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by **Inanna04** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:23 am

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana Friday, September 23, 2005 (Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. “This is a significant victory for freedom and for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The court’s ruling is instant relief for the victims who now have an effective means of defending themselves from the robbers and rapists that seek to further exploit the remnants of their shattered lives,” said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre. Joining LaPierre in hailing the U.S. District Court decision was NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox. “This is an important victory. But the battle is not over. The NRA will remedy state emergency statutes in all 50 states, if needed, to ensure that this injustice does not happen again." The controversy erupted when The New York Times reported, the New Orleans superintendent of police directed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns and that “only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons.” ABC News quoted New Orleans’ deputy police chief, saying, “No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons.” The NRA also pledged that it will continue its work to ensure that every single firearm arbitrarily and unlawfully seized under this directive is returned to the rightful law-abiding owner. Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America’s oldest civil rights and sportsmen's group. Four million members strong, NRA continues its mission to uphold Second Amendment rights and to advocate enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation's leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the armed services. <a href="http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539">www.nraila.org/News/Read/...px?ID=6539</a> Why is this good news? Because in several countries around the world, when they instituted gun control, large numbers of people were left defenseless and extermination followed.

by **professorpan** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:13 pm

While I respect the right of people to own guns, I find many of the NRA's campaigns to be despicable.

by **Qutb** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:07 pm

"Why is this good news? Because in several countries around the world, when they instituted gun control, large numbers of people were left defenseless and extermination followed" Care to be more specific about any of those instances? I think that's an old NRA canard. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **Connut** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:54 pm

Here you go, Qutb <a href="http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html">constitutionalistnc.tripo.../id14.html</a>

by **Qutb** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:32 pm

Thanks The Nazi case is a fairly obvious one. I was thinking of other examples. Under ordinary circumstances, I would be an advocate of gun control. In these times, though, I don't know. Gun control is fine when you have a constitutional government which is under effective democratic control. That being said, it is delusional to think that people owning unregistered guns is going to stop the government from doing exactly what they want. Quite the opposite: it's an excuse to use excessive force. Citizens with shotguns versus the 82nd airborne? Come on. If there are people in the US government who want to impose martial law, you can bet they are just waiting for people to start resisting with weapons so they can invoke the Insurection Act and really clamp down. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **Iroquois** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:27 pm

The NRA does a good job of keeping the 2nd ammendment issue polarized by preying on the emotions of both their supporters and their detractors. To their supporters its always this fervent patriotism, the legacy of our founding fathers, etc., etc. At the same time, the heavy handed lobbying and the extreme callousness they present to the pro-gun control groups, particularily in regards to violent crimes involving firearms, demonizes not just them but by association all 2nd ammendment proponents. In a very real way, political power is derived from military power. If the government has a monopology on guns, then any effective opposition to its authority without foreign support is generally limited to factions within the government. If, on the other hand, the centrally controlled military is fairly weak but the citizenry is armed and trained to fight, the people have the power.

by **thumper** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:37 pm

in unrelated news, Zimbabwe is compelling their population to surrender their guns. Rawanda Part II <a href="http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=12207">www.zwnews.com/issuefull....leID=12207</a>

by **thumper** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:41 pm

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/06/14/VI2005061401932.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01932.html</a> And the accompanying article: "Access to firearms is strictly regulated in China, but villagers said the men fired on them with hunting shotguns and flare guns. They also wielded metal pipes fitted with sharp hooks on the end. Because of the preparation, residents suggested the men might have ties to organized crime groups working with local officials." <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/14/AR2005061401542.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01542.html</a>

by **glubglubglub** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:02 pm

Gun control in the US has never been practical -- too many people too strongly attached to their guns, and too many unlicensed guns floating around for good measure -- and as an issue has been used by the republicans to turn the red state "cletii" against the democrats...If, instead of feeding the republican trolls, the dems had done something effective to directly address the roots of the late-70s-80s urban crime wave we might not be in as bad of straights as we are now. Would that the Brady bill had established single payer national health care instead of waiting periods on handgun purchases... At least in the US the pro-gun control crowd has always seemed composed of idealists who conflate a worthwhile goal -- the reduction of violence in general and lethal violence in particular -- with a particular means of attempting to reach that goal, and make the additional logical error in assuming that that means would necessarily have the effect desired... On the other hand, those who think that access to the firearms currently legally purchaseable are sufficient to ensure defense against tyranny are somewhat missing the point -- the gap between military-grade weaponry and civilian weaponry is not what it was in, say, 1776.

by **Qutb** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:59 pm

"If the government has a monopology on guns, then any effective opposition to its authority without foreign support is generally limited to factions within the government. If, on the other hand, the centrally controlled military is fairly weak but the citizenry is armed and trained to fight, the people have the power." Yes, but the US military is not exactly going to be threatened by citizens with shotguns and 9mm's. What's the lesson from Waco? Guns won't do you no good. Your having guns helps them achieve what they want. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **pugzleyca3** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:23 pm

Anything or anyone that causes the upholding of my constitutional rights, whether or not I like the organization behind it or even the right itself that's kept, I'll take it as a victory at this stage in the political game being played out. I'll state up front that I am against gun control. Because it's unconstitutional and that's as far as anyone has to go in defending that right. I'm not a member of the NRA and I disagree with other things I've seen them do. The people in New Orleans being stripped of their legally registered firearms was not right. This is psyops with a lot of waffling going on. Testing to see how soft we are. They found out people were not yet willing to let them take their guns without an argument. They will keep on and on until they do it. That's how they operate, relentlessly. It's not about guns, it's about forcing people to give up a Constitutional right without testing the laws (in court) that are in place and setting an "official" precedence for it, to be drawn upon again and again and of course broadened. If they can get away with it at least once. Taking people's legally registered firearms is so very sybolic and for that very reason, they cannot ever be allowed to do this. They use our emotions and morals and eithics against us to take away rights, any rights, any way they can. It's a process of demoralization and instilling a sense of powerlessness in people.

by **thumper** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:23 pm

Qutb is absolutely right. Give up your guns, and then the government will REALLY listen to you.

by **zangtang** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:35 pm

anybody have the cohones to go to their local 'italian american charitable benefactor entrepreneur' and ask their opinions on it - and their plan of action should it all go FEMA-esgue? hey, its 3:30 over here - just fuckin witcher!!

by **Iroquois** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Yes, but the US military is not exactly going to be threatened by citizens with shotguns and 9mm's. What's the lesson from Waco? Guns won't do you no good. Your having guns helps them achieve what they want.<hr></blockquote> I think of my generalization about the balance of power between a centralized authority and the general population as sort of a sliding scale. The current status quo in the U.S. is that the administration of the federal government has the scales tipped well in their favor. Waco may indeed be a good example of that advantage. I am concerned if the PTB does not feel that this is enough of an advantage for whatever their future plans for us may be. And, did I actually write "monopology"?

by **Inanna** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:24 am

I was going to do a cut and paste job, but I am in too weird of a mood tonight to do so. At any rate, here is a link that outlines both this and biowarfare that's been done. <a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/popcontrolagenda.htm">www.theforbiddenknowledge...agenda.htm</a>

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First Guns, then Radios

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here's a prime example of a disarmed populace

what a can of worms

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^^ should I direct that statement into the wire?

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