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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby sergeant stiletto » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:52 pm

barracuda wrote:
It seems this attack may be domestic in origin.


Or just domestic in it's execution. Who funded it? Did he have a handler? Did someone on a website or in real life push him toward it like those various fellows in Chicago, Miami and the West Coast? How did he gain access to a government building? Where did he get the explosives undetected? How did this guy get from the PM office to the island so quickly? How did he have a police officer's uniform? Where did he get the gun? Why did security on the island fail if pols and dignitaries were scheduled at various times during the event?

No way he acted alone.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby sergeant stiletto » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:55 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Harvey wrote:Guys, this forum has some interesting stuff, Daily Mail are saying this is the guy.

http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1725691
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Think I've seen him before...yeah. A real, um, bomb-thrower-

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Just wow. Add to it the images of a giant "jet engine" on the torn up street in Oslo that turned out to be a smoke fan. And down the rabbit hole we go.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:56 pm

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 12#4 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:58 pm

justdrew wrote:what do we know about the political party that was hosting the island event? I'm not up on Norwegian politics. quick primer anyone? good party, bad party?


The youth movement had some bad ideas about them, to according to the Norsk Israel Center.

And rather unfortunately, as they said in 2002 in response to this statement by AUF to indict Ariel Sharon for war crimes.

See the below response dug up by following through links on Rivero's WRH with the WaybackMachine.

There's also a link on Rivero's site stating the camp was the site of a Pro-Palestinian stated rally on Thursday, attended the by Foreign Minister.

It seems they were an activitist bunch for a youth wing and pity I've not heard or read more about them until today's tragedy:

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20021211194652/http://www.norskisraelsenter.no/engl/pressrel-auf.htm

11.07.2002

Press release: Norwegian Labor Party Youth Movement (AUF) demands to put Ariel Sharon and other Israeli leaders on trial.


The Norwegian Israel Center (NIS) is a voluntary, idealistic and politically independent documentation and resource center that works at promoting a more balanced view towards Israel, and therefore fights antisemitism. At the same time, we try to build a bridge between Jews and Christians.

On 10.07.2002, Mrs. Eva Kristin Hansen, the leader of the Norwegian Labor Party Youth Movement (AUF), called upon the Attorney General of Norway to investigate whether Israel’s “Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and other Israeli leaders can be put on trial for crimes they committed”. Kristin explained that the AUF demand for a trial comes in light of “…killing of ambulance personnel, occasional destruction of civil targets and illegal executions of civilians”. (se article)

Less than a day after this AUF petition was sent to the court, Norwegian former Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg (Labor) spoke before the AUF in which he attacked Israel. NIS notes that it was not long so ago - 20.4.2002 -, when Stoltenberg gave a speech attacking Israel, while Nazi Swastikas and other horrible anti-Jewish banners were held up in front of the Norwegian parliament (see pictures). Such symbols are otherwise forbidden for use in demonstrations organized by Neo Nazis.

NIS is aware of the important position that the AUF has in the political life of Norway, particularly concerning the Norwegian Labor Party. AUF has produced many important leaders of the Labor Party. Naturally, their opinions influence their environment and Norway.

As young AUF members, future central Norwegian Labor Party leaders, called in 1971 for the destruction of Israel: “The qualification for lasting peace must be that Israel cease to exist as a Jewish state”…These words were written by former Prime Minister Haakon Lie (Labor) in his book [Slik Jeg Ser Det (As I See It), part II, p. 132]. This destruction is what the Labor party calls “peace”. Former Foreign Minister Bjorn Tore Godal was the leader of that same AUF that formulated this declaration, which showa obvious religious antagonism to Judaism. Can we trust that Godal was neutral and clean of prejudice while he handled Israel under the Oslo Process?

Since the 1970’s, Norwegian Labor leaders have supported the PLO. The PLO, we remind you, is committed to destroy Israel, a point that did not prevent Norway from awarding it’s leader no less than the Nobel Peace Prize. Torbjoern Jagland, Gro Harlem Brundtland, Jens Stoltenberg and Terje Roed-Larsen have followed the line that supports PLO. NIS finds it difficult to understand how such leaders can contribute to a more peaceful Middle East.

NIS notes that racism is defined as negative discrimination of an ethnical group. Racism against Jews is defined as Jew-hatred, or antisemitism.

NIS is aware that the leadership of the Norwegian Labor Party Youth Movement does not necessarily represent the majority opinion. We therefore warn against labeling the whole Norwegian Labor Party, and all of its daughter organizations, as antisemitic.

NIS is, however, very concerned by the fact that the leadership of the Norwegian Labor Party and its daughter organizations might stimulate and encourage Jew-hatred, which is already well developed in Norway. In 2002, Jews are being harassed, Jewish children are being discriminated against in schools and some of the Jews “feel the earth burning under their feet”. Therefore, it is not surprising that Jews try to maintain a low profile and, especially, deny any connection to the Jewish state, the target for modern Jew-hatred. Norway has never been a place in which Jews could feel equal and permanently safe, particularly before and during the Holocaust (http://www.norskisraelsenter.no\engl\index-engl-KOMMERSNART.htm).

This attack by the Labor Party on Israel came only a short time after the Norwegian Confederation of Trade Unions (LO) on 1.5.2002 called Norwegians to boycott products produced in the Jewish state, Israel. LO is traditionally controlled by the Labor Party. Therefore, we ask the leader of The Norwegian Labor Party and its Youth Movement branch: If you really care about human rights, …

What have you done about the Syrian and PLO responsibility for the massacre of more than 100,000 Christians in Lebanon between 1974 and 1982? Did you try to save them or punish those responsible?
Why do you blame the prime minister of the Jewish State for what Christians phalangists - led by a Syrian agent - did, as revenge for a continuous Moslem massacre? Why not blame the Christians and Moslems involved?
Have you tried to stop the ongoing massacre of Christians in Sudan? During the last years, more than 1.5 millions Christians have been massacred there. Where have you been? Where are you now?
What will you do to improve the life of millions of Moslem Arabs, suffering from tyranny under every single Arab regime, and especially under the PLO?
Israel, surrounded by Moslem countries to the north, east and south and the Mediterranean Sea to the west, is fighting daily for its survival. The Arab League established the PLO in 1964 as an umbrella organization for various Arab groups, with the aim of wiping out Israel as an independent state. This is clearly incorporated into the PLO charter and into the "constitution" of al-Fatah, an organization led by Arafat since 1958. With Israel as an exception, the Moslem Arabs have managed to eradicate any non-Moslem minority in the Middle East. But they still won’t give up. This is the real background of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

NIS therefore encourages The Norwegian Labor Party Youth Movement to consider a change in its radical line. Please support democracy in the Middle East and fight for equality and human right for Jews, Christians and Moslems in the Arab-occupied Middle East.

Erez Uriely, Director
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:58 pm

@ Barracuda.

Yup.

I mean, does tis guy even exist?

His company changed adress recently.

http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=994089269

http://w2.brreg.no/kunngjoring/hent_en. ... =994089269
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:00 pm

Where did the apron pic come from, Barra? Was it on his Facebook? I'm not a member (of Facebook, in case anybody thinks I mean Breivik's Lodge).

He's one of those guys who look like their face has been photoshopped onto their body even if it hasn't.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:03 pm

sergeant stiletto wrote: How did he gain access to a government building?


Who says he did?

Where did he get the explosives undetected?


Triacetone triperoxide? (TATP) is made up of acetone, hydrogen peroxide and a strong acid like hydrochloric or sulfuric acid – all easily bought in hardware stores and requires a very simple detonator to ignite it.

How did this guy get from the PM office to the island so quickly?


The two incidents were two hours apart.

How did he have a police officer's uniform?

He wasn't wearing a uniform, just a sweater with a police insignia and a bulletproof vest.

Where did he get the gun?


What are the laws on firearm possesion in Norway? Unsure.

Why did security on the island fail if pols and dignitaries were scheduled at various times during the event?


He was pretending to question people about the Oslo bombing. Apparently he had I.D..

No way he acted alone.


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:04 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Where did the apron pic come from, Barra?


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Byrne » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:16 pm

Explosions just don't happen in Oslo/Norway.

When I heard Gordon Corera on BBC news radio (5) tonight, I knew this was a scam of sorts.

Note how the Norway based al-Qaida terrorist wearing a police uniform, with a shooting vest shot 10 youths attending a political gathering.

Man held after Norway attacks right-wing extremist: Reports

By Damien McElroy, The Daily Telegraph/Reuters July 22,

OSLO - The Norwegian man detained after twin attacks in Norway on Friday has links to right-wing extremism, independent Norwegian television TV2 reported on Saturday, without disclosing its sources.

Police were searching a flat in west Oslo where the man lived, TV2 said.

At least 17 people were feared dead in Norway on Friday night after a gunman mowed down students at a summer camp hours after a bomb had devastated the centre of Oslo.

Ten youths attending a political gathering were reported to have been shot dead when a terrorist disguised as a policeman opened fire on a holiday island on a lake near the capital.

Seven people had earlier been killed in central Oslo when a car bomb went off outside the country's main government building. Members of the country's ruling Labour Party were the targets in both cases.

British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway's worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West.

The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaida was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan.

At least one Islamic terror group quickly claimed the attacks were "revenge" for Norway's engagement in Afghanistan, and for the publication of cartoons of the prophet Mohammed in Denmark.

However, a gunman arrested on the island of Utoya was described as blond, white, and speaking fluent Norwegian, raising the possibility that the attacks could have been linked to domestic politics. Police said they had also linked the suspect to the bomb attack on Oslo.

Witnesses reported teenagers throwing themselves into the notoriously dangerous waters around the island in a desperate attempt to flee the bullets. Rescue workers claimed to have seen between 20 and 30 bodies floating in the water.

Andre Skeie, 26, who took his boat to the island to help evacuate people, said: "I've seen it with my own eyes, at least 20 dead people lying in the water." Relatives and friends of those caught up in the attack were warned not to phone in case the ringing gave away the location of those hiding from the gunman.

"We were in the grass. We had to be quiet as we hid," said Lisa Irene Johansen, one of the crowd. "He was wearing a police uniform, with a shooting vest, and there was complete panic as he shot."

The powerful explosion targeting the office of Jens Stoltenberg, the country's prime minister, at 3.15pm, caused widespread destruction to the oil ministry and several media outlets, including the state broadcaster, NRK and Norwegian tabloid newspaper VG.

Most of the windows in the 20-floor building where Mr Stoltenberg worked were shattered. Mr Stoltenberg, who was working at home, spoke briefly by phone from a secure location. Struggling to cope with the enormity of the attack, he said the army would be mobilized to assist the police. "It's important that we don't let ourselves be scared. Because the purpose of that kind of violence is to create fear," he added.

Bodies lay strewn among the devastation in Oslo. Eyewitnesses described torsos hanging out of broken windows and corpses lying untouched in the wreckage-strewn streets.

"It looks like a war zone. It doesn't look as if one is in Norway. All the windows are ruined. The whole entrance area is crushed," said Anne Marte Blindheim, a journalist at the scene. "There is blood and case documents all around and crushed cars. A car is laying on the side, completely burnt out."

David Cameron released a statement expressing solidarity with the Norwegian people, saying that "we can overcome this evil". "I was outraged to hear about the explosion in Oslo and attack in Utoya today that have killed and injured innocent people," he said.

"My thoughts are with the wounded and those who have lost friends and family, and I know everyone in Britain will feel the same. "These attacks are a stark reminder of the threat we all face from terrorism. I have called Prime Minister Stoltenberg this evening to express my sincere condolences and to let him know that our thoughts are with the Norwegian people at this tragic time.

"I have offered Britain's help, including through our close intelligence co-operation. We will work with Norway to hunt the murderers who did this and prevent any more innocent deaths. We can overcome this evil, and we will."

President Barack Obama, who visited Oslo in 2009 to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, said the American government had offered Norway any help necessary. "We have to work co-operatively together on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks," he said. "Our hearts go out to them and we will provide any support we can to them."

The U.K. terrorist alert level remained at "substantial" last night, meaning an attack was a strong possibility.

Analysts at MI5 were working late into the night to track down any possible links between extremists in Britain and Norway. Norway's Police Security Service (PST), the equivalent of MI5, rounded up an alleged terrorist cell with links to Britain almost exactly a year ago.

Mikael Davud had allegedly been in contact with Rashid Rauf, a British al-Qaida commander who was also running simultaneous plots in Manchester, aimed at Easter shoppers, and in New York, aimed at the city's metro. The PST also found passport photographs of Ibrahim Adam, one of Britain's most wanted terrorist suspects, at Davud's sixth floor flat, causing an international alert over concerns that he was trying to return to Britain to launch an attack.




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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby sergeant stiletto » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:23 pm

Okay I'll play.

barracuda wrote:Who says he did?

Well he certainly had time to plant the explosives in such a way that they were undetected, effective and yet no danger to himself as he was able to get away unharmed.

Triacetone triperoxide? (TATP) is made up of acetone, hydrogen peroxide and a strong acid like hydrochloric or sulfuric acid – all easily bought in hardware stores and requires a very simple detonator to ignite it.

At what quantity sufficient to blow the face off the building? And could that much be purchased undetected if it's so easily made into a bomb?

The two incidents were two hours apart.

How far away are the two sites? Where was he at the time of the blast?


How did he have a police officer's uniform?

Okay, where did he get the sweater?


He was pretending to question people about the Oslo bombing. Apparently he had I.D..

What would these teenagers know about the bombing and where did he get the I.D.? Was it a police I.D.?

No way he acted alone.


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Byrne » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:27 pm

Right, you three in the uniforms.....when I count to 3, you start running...OK?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby DrEvil » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:33 pm

As a Norwegian I might be able to help :
barracuda wrote:
sergeant stiletto wrote: How did he gain access to a government building?


Who says he did?

*He didn't. He most likely parked a van full of homemade explosives in the street outside.

Where did he get the explosives undetected?


Triacetone triperoxide? (TATP) is made up of acetone, hydrogen peroxide and a strong acid like hydrochloric or sulfuric acid – all easily bought in hardware stores and requires a very simple detonator to ignite it.

*In 2009 the guy started a business to grow vegetables. Perfect for buying various ingredients for a truck bomb in bulk.

How did this guy get from the PM office to the island so quickly?


The two incidents were two hours apart.

*And it's roughly an hour's drive from Oslo.

How did he have a police officer's uniform?

He wasn't wearing a uniform, just a sweater with a police insignia and a bulletproof vest.

Where did he get the gun?


What are the laws on firearm possesion in Norway? Unsure.

*Strict. You can get weapons for hunting (rifles/shotguns) pretty easily, but they're all registered with the police (and cross-checked with criminal databases), and must be kept in a certified gun-locker at all times when not in use.
Hand guns are very strict. You need to be a member of a licensed gun club to own one, and the only legal way to carry a pistol in public is with a police permit and the gun in a locked case.
Up until a few years ago everyone in the national guard had an AG3 assault rifle at home, but after one too many shootings all the thingamajigs (the bit that makes the bullet go bang, can't remember the word. Hammer?) were collected and stored at national guard offices to be distributed as needed. That, of course, doesn't mean they were all collected, or that someone didn't have a spare or five.


Why did security on the island fail if pols and dignitaries were scheduled at various times during the event?


He was pretending to question people about the Oslo bombing. Apparently he had I.D..

*Can't imagine there would be much security there to begin with. I'm assuming that important people bring their own security which leaves when they leave.
Anyways, Norwegian police don't carry weapons, they're locked in the trunk of their cars, so if there were any police at the island their weapons would be locked up on the other shore.


No way he acted alone.


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:44 pm

Lone gunman. Chip on his shoulder. Grew vegetables, access to fertilizer. Has the foresight to open incriminating Facebook and Twitter accounts a few days before going postal. Likes reading 1984. Looks like a charicature of himself. Links to rightwing extremism, dug up by a day old wikipedia page. Drives cars and pilots boats really fast.

Catcher in the Rye under the bed?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby DrVolin » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:49 pm

Interesting to see a 7 so closely associated with 2 elements of the traditional 3/11 system.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:50 pm

elfismiles wrote:While I don't believe the MSM conspiracy theory of 911, more and more I do believe that OBL's goal was to get the USA to become a police state and spend itself into oblivion... see my friend Scott Horton's speech beginning at about the 7 minute 14 second mark until around the 13-15 minute mark:


It's been written as far as the late 90's that if one were to ascribe a "plan" with OBL, it's to sucker the West into protracted endless wars and bleed em try financially and morale wise, much like they did with the Soviets...as well as bring out America's ugly side. I believe both the neocons and al Qaeda are controlled by much more hidden forces, and 9/11 was a kind of early Christmas gift for the neocons...both they and little windup toy jihadists serving their purposes...not seeing the real invisible hand.

I think a lot of well meaning, anti war leftists simply are not aware of the deep state layers with the sept 11th event. That said, I've long believed bin Laden was an agent of chaos, whose strings were pulled since birth by forceswhom are very patient. When Bush spoke of about a "cult of evil" who thrive off of people's tears as being behind 9/11, he wasn't kidding. But both truther researchers(inside job theory) and "incompetence" theorists who lay blame purely on the feet of "al Qaeda" may not see how they are asking the wrong questions. As research shows, brainwashed and riled up Islamists have long been the favored proxy tool of hidden globalist forces. It's not that 9/11 was "falsely blamed" on bin Laden and al Qaeda, or that OBL is innocent...these are willing pawns, much like young US soldiers, both fighting and dying for the same transnational cause.

Perhaps OBL really was a babbling old man rocking back in forth under a blanket feverishly watching the news in his ISI safehouse in his final days...being kept all nice and cozy for the globalist's may day ritual sacrifice gift for Lord Hopemunculus Oh-Bomba.

This Scott Norton is only half right...he doesn't seem to get that OBL and al Qaeda are tricked. And you can see the lineage backwards of KSM and Ramzi Yousef to el-Nossair being led by US army specialist Ali Mohamed in training the WTC 1993 bombers with explosives training in 1989. The US government/West and these "Islamists" are a left hand/right hand thing.
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