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Stop pedophile bashing today!

Postby ZeroHaven » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:23 pm

I came across <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://lege.cz/win.en/archiv/pedo1.htm" target="top">this website</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. I read all of it. <br>With all of the "anti-semitism" talk lately I can't help but notice that nobody has been complaining and screaming about "anti-pedophiles". People get offended when you say something is "gay" to mean it's bad. Here we have murderers and rapists being labelled as pedophiles! It's bigger than racism and homophobia combined.<br><br>Here's a few selected passages for the hyperlink impaired:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Pedophiles can be straight, gay, and bisexual-much like the above mentioned orientations. The word pedophile means "child-lover", and that is accurate-since pedophiles love children. Like other orientations, true pedophiles are NOT exclusively interested in children for sex...they are happy in the company of kids, and they love and care about them emotionally in addition to desiring them for sexual activity.<br><br>The media has made pedophiles out to be perverts imposing their will on children. The truth is, to a pedophile, the very IDEA of this is reprehensible. Unlike other adults who do not really respect children, who do not truly feel they own their bodies, pedophiles believe children have a say in their lives, and a voice. <br><br>What pedophiles believe is that children (and adults!) should not be made to feel GUILT over HONEST and POSITIVE sexual activity. They ought to be allowed to express themselves this way, as it is a very powerful, personal part of them that deserves-demands expression! A child can show love to someone he/she cares about without sexual activity. A common example is ordinary parent-child relationships. But a child can also show love to another (possibly another child or an adult that a child loves and cares for) with sex. A child can also do so out of curiosity or pleasure in some cases as well. In either scenario, if he/she chooses to do so, pedophiles believe in protecting that right of free expression and of self-determination.<br><br>Most pedophiles are honest, law abiding (except for the oppressive dictatorship-style pedophile laws!) citizens. They actually tend to be among the more moralistic, decent folk that we have out there. Pedophiles do NOT stalk children. They are not out there trying to molest kids. Remember, pedophile= "child lover", the last thing on a true pedophile mind is to hurt kids, since they love them.<br><br>A movement against pedophiles (who are a VERY small minority) is underway on the net. Free speech right must be held up, but sadly there are people too ignorant to see past their hate and who endorse the idea of us being banned from the web. It is amazing how dense these guys are. If you ban ANYTHING, it leads to tyranny! <br><br>The bottom line is pedophiles must no longer be victims of hate-crimes and censorship for their beliefs. We must unite and stand against intolerance until we are accepted like gays are. My being a pedophile is simply a sexual-orientation, nothing more. It has complications due to the guilt applied by society to pedophiles and kids, but it is still not my fault I am a pedophile-even if it is my choice.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Here's the real value statement that I assume everyone here can agree with.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Sure, I may have many disagreements with Neo-Nazi's, for example, but that does NOT entitle me to deny them their freedom of speech! As a matter of fact, that is precisely why I would have to defend their pages! No matter what I think of them, as long as they do not break the law, they must be allowed to speak freely without direct harrassment!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>I highly recommend <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://lege.cz/win.en/archiv/pedo2.htm" target="top">page 2</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> as well. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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With all of the "anti-semitism" talk lately

Postby proldic » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:27 pm

Can you not see how foul you are for trying to make a connection between the two? <br><br>Truly offensive, Zero. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: With all of the "anti-semitism" talk lately

Postby ZeroHaven » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:18 pm

proldic, are you offended and call me foul for comparing discrimination to discrimination? Is it a full moon tonight?<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot" target="top">big·ot</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> - <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Just throwing the notion that discriminating against a particular group just because you've heard a few bad stories in their name isn't appropriate... even if it's a group that you can't identify with. That's it. <br>Note I am <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> talking about child molesterers. Those are criminals.<br><br>[holy crap, it <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/vphase.html" target="top">really IS a full moon</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> tonight! I guess that's why people on here have been weird today]<br> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=zerohaven>ZeroHaven</A> at: 8/17/05 6:30 pm<br></i>
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Re: With all of the "anti-semitism" talk lately

Postby Dreams End » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:25 pm

Don't feed the troll. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby proldic » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:31 pm

Which one? <p></p><i></i>
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Troll

Postby FourthBase » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:36 pm

you <p></p><i></i>
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Which troll?

Postby proldic » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:47 pm

oh say it isn't so Dreamsend <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Which troll?

Postby Dreams End » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:28 am

Proldic, certainly we've had our differences, but surely you cannot imagine I meant you were the troll in this exchange. I was addressing the "Don't feed" advice to you and later readers.<br><br>And ZeroHaven...you've had a few rational posts around here, but you have zero credibility with me now. <br><br>This post had zero redeeming value and zero value as satire. In fact, my confidence that it was even meant as satire is zero.<br> <br>And if we had an "ignore" feature as some bulletin boards do, I'd have zero posts from you to look at. The only reason I bump this thread once again is to respond to proldic. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: gargoyles

Postby ZeroHaven » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:10 am

No it wasn't meant for satire it was meant for discussion. I saw something that appeared to make an excellent point about a group of people whose beliefs have been twisted into obscenity. If this is not true then by all means <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>offer an argument.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>If there is no counterpoint, then you're saying there's zero redeeming value to discussing the rights of gays, lesbians, hermaphrodites, cross-dressers, trans-sexuals and trans-gendered people. All of which are still discriminated against to this day. I take it those <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>freaks</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> deserve what they get.<br><br>If there is no other reaction than that an alternative viewpoint is foul, offensive, and has zero credibility, then I will gladly save you the trouble of using an "ignore" feature. <p></p><i></i>
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Holocaust

Postby enkidu » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:43 am

I post this post everywhere I go, because it's the most powerful thing I believe I've ever heard, words to live by:<br>Sometime back PBS aired a series about Nazi death camps, and in the last installment Linda Ellerbee asked the head of the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC, What do you want to say to the youth of today, what do you want future generations to learn from this experience? He said:<br><br>Don't be a perpetrator,<br>Don't be a victim, and<br>Don't be a bystander <p></p><i></i>
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Putting it nicely-that arguement does NOT hold water.

Postby BlueCherub » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:32 pm

Now, putting it bluntly-that arguement is pure B.S. It is like murderers or rapists saying don't bash me or discriminate against me because I'm really a good person except for one little thing. When innocents are hurt that is where the line has to be drawn. There is NO excuse! Those disgusting pedophile perverts will try anything to twist their opinion around to try and make their shit smell like roses. <br><br>Sorry, but it AIN'T happening. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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WTF??

Postby Project Willow » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:15 pm

???????<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I'm terribly confused.<br><br>How could you possibly equate adult consensual activity with the exploitation of children? <p></p><i></i>
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confusion?

Postby jenz » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:24 am

PW, it isn't you who is confused it is Zero Haven.<br>(Either confused about the facts of child rape, or confused about the natures of freedom, power, and responsibility for one's actions) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: confusion?

Postby ZeroHaven » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:19 am

Yes, I was confused why someone who rapes and murders the British isn't called an Anglophile. The writer of the article firmly states adherence to the laws, despite desires, and condemns being a predator. The desire to "<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kill+your+boss" target="top">kill your boss</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->" does not make you a horrible criminal until you act upon that desire. <br> <br>One option with this was to explore how labels affect perception.. such as the "semite" label which by definition includes Arabs and Ethopians, yet is vigorously applied to only to practicioners of Jewish religion despite the fact that many Jews are not semites. And although the label fully applies to Isreali citizens, some Isrealis are Christian and Muslim.<br><br>The writer states the beliefs that children should be listened to, loved, respected, and taken seriously. The outrage overshadowed his message, and nobody wants to consider what the means.<br><br>How many such people work in your local Boys & Girls clubs, schools, churches, in full restraint and without acting as predators? <br><br>Thanks for the responses, they were a priceless learning tool. I'm leaving this thread to die now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: pedophile bashing

Postby sixtimeseven » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:20 am

Very few know that George W. Bush was married once before his betrothal to First Lady Laura. That short lived romance ended abrubtly one day when he came home from work and found his first wife was tossing all of his belongings out the door onto the front lawn.<br><br>Dismayed, he asked what the problem was. Scornfully she wailed, "I found out you're a PEDOPHILE!.” <br><br>"Pedophile?" he puzzled. ”Pedophile? That’s a mighty big word for 12 year old."<br><br> <p>“Iff’n I could write, I’d write my Congersmun a letter; iff’n he could read.” -- Lil Abner</p><i></i>
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