Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

[psynapz]

I would only like to point out that AJ said DMT elves ordered the Large Hadron Collider to be built.

Well, the atom bomb was conceived in a U.S. government lab by a team of scientists and mathematicians who would hold regular meetings on the project where you were not welcome unless you were tripping on acid.

So you really never fucking know with these things.

I've never heard of that before, do you he a source on that?

Seconded, it doesn't seem possible to me, though I could be wrong.

Thanks for asking... Sadly upon reflection, I don't remember exactly where I read it, but I'm quite sure it was a Robert Anton Wilson book in the Cosmic Trigger series, though I haven't been able to find it in Volume I, the only one immediately handy to me. An OCR'd (text-searchable) version is downloadable here on bibliotecapleyades if anyone else wants to take a crack and finding what I recall to be a passing reference to scientists and/or mathematicians at either Berkeley or Livermore National Labs who would hold regular theoretical development meetings or brainstorming sessions regarding the Manhattan Project where you were either expected to be or not welcome if you weren't tripping on acid. I'm sure I didn't make it up out of thin air, but it's disappointing I can't find my reference yet. Will keep looking as time permits.

uh oh, looks like http://www.american-buddha.com is off line.
maybe it's in the book, "ACID DREAMS, THE COMPLETE SOCIAL HISTORY OF LSD: THE CIA, THE SIXTIES, AND BEYOND" ?

Thanks Drew, I found that same result searching [manhattan project lsd] but the site came up fine for me. It's paged so I haven't been through the whole thing, but the prologue features this statement which is unfortunately contradictory to my assertion:

Dr. Ralph Metzner, the third member of the Harvard triumvirate, suggested that the appearance of LSD constituted nothing less than a turning point in human evolution. It was no coincidence, he maintained, that Dr. Hofmann discovered the effects of LSD shortly after the first nuclear chain reaction was achieved by the Manhattan Project.

I'll follow-up on this as soon as I can. In the meantime, I welcome any correlative or conflicting references.

I really hope that psynapz will have a conversation with me in spite of [wintler2] trying to get in the middle and wedge it out of control.

Sorry, did I miss something? I'll have a conversation with you anytime, you beautiful soul.

[brainpanhandler]

I view it with extreme solemnity that the North American native population was not honoured - that their wisdom was utterly discounted and their traditions systematically dismantled.

Just last week I was talking with a native american acquaintance and during the course of our rambling conversation he explained that there were tribes which the european invaders believed did not have written language, but which did. It was hidden from them. And that to this day the written record of their history, including treaties with the europeans, is still hidden away somewhere "where no one will ever find it until the time is right". By "when the time is right" he was referring to the record of broken treaties and reinvoking them and demanding they be honored. I found the idea that westerners are still officially unaware that these written languages and historical records exist fascinating.

[Canadian_watcher]

I really hope that psynapz will have a conversation with me in spite of [wintler2] trying to get in the middle and wedge it out of control.

Sorry, did I miss something? I'll have a conversation with you anytime, you beautiful soul.

whoops! My bad - it was undead I was thinking of. (I got caught by the monochromatic avatars you both have)
Thank you for that wonderful compliment by the way!

[vanlose kid]

I threw this out there a while back and no one took me up on it, but I'm curious as to any takes anyone has on it..

What is the purpose for the destruction/hoarding of knowledge by the elite? I'm thinking particularly of the crusades, sacking of Alexandria, expunging and execution of shaman/witches etc ..

probably for pretty much the same reasons NBC secrets are guarded/hidden, etc. gives those who have the knowledge/harbor the secrets an edge.

it's the same re consciousness. if, as the reductionist/materialists say, there is no consciousness then you cannot be manipulated. if there is no self, it cannot be fractured and divided against you. if there is no soul then human beings are nothing but biological automata, to be dealt with as such. for the strict materialist, there seem to be few here, if any, there is no value, only untitlity and expedience. solves a lot of ethical problems for the materialist in that those problems simply go away. if a unit (human being) does not function rationally/efficiently/scientifically according to the program then it can be reprogrammed (e.g. Maoist reeducation camps) or scrapped.

if there is lack of knowledge of manipulation (the possibilites, means, and methods) then there is no way of countering it. no way even of speaking of it. no language.

if there is no knowledge of biological weapons and their construction there is no idea of their existence when used against one, and no way to even formulate the idea of cooking up an anti-dote or eliminating the threat and its agents.

the point of martial arts, one of them, is to learn how to move so that you are not moved, or able to realize that you are being moved. if you don't know the moves (how to move) the one who does know can move you as he or she sees fit. the same goes with knowledge: language, thought, rhetoric, argument (cf., the reference to the Trivium above).

then again, logic (structure), mathematics (language) treats of what can be said, e.g. mathematics is one way of modelling the world. what it can say about the world can be said clearly. what it can't, it can't. (think of the various geometries or possible systems of numbers or measurement. is there a true--one and only--geometry, number system, system of measurement?) these are tools. they have their uses, sure, but there are limits. you can't boil an egg with a hammer.

other knowledge, secrets. for much of western history everything began in Athens. for much of western history, historical fact is that which is recorded/written. (cf., the mention of tribes without a system of writing above, and consider their treatment.) if it is not written down there is "no historical record". oral history is discounted as myth, by definition.

the same problem persists in a different sense. if it can't be dug up in an FOIA request it didn't happen. and much of what can be dug up needs corroboration: a whislte-blower of some sort to tie the disparate documents together and give them coherence. imagine having in your possession the entire set of ledgers of the british empire, and having no idea there was one. what use would these ledgers have? what sense could one make of them? (e.g. if Josephus never mentioned Jesus how could he possibly have existed?)

i remember reading somewhere that the existence of the british empire is practically a hypothesis. it had no logos, nor letterheads, nor central body. its existence can't in the strictest sense be proven. but the hypothesis or assumption helps explain a lot of things. there's much you can undermine if your demands for evidence (for what you count as evidence) are strict. think of MK-Ultra and the like. did any of it happen? can one trust oral testimony? as a counter example, think of the revisionists take on the holocaust: their main contention is "where is the evidence?" they set the bar and discount what they deem beneath it. at some point they might even manage to "prove" that it never happened.

if european conquerors measure civilization in terms of written languages then tribes without one are by definition uncivilized. they don't meet the standard of treatment applicable to equals. they are without souls, are irrational, belong on a lower rung of the evolutionary tree, etc.

if a e.g. tribe, a people, an individual, has a moral code that is not rational, that derives say, from their professed relation to a Deity and their perceived role in that relation, say, as wardens of the earth (as the native americans would have it), they are clearly irrational, and their beliefs, their code, their culture, etc., count for nothing. and even when they do count for something they remain less than scientific. which is expedient for those who would guide them to the right and rational view seeing as they are ignorant of the truth and in obvious need of guidance, of scientific management even.

end rant.

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edit: if there is no consciousness then there is no conscience. only calculation, if that. and no systems of values other than economics. [it simplifies a lot of things, if your mythical and non-existent conscience can live with it.]

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[Wombaticus Rex]

"Security by Obscurity" really does work as long as you're willing to kill people.

[Stephen Morgan]

What is the purpose for the destruction/hoarding of knowledge by the elite? I'm thinking particularly of the crusades, sacking of Alexandria, expunging and execution of shaman/witches etc ..

I think they just want us to think they have secret technical knowledge, or at least that's how it was. They were always seeking the likes of Cagliostro who claimed to have secret knowledge. Most of whom were trouble-makers and fraudsters.

The crusades probably led to a net increase in knowledge by promoting links between Greek, Roman and Islamic spheres, and by expanding international trade and civilisation into the Baltic states, probably a net gain.

Alexandria was pretty much done for long before it was ever sacked. Much more damage was done by the Romans' attack on Carthage, Mauretania, and so on.

Obviously, the witches were just a bunch of murderous criminals quite rightly targeted for prosecution.

i remember reading somewhere that the existence of the british empire is practically a hypothesis. it had no logos, nor letterheads, nor central body. its existence can't in the strictest sense be proven. but the hypothesis or assumption helps explain a lot of things. there's much you can undermine if your demands for evidence (for what you count as evidence) are strict. think of MK-Ultra and the like. did any of it happen? can one trust oral testimony? as a counter example, think of the revisionists take on the holocaust: their main contention is "where is the evidence?" they set the bar and discount what they deem beneath it. at some point they might even manage to "prove" that it never happened.

Well, the British empire is a matter of interpretation, officially India was the Empire, the rest is only an Empire colloquially.

[wordspeak2]

"Well, the atom bomb was conceived in a U.S. government lab by a team of scientists and mathematicians who would hold regular meetings on the project where you were not welcome unless you were tripping on acid."

I'm doubting this, psynapz. Sounds like an urban legend type of thing. LSD was just discovered a few years before the Manhattan Project- was it even in the U.S.'s hands yet? Sandoz didn't market it until 1947 (post-Manhattan Project).

Anyway,
"If I could just bring one of these little things back, nothing would ever be the same again."

yeah, that.

[JackRiddler]

I threw this out there a while back and no one took me up on it, but I'm curious as to any takes anyone has on it..

What is the purpose for the destruction/hoarding of knowledge by the elite? I'm thinking particularly of the crusades, sacking of Alexandria, expunging and execution of shaman/witches etc ..

I don't see a pattern in your examples to suggest an unknown purpose. They're conquests of defined enemies by empires, religions or classes. Alexander burned Persepolis to the ground and Rome did the same to Carthage to destroy and uproot a competing civilization. As for hoarding knowledge, that's all about power, isn't it? A literate class (or nowadays a class cleared to know essential information) has the advantage over those barred from literacy. (See Dogtooth again!) Why are slaves barred from learning to read, or to play the drums? Is it a mystery?

[barracuda]

The destruction of the Library of Alexandria was, in all probablility, an accident. Most sources agree that Julius Caesar inadvertently caused a firestorm during the course of his battle against Achillas. A more pointed example might be the destruction of the antiquities of Iraq during the recent invasion, which was almost certainly an effort to dilute or erase the historical importance of the ancient indigenous culture as a way of imposing the hegemony of Americanism upon the area. This technique has been used for thousands of years for patently political purposes.

But accidents do happen, and the primary and original objects and knowledge which act as cultural signposts get lost or destroyed throughout history. Much of what we have and know culturally is derived from the mere indexical traces that primary discoveries have left upon the world in the form of recreations and lesser copies: footprints in the sand. (The entire discipline of archaeology is based upon digging culture out of the layers of accumulated dirt.) Sculptural examples of such lost information might include the Athena Parthenos and the Discobolus, the former of which we only can revisualize from commemorative images on coins and such. It was destroyed because the value of the statue's substance was determined to be greater than the value of its meaning. This idea may be applied metaphorically as well as literally, I think.

[JackRiddler]

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barracuda: yes, more or less, on the lot of it. Maybe the reference was not to the library fire in the battle during the Roman civil wars but the repeated sackings and plunderings of the library four centuries later by Christian mobs? That would be in line with the usual total uprooting of the enemy by the winning fanatics.

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[justdrew]

new word: Gnosiclasm. Like iconoclasm but for knowledge rather than just symbolic representations.

[vanlose kid]

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barracuda: yes, more or less, on the lot of it. Maybe the reference was not to the library fire in the battle during the Roman civil wars but the repeated sackings and plunderings of the library four centuries later by Christian mobs? That would be in line with the usual total uprooting of the enemy by the winning fanatics.

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sketchy...

Decree of Theodosius, destruction of the Serapeum in 391

Paganism was made illegal by an edict of the Emperor Theodosius I in 391. The holdings of the Great Library (both at the Mouseion and at the Serapeum) were on the precincts of pagan temples. While this had previously lent them a measure of protection, in the days of the Christian Roman Empire, whatever protection this had previously afforded them had ceased.[1] The temples of Alexandria were closed by Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria in AD 391.[26]

Socrates of Constantinople provides the following account of the destruction of the temples in Alexandria, in the fifth book of his Historia Ecclesiastica, written around 440:

“ At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. ... Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples.[27] ”

The Serapeum housed part of the Great Library, but it is not known how many, if any, books were contained in it at the time of destruction. Notably, the passage by Socrates makes no clear reference to a library or its contents, only to religious objects. An earlier text by the historian Ammianus Marcellinus indicates that, whatever books might earlier have been housed at the Serapeum, none was there in the last decade of the 4th century. The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library. When Orosius discusses the destruction of the Great Library at the time of Caesar in the sixth book of his History against the Pagans, he writes:

“ So perished that marvelous monument of the literary activity of our ancestors, who had gathered together so many great works of brilliant geniuses. In regard to this, however true it may be that in some of the temples there remain up to the present time book chests, which we ourselves have seen, and that, as we are told, these were emptied by our own men in our own day when these temples were plundered—this statement is true enough—yet it seems fairer to suppose that other collections had later been formed to rival the ancient love of literature, and not that there had once been another library which had books separate from the four hundred thousand volumes mentioned, and for that reason had escaped destruction. [28]”

Thus Orosius laments the pillaging of libraries within temples in 'his own time' by 'his own men' and compares it to the destruction of the Great Library destroyed at the time of Julius Caesar. He is certainly referring to the destruction of the Pagan temples of Alexandria as these were destroyed during his lifetime, and seeing as his book entitled "Against the Pagans" was a defense of Christianity, "our men" must surely refer to the Christians who were ordered to destroy the Pagan temples. Whilst he admits that the accusations of plunder are “true enough”, he then suggests that the books in question were not copies of those that had been housed at the Great Library, but rather new books "to rival the ancient love of literature".

As for the Museum, Mostafa El-Abbadi writes in Life and Fate of the Ancient Library of Alexandria (1990):

“ The Mouseion, [sic] being at the same time a 'shrine of the Muses', enjoyed a degree of sanctity as long as other pagan temples remained unmolested. Synesius of Cyrene, who studied under Hypatia at the end of the fourth century, saw the Mouseion and described the images of the philosophers in it. We have no later reference to its existence in the fifth century. As Theon, the distinguished mathematician and father of Hypatia, herself a renowned scholar, was the last recorded scholar-member (c. 380), it is likely that the Mouseion did not long survive the promulgation of Theodosius' decree in 391 to destroy all pagan temples in the city.[29] ”

John Julius Norwich, in his work Byzantium: The Early Centuries, places the destruction of the library's collection during the anti-Arian riots in Alexandria that transpired after the imperial decree of 391 (p. 314). No ancient sources confirm—or even suggest—such an event. Edward Gibbon claimed that the Library of Alexandria was destroyed by Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, who ordered the destruction of the Serapeum in 391.[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of ... eum_in_391

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[Stephen Morgan]

I threw this out there a while back and no one took me up on it, but I'm curious as to any takes anyone has on it..

What is the purpose for the destruction/hoarding of knowledge by the elite? I'm thinking particularly of the crusades, sacking of Alexandria, expunging and execution of shaman/witches etc ..

I don't see a pattern in your examples to suggest an unknown purpose. They're conquests of defined enemies by empires, religions or classes. Alexander burned Persepolis to the ground and Rome did the same to Carthage to destroy and uproot a competing civilization. As for hoarding knowledge, that's all about power, isn't it? A literate class (or nowadays a class cleared to know essential information) has the advantage over those barred from literacy. (See Dogtooth again!) Why are slaves barred from learning to read, or to play the drums? Is it a mystery?

Play the drums?

Anyway, it was Thais that burned Persepolis.

The destruction of the Library of Alexandria was, in all probablility, an accident. Most sources agree that Julius Caesar inadvertently caused a firestorm during the course of his battle against Achillas.

The accounts of all of the many alleged destructions of the Library are dubious. Not that the Library was anything special anyway.

A more pointed example might be the destruction of the antiquities of Iraq during the recent invasion, which was almost certainly an effort to dilute or erase the historical importance of the ancient indigenous culture as a way of imposing the hegemony of Americanism upon the area. This technique has been used for thousands of years for patently political purposes.

I don't think so. The stuff might have been stolen for money or ritual purposes, but I don't see any reason to believe what you've suggested.

But accidents do happen, and the primary and original objects and knowledge which act as cultural signposts get lost or destroyed throughout history.

Destroying old landmarks is a sin. Damn you geocities.

Much of what we have and know culturally is derived from the mere indexical traces that primary discoveries have left upon the world in the form of recreations and lesser copies: footprints in the sand. (The entire discipline of archaeology is based upon digging culture out of the layers of accumulated dirt.) Sculptural examples of such lost information might include the Athena Parthenos and the Discobolus, the former of which we only can revisualize from commemorative images on coins and such. It was destroyed because the value of the statue's substance was determined to be greater than the value of its meaning. This idea may be applied metaphorically as well as literally, I think.

See also the chryselephantine Zeus by Phidias, and the Colossus of Rhodes, two of the seven wonders of the world which were melted down for scrap.

[barracuda]

A more pointed example might be the destruction of the antiquities of Iraq during the recent invasion, which was almost certainly an effort to dilute or erase the historical importance of the ancient indigenous culture as a way of imposing the hegemony of Americanism upon the area. This technique has been used for thousands of years for patently political purposes.

I don't think so. The stuff might have been stolen for money or ritual purposes, but I don't see any reason to believe what you've suggested.

What reason do you have to believe otherwise?

U.S. Base Damages Ancient Babylonian Temple

US government implicated in planned theft of Iraqi artistic treasures

The impact of war on Iraq's cultural heritage

The ancient Babylonian city of Ur is now located within the security perimeter for US Ali Air Base

And on and on...

[Canadian_watcher]

It is pretty difficult to pin down who burned the library and when.. and I'm more on Morgan's side wrt the recent Iraq invasion.

Doing some research in between other duties at the moment so I hope to post more on all this later