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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby crikkett » Sun May 29, 2011 11:15 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

All sources are military, one wonders how much of all this is true and in context.

Despite several violent outbursts and a diagnosis of adjustment disorder, a condition that meant he was showing difficulty adjusting to military life,
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Eyewitness accounts by soldiers who served with him there and friends in the US who spoke to the Guardian paint a picture of an increasingly unstable and at times violent man.

One soldier who served with him describes him "blowing up and punching this chick in the face".



Manning suffered low Spiritual Fitness.

on edit: adding that Manning resolved his cognitive dissonance in the worst possible way (in the Army's POV anyway.) It could be, that stupid program was developed to prevent future Manning-type events.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Nordic » Sun May 29, 2011 1:56 pm

Yes, of course, Hugh, there were absolutely NO militaristic connections between the idea of Thor, and Odin, and the modern military, until this movie came out!

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PBS Hacked in Retribution for Frontline Wikileaks Episode

Postby MinM » Mon May 30, 2011 9:21 pm

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Frontline certainly seemed to be determined to put Assange and Manning in the worst possible light. While at the same time they were not very circumspect of Adrian Lamo and his friends at Wired. Certainly not as circumspect as Glenn Greenwald was...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 45#p404545

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The PBS.org website, and data associated with the PBS television network, its programs, and its affiliate stations, appear to have just been hacked by an entity calling itself LulzSec. The information compromised and published appears to include network, server, and database details and logins, as well as user login data for some PBS staff and contractors who access the PBS network.

They identify themselves as unrelated to "Anonymous". According to the tweets, the intrusion is in retribution for the recent "Wikisecrets" episode on Wikileaks, which was perceived by Wikileaks and its supporters to be unfair to Wikileaks.

Greetings, Internets. We just finished watching WikiSecrets and were less than impressed. We decided to sail our Lulz Boat over to the PBS servers for further... perusing. As you should know by now, not even that fancy-ass fortress from the third shitty Pirates of the Caribbean movie (first one was better!) can withhold our barrage of chaos and lulz. Anyway, unnecessary sequels aside... wait, actually: second and third Matrix movies sucked too! Anyway, say hello to the insides of the PBS servers, folks. They best watch where they're sailing next time...
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Plutonia » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:46 am

"BRADLEY MANNING--GAY HERO. Huge banner at San Francisco Pride parade today. Turning Point?"

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:22 am

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Hugh, Odin has been the king of the Norse gods in the Thor comic for about 40 years -- and, obviously, a name for Wotan dating back what, 1400 years?

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:34 am

FUCK YES! Again, Im sad I missed Pride in SF today.

Manning to me is the poster boy for peace/anti war and true patriotism.

Finally. Ive seen so many "gay" blogs call Manning a traitor. Manning is not only a hero to the gay community but a hero to all freedom loving true patriots everywhere.
I fully believe the government is tormenting this young guy because of his sexuality. I mean he's having his life taken from him for simply exposing the Bush-Obama globalist war crimes caught on tape and paper? Man I hate this country sometimes.

I feel sick and angered seeing so many so called "liberals" online defame and attack Manning. Freeing Manning and raising awareness is a cause I definitely feel is extremely important, and I want to know what good things can be done to raise awareness.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:03 pm

June 30, 2011

Prosecutions Up, Transparency Down
Obama's War on Whistleblowers

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby StarmanSkye » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:42 pm

Anyone who attacks and defames Manning is nothing but a fake-ass liberal who is betraying the most basic principles of America by condemning a heroic act and defying rule of law, accusing someone in the absence of ANY evidence.

Sometimes I absolutely LOATHE the cowardly, intellect-deficient public who don't have a clue about what is real and important. 'Idiots' is being too kind.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Plutonia » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:21 pm

Iraq War veteran on Manning, the media and the military
By Glenn Greenwald

Iraq War veteran on Manning, the media and the military
Credit is AP/YouTube


(updated below)

Last week, New York Magazine published a somewhat tabloidy profile of Bradley Manning by Steven Fishman, focusing on the purported personal and psychological aspects of his life as a means of understanding his alleged leaking, and I responded to it the following day. Now there is another response that I hope as many people as possible read; with permission, I'm publishing it in its entirety below. It's by former Army Specialist Ethan McCord, who served in Bravo Company 2-16, the ground troops involved in the "Collateral Murder" video released by Wikileaks in April of last year and allegedly leaked by Manning (McCord can be seen in the video carrying the wounded children from the bullet riddled van). Just consider what Spc. McCord says about Manning ("a hero of mine"), the media coverage of these leaks, and what all of this reveals about American wars and how we're propagandized about them:

Serving with my unit 2nd battalion 16th infantry in New Baghdad Iraq, I vividly remember the moment in 2007, when our Battalion Commander walked into the room and announced our new rules of engagement:

"Listen up, new battalion SOP (standing operating procedure) from now on: Anytime your convoy gets hit by an IED, I want 360 degree rotational fire. You kill every [expletive] in the street!"

We weren't trained extensively to recognize an unlawful order, or how to report one. But many of us could not believe what we had just been told to do. Those of us who knew it was morally wrong struggled to figure out a way to avoid shooting innocent civilians, while also dodging repercussions from the non-commissioned officers who enforced the policy. In such situations, we determined to fire our weapons, but into rooftops or abandoned vehicles, giving the impression that we were following procedure.

On April 5, 2010 American citizens and people around the world got a taste of the fruits of this standing operating procedure when WikiLeaks released the now-famous Collateral Murder video. This video showed the horrific and wholly unnecessary killing of unarmed Iraqi civilians and Reuters journalists.

I was part of the unit that was responsible for this atrocity. In the video, I can be seen attempting to carry wounded children to safety in the aftermath.

The video released by WikiLeaks belongs in the public record. Covering up this incident is a matter deserving of criminal inquiry. Whoever revealed it is an American hero in my book.

Private First Class Bradley Manning has been confined for over a year on the government’s accusation that he released this video and volumes of other classified documents to WikiLeaks -- an organization that has been selectively publishing portions of this information in collaboration with other news outlets.

If PFC Bradley Manning did what he is accused of doing, then it is clear -- from chat logs that have been attributed to him -- that his decision was motivated by conscience and political agency. These chat logs allegedly describe how PFC Manning hopes these revelations will result in "worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms."

Unfortunately, Steve Fishman's article Bradley Manning's Army of One in New York Magazine (July 3, 2011) erases Manning’s political agency. By focusing so heavily on Manning's personal life, Fishman removes politics from a story that has everything to do with politics. The important public issues wrapped up with PFC Manning’s case include: transparency in government; the Obama Administration's unprecedented pursuit of whistle-blowers; accountability of government and military in shaping and carrying out foreign policy; war crimes revealed in the WikiLeaks documents; the catalyzing role these revelations played in democratic movements across the Middle East; and more.

The contents of the WikiLeaks revelations have pulled back the curtain on the degradation of our democratic system. It has become completely normal for decision-makers to promulgate foreign policies, diplomatic strategies, and military operating procedures that are hostile to the democratic ideals our country was founded upon. The incident I was part of -- shown in the Collateral Murder video -- becomes even more horrific when we grasp that it was not exceptional. PFC Manning himself is alleged to describe (in the chat logs) an incident where he was ordered to turn over innocent Iraqi academics to notorious police interrogators, for the offense of publishing a political critique of government corruption titled, "Where did the money go?" These issues deserve "discussion, debates, and reforms" -- and attention from journalists.

Fishman's article was also ignorant of the realities of military service. Those of us who serve in the military are often lauded as heroes. Civilians need to understand that we may be heroes, but we are not saints. We are young people under a tremendous amount of stress. We face moral dilemmas that many civilians have never even contemplated hypothetically.

Civil society honors military service partly because of the sacrifice it entails. Lengthy and repeated deployments stress our closest relationships with family and friends. The realities, traumas, and stresses of military life take an emotional toll. This emotional battle is part of the sacrifice that we honor. That any young soldier might wrestle with his or her experiences in the military, or with his or her identity beyond military life, should never be wielded as a weapon against them.

If PFC Bradley Manning did what he is accused of, he is a hero of mine; not because he's perfect or because he never struggled with personal or family relationships -- most of us do -- but because in the midst of it all he had the courage to act on his conscience.


Shortly after the Collateral Murder video was released, I interviewed McCord's fellow Specialist in that company, Josh Stieber, who said much the same about what this video revealed: as he put it, what was depicted in that video "is a very common occurrence" (that interview with Stieber took place just days after a Democratic Party loyalist-warcheerleading-chickenhawk invoked trite Rovian demonizing rhetoric to accuse me of hating The Troops for pointing out the same fact; beyond Stieber and McCord, I have lots of strange company when it comes to making this observation about American wars).

This view of Manning as heroic by a fellow Iraq War veteran is hardly surprising; after all, some who witness first-hand both the pervasive wrongful conduct in which soldiers are ordered to engage, combined with the passive acquiescence of most who witness and participate in it, will understandably view the leaker of these materials as heroic for taking action to stop it even upon substantial risk to their own liberty and possibly life. As I wrote last week about Fishman's article:

The notion that [Manning's] reactions to wholly unjustified, massive blood-spilling is psychologically warped is itself warped. The reactions described there are psychologically healthy; it's far more psychologically disturbed not to have the reactions Manning had. There are countless people who knew from the start, or who ultimately concluded, that the Iraq War was an act of supreme barbarism. Many who so concluded -- especially among our political and media elite -- did nothing to stop it or bring accountability for those who caused it; Manning, by stark and commendable contrast, took action. Which is the psychologically suspect behavior? Manning was clearly motivated by the principle attributed by the New York article to Julian Assange, but espoused by countless heroic activists and philosophers throughout history: "Every time we witness an act that we feel to be unjust and do not act, we become a party to injustice."

The morality at play in the Manning persecution is mangled beyond belief. It's perfectly conventional wisdom that the war in Iraq was an act of profoundly unjust destruction, yet normal, psychologically healthy people are expected to passively accept that there should be no consequences for those responsible (a well-intentioned policy mistake), while one of the very few people to risk his life and liberty to stop it and similar acts is demonized as a mentally ill criminal. Similarly, the numerous acts of corruption, deceit and criminality Manning allegedly exposed are ignored or even sanctioned, while the only punished criminal is -- as usual -- the one who courageously brought those acts to light. Meanwhile, Americans love to cheer for the Arab Spring rebellions -- look at those inspiring people standing up to their evil dictators and demanding freedom -- yet the American government officials who propped up those dictators for decades and helped suppress those revolts, including the ones currently in power, are treated as dignified statesmen, while a person who actually exposed those tyrants and played at least some role in triggering those inspiring revolts (Manning) rots in a prison after enduring 10 months of deeply inhumane treatment.


The same can be said of our other ongoing and escalating wars. McCord's letter was submitted to New York, and that magazine will apparently publish portions of it as a Letter to the Editor; we'll see which portions find the light of day. Either way, the world needs far more of McCord's experience-based observations -- that the U.S. Government routinely engages in pervasive corruption, deceit, and illegality in secret, and those who shed light on it are heroic -- than we do more meandering speculation about Bradley Manning's relationship with his father and struggles with sexuality as a means of degrading this highly political and commendable act into some sort of symptom of emotional instability and mental illness. Those latter afflictions are demonstrated far more by acquiescence to (and support for) these acts and the leaders who perpetrate them than they are by meaningful dissent from and opposition to these policies. Anyone who doubts that should read Ethan McCord's letter.


UPDATE: In the wake of the Pentagon Papers leak, the Nixon White House engeineered a break-in of the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist because depicting him as mentally ill was the strategy of political leaders to discredit him and distract from the substance of his leaks. Now, political leaders need not do that because they have the exceedingly subservient establishment media to do it for them -- hence the front-page publication by The New York Times on the day WikiLeaks released the Iraq War documents of the sleazy hit piece by John Burns depicting Julian Assange as a paranoid, mentally unstable loser, followed by the current media fixation on doing the same to Bradley Manning. The hallmark of political and media establishments is to depict meaningful dissent from its orthodoxies as a form of mental illness, and conversely, acceptance of (or at least acquiescence to) its orthodoxies as a requirement for mental health (even when, as is true now, its orthodoxies are themselves warped and ill).

That tactic is as old as establishments themselves, though it's now most aggressively enforced by the "watchdog" media. It's the media, rather than political leaders, which take the lead in serving most of the interests of the political establishment -- not just by depicting opponents of the political order as mentally ill but also uncritically disseminating its fear-mongering campaigns:

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Plutonia » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:27 pm

Manning friend and supporter David House aka Lockean describes bribe offer from Feds and discovering he is being surveilled on Democracy Now:

http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/7/ ... ing_secret
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Plutonia » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:13 am

Bradley Manning Torture Probe Monitoring By U.S. Violates U.N. Rules: Official

GENEVA -- The United Nations' torture investigator on Tuesday accused the United States of violating U.N. rules by refusing him unfettered access to the Army private accused of passing classified documents to WikiLeaks.

Juan Mendez, the U.N.'s special rapporteur for torture, said he can't do his job unless he has unmonitored access to detainees. He said the U.S. military's insistence on monitoring conversations with Bradley Manning "violates long-standing rules" the U.N. follows for visits to inmates.

Manning has been detained by the U.S. military for most of the past year in a case pitting the U.S. government against advocates of transparency in government. The Army private stands accused of being the source of a trove of sensitive documents about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

He was transferred to a Kansas military prison in April after being confined alone in a cell for 23 hours a day in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia, for eight months after his arrest. He faces about two dozen charges, including aiding the enemy. That charge can bring the death penalty or life in prison.

Mendez said the U.S. government assured him Manning is better treated now than he was in Quantico, but the government must allow the U.N. investigator to check that for himself.

Mendez said he needs to assess whether the conditions Manning experienced amounted to "torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" while at Quantico.

"For that, it is imperative that I talk to Mr. Manning under conditions where I can be assured that he is being absolutely candid," Mendez said.


Pentagon officials have consistently said Manning was being held under appropriate conditions given the seriousness of the charges against him.

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:39 am

Psyops principle: Use your opponents pre-conceptions (momentum and strength) against them.

Decoy bone thrown to progessive media: 'Gay soldier Manning leaks tens of thousands of sensitive cables.'

Meant to hide: David Manning memo of March 2002.

Strategy: Shift focus from Few at Top Plan Illegal War....to "Many at Bottom Blunder into Atrocities'.... duh.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:04 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Psyops principle: Use your opponents pre-conceptions (momentum and strength) against them.

Decoy bone thrown to progessive media: 'Gay soldier Manning leaks tens of thousands of sensitive cables.'

Meant to hide: David Manning memo of March 2002.

Strategy: Shift focus from Few at Top Plan Illegal War....to "Many at Bottom Blunder into Atrocities'.... duh.


Only, he's a real kid named Bradley Manning. Who got sold out and attacked for his sexuality and for doing the right thing. Now he's a scapegoat, but that literally is his real name. He's not some invented psyop
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby crikkett » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:23 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Meant to hide: David Manning memo of March 2002.


the text of said memo:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/manningtext.html

I should play alt-psyops and post all of the things Hugh says the Pentagon wants us to forget.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:47 am

8bitagent wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Psyops principle: Use your opponents pre-conceptions (momentum and strength) against them.

Decoy bone thrown to progessive media: 'Gay soldier Manning leaks tens of thousands of sensitive cables.'

Meant to hide: David Manning memo of March 2002.

Strategy: Shift focus from Few at Top Plan Illegal War....to "Many at Bottom Blunder into Atrocities'.... duh.


Only, he's a real kid named Bradley Manning. Who got sold out and attacked for his sexuality and for doing the right thing. Now he's a scapegoat, but that literally is his real name. He's not some invented psyop


There's NO evidence that Bradley Manning did what the spook media tells us he did. Both his deployment and frame-up coincide with the timing of the Chilcot Inquiry which could have put the spotlight back on the David Manning memo....which would tell the public the truth about fake wars.

IN FACT-

The only source for his alleged chat room 'confession' to an FBI informant....is New York Magazine, a CIA disinfo organ, like most magazines.
New York Magazine feeds it to another spook organ, the Guardian, which puts out video clip profiles of ole Bradley based on anonymous face-pixelated sources who spew tricky subliminal negative framing, a spook fingerprint of cleverness. Like "he wet himself." As in, 'leaking is immature and nasty.'

And any mil-intel operative could have sent stuff to a chat room using Bradley Manning's ID. See the recent articles about how easy this is and, oh, how there was allegedly no cyber-security at the base ole Bradley was stationed at. Allegedly....passwords were left out on post-its for anyone to see, etc.

Didja miss the articles telling us that the Pentagon is 'using software that creates fake identities online for creating chat room consensus?'
Funny how y'all can't work out the validity of evidence and just blindly accept your preconceptions about an alleged whistleblower.

Spooks are smart. They know how to use your weight against you and make you chase thrown bones.
You assume any report of a whistleblower must be real.
You assume that Bradley's gayness validates the story of his persecution.
You assume that because he's locked in solitary....ahem....LOCKED IN SOLITARY....he must've actually done it.

Spooks gave you a bone to chase and let progressive values and assumptions create the haystack around the needle they meant to hide,
the David Manning memo.

Bradley Manning is just another patsy, a Lee Harvey Oswald of infowar. And even the crew at RI falls for the set-up.
My explaining decoy culture and keyword hijacking for the last six years has had little effect on most forum participants. Someday....
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