of the city to a halt this morning was almost killed during an alleged bikie shootout last year.


Michael Fox, who went by the name "Mick" on two radio stations today, was caught up in an incident in April 2010 in which a high-ranking Nomads bikie was allegedly murdered.

According to a media report on the ensuing court case, Mr Fox was shot and almost killed during the same incident in which Neil Green, sergeant-at-arms of the Riverstone Nomads chapter, was allegedly murdered.

In November last year, a man was charged with shooting with intent to kill Mr Fox.

Little else is known about the 38-year-old, who claims to have military training and was charged with a range of offences over today's protest.

We know that he has a broad Australian accent, closely-cropped dark brown hair, a muscular build and formidable abseiling skills.

When he phoned into two commercial radio stations this morning we learnt he separated from his wife or partner recently and felt he had been denied access to his children.

We understand he has two children and lives somewhere on Sydney's north shore.

Mr Fox told 2GB he would not go into the details of his personal situation to protect his children but he made reference to "parental alienation syndrome" on Triple M.

"I've asked for help ... so many times, no one wants to help the blokes; the chicks get in first and start throwing stones, the blokes don't stand a chance," he told the station's Grill Team.

Earlier he said: "I've had a pretty bad run through the separation ... I've tried to keep it as peaceful as possible."

A woman claiming to be a former girlfriend also phoned Triple M.

She told listeners she had been friends with Mr Fox for "quite some time" and was his girlfriend for a period during the two years he has spent battling various authorities.

"I was with him for a lot of the time when he was trying to get in contact with DOCS [the Department of Community Services] and the police, purely because his kids were in danger every day," the woman, who did not give her name, told the Grill Team.

A spokesperson for Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward said she would not be commenting on the incident as this case had not been raised with DOCS.

Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Owen said DOCS was not involved with Mr Fox's case.

"The personal circumstances were very complex around this individual [but] it was not a DOCS matter," Deputy Commissioner Owens said.

The woman described Mr Fox as a "very straightforward kind of a guy who will do anything he can for his kids".

"They're the most important thing in his life and he's willing to do anything for them and obviously going up on the bridge, it's the next step that he felt he had to take," the woman said.

"He's the type of guy who really wouldn't care if he got charged, if he got put in jail, he wouldn't care," she continued.

"Even if he doesn't end up being able to get his kids [himself], he needs to get his kids out of their situation with their mother right now, because they are in danger every day that they are with her."

As for his claimed military background, Mr Fox told Triple M he had regularly climbed the bridge's southern pylons during training exercises "a few years back".

A woman named Dell, who said she was a friend and neighbour, said Mr Fox was a former special forces soldier who had served in Iraq.


Mr Fox made reference to serving overseas when asked whether he had tried going to the support group Dads in Distress.

"Blokes can get pretty proud, you don't necessarily reach out for help," he said on Triple M.

"I've been tarred by combat in over four continents so that's not the route that I've chosen but I do encourage others to go there."

The Department of Defence said that at this stage it was "not aware of his status" in the Australian Defence Force.

The woman also told the station he would not have intended to harm anyone during the protest.

"He's very, very, trained in what he does, and he knew exactly what he was doing and the last thing he would do would be endanger anybody else," she said.

Mr Fox said he left a note in his white truck asking police to close the bridge to ensure public safety.

"I do have un-lanyarded equipment with me which poses a hazard to any motorist underneath and I don't want anyone to get hurt in this," he said.


Its only slightly curious, i know... some merely criminal explanation will probably emerge. But i wanted to log it somewhere, in case any sort of pattern emerges with other 'desperate dads'..
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby elfismiles » Sat May 21, 2011 9:25 am

It reminds me of something I saw and learned from back when Shrubya was Guvna ... I was caught up in bumper to bumper traffic for hours one day trying to go north on IH-35 (Devil's HiWay / Serial Killer Alley) past downtown Austin.

It turned out that a suicidal man was threatening to jump from the 11th street overpass onto IH-35. Now mind you, this fall was not likely of sufficient height to kill him but of course the police had diverted traffic onto the access road and snarled up thousands of people for miles in all directions.

And it was that day that it occurred to me just how easy it is for ONE PERSON to effect so many through an act that nowadays is increasingly looked at as "terrorism".

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Flash forward to the Critical Mass biking protests I've been caught up in and, as much as I admire them for doing it, it ALWAYS pisses off and endangers everyone around them, it has seemed the couple times I've been engulfed in their parade.

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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat May 21, 2011 9:51 am

Considering that guy is associated with the Nomads and a pissed off father, and he didn't actually go ballistic with violence as far as I know ... that story got my attention.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sat May 21, 2011 12:06 pm

Are biker gangs in Australia normally violent? I know in America their reputation is for selling meth and stabbing people at concerts, while around here their reputation is more along the lines of plump middle-aged accountants having a jolly in all the proper safety gear.

Anyway, I support disruptive acts of non-violent civil disobedience.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby semper occultus » Sat May 21, 2011 4:17 pm

how was he attired ?

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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby wintler2 » Sat May 21, 2011 6:46 pm

semper occultus wrote:how was he attired ?

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Joe Hillshoist wrote:Considering that guy is associated with the Nomads and a pissed off father, and he didn't actually go ballistic with violence as far as I know ... that story got my attention.

No violence at all that i heard of, and along with the excellent PR, it was very slick from start to finish. Too slick for a solo amateur?

Since when did bikies start making pleas for public sympathy?
Is it inconceivable that guy was simply a hired hand for the day, pushing the Mens Rights barrow?
Do any of the UK 'superhero' dads have army and biker links?
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby wintler2 » Sat May 21, 2011 6:59 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:Are biker gangs in Australia normally violent?

Oh yes, especially when business requires it, and the Nomads have ongoing feud with Banditos and other rival gangs over drug import and trade, i believe. Plenty of bashings and firebombings, the odd shooting... one Hells Angels biker was beaten to death in Arrival lounge at Sydney airport last year. Old farts who 'love the romance' and dress up like bikers need to grow up and find a clue, imho.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby semper occultus » Sat May 21, 2011 7:02 pm

I'm not aware of any.....but they will have earned themselves a nice big fat MI5 file after this little stunt

Blair hit during Commons protest

Wednesday, 19 May, 2004

A major review of security is under way after condoms full of purple flour were thrown at Tony Blair as he faced MPs in the House of Commons....
Campaign group Fathers 4 Justice claimed responsibility. Two men aged 50 and 36 have been arrested.

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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat May 21, 2011 8:12 pm

wintler2 wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:Are biker gangs in Australia normally violent?

Oh yes, especially when business requires it, and the Nomads have ongoing feud with Banditos and other rival gangs over drug import and trade, i believe. Plenty of bashings and firebombings, the odd shooting... one Hells Angels biker was beaten to death in Arrival lounge at Sydney airport last year. Old farts who 'love the romance' and dress up like bikers need to grow up and find a clue, imho.


Nah man the old farts are all right. There is a club of old bikers, not affiliated with any criminal activity, and all they do is get together and ride their bikes. They might be called Ulysses or something. I can't remember. But they are an organisation thats (afaik) only dedicated to getting together and riding and raising money for charity.

Bikers in NSW and SA are treated the same as terrorists these days, legally anyway. Tho I don't necessarily approve of what they get into I approve less of the anti biker laws we have these days.

Since when did bikies start making pleas for public sympathy?


Since they were saddled with some pretty fascist laws wrt being bikers.

Dunno if you saw this National press Club address:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5317461 ... egislation

It was pretty funny watching these huge, "scary" bikers at the National Press Club.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun May 22, 2011 4:11 am

wintler2 wrote:Since when did bikies start making pleas for public sympathy?
Is it inconceivable that guy was simply a hired hand for the day, pushing the Mens Rights barrow?
Do any of the UK 'superhero' dads have army and biker links?


Well, the leader of Fathers4Justice, Matt O'Connor I think his name was, he was a long time member of CND and a former student radical. That seems to be the sort of thing that's more common.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby wintler2 » Sun May 22, 2011 7:23 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:..a long time member of CND and a former student radical. ..

..which could easily be the CV of a State or privately employed cop, given the multiyear alibi's worked up by spies/provocateurs (eg. Mark Kennedy).


'Fathers Rights' groups here in Vic share at least some members with the far-right Citizens Electoral Council, i've talked to them at big demo's where they circulate looking for recruits. One of these FR groups got alot of attention here in Melb when they started parading (in black uniforms IIRC) outside the family court when one of their number had a case hearing. Counter-demo's were rapidly organised and wildly successful, and the FR mob stopped coming.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby wintler2 » Sun May 22, 2011 7:37 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:..Bikers in NSW and SA are treated the same as terrorists these days, legally anyway. Tho I don't necessarily approve of what they get into I approve less of the anti biker laws we have these days.

I'll have to watch that vid Joe. I'm against the framing of special laws aimed at biker clubs, but more personally concerned about the organised crime food chain that i think bikers are part of. Obviously not all or maybe even most bike clubs are involved in crime, but i think the legit ones provide camoflage by coining a naive version of 'outlaw' and hence aren't helping. But i admit to knowing little about bikers apart from what i hear.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun May 22, 2011 8:01 am

wintler2 wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:..a long time member of CND and a former student radical. ..

..which could easily be the CV of a State or privately employed cop, given the multiyear alibi's worked up by spies/provocateurs (eg. Mark Kennedy).


Could be, could be. I mean all they do is protest against unjust state actions by harassing government ministers, throwing paint tins at government offices and so on, but I suppose that could in some bizarre way be somehow helping some villains.

From wikipedia:

During January 2006 the British newspaper The Sun published a story in which it claimed fringe F4J members planned to kidnap Leo Blair, the young son of former Prime Minister Tony Blair 'for a few hours as a symbolic gesture'. The police said they were aware of such a plan, but added it had probably never progressed beyond the "chattering stage".[13] Downing Street refused to confirm or deny the existence of a plot as it does not comment on matters concerning the Prime Minister's children.

Fathers 4 Justice founder Matt O'Connor condemned the alleged plot and threatened to shut down the group because of it. Within days, Fathers 4 Justice had been disbanded.[14]


So, in short, The Sun which is a Murdoch rag made up a story (although some of the F4J crowd believed they'd been infiltrated by government provocateurs) and were backed by groundless statements from the police and the government. The disbanding didn't last long, they got back together, disbanded again and are now the New Fathers4Justice and the Real Fathers4Justice.
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby elfismiles » Sun May 22, 2011 10:30 am

wintler2 wrote:
semper occultus wrote:how was he attired ?

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Joe Hillshoist wrote:Considering that guy is associated with the Nomads and a pissed off father, and he didn't actually go ballistic with violence as far as I know ... that story got my attention.

No violence at all that i heard of, and along with the excellent PR, it was very slick from start to finish. Too slick for a solo amateur?

Since when did bikies start making pleas for public sympathy?
Is it inconceivable that guy was simply a hired hand for the day, pushing the Mens Rights barrow?
Do any of the UK 'superhero' dads have army and biker links?


Well... he IS rather ruggedly handsome.

EDIT: And "sponsored" by Addidas? 8) Image
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Re: One curious 'desperate dad'

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun May 22, 2011 12:49 pm

This world is TOTALLY biased in favour of FATHERS and I'm sick of it! This whole discussion is ruining RI!!! For once, why don't you men quit your bitching and talk about serious things like Fukushima and Osama Bin Laden? Jesus Christ.. stop attacking women for every little thing. Matriarchy, yeah right! This thread is going to turn into a tarbaby and engulf everyone till none of us is free to speak our minds any more for fear of the PC police!

I have no trouble navigating sexual politics IRL, by the way and I don't see a point in going over it here.
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