Damn You, Compared2What!

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:32 am

Seamus OBlimey wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:I know why she left, because I suffer from the same syndrome.


Because you think if you show that you think better than most you'll make yourself a target?


Answer by the conventions of threads I must, but in humble-size print to prevent too much derailin' of a Viking Funeral Pyre Thread. (Ctrl+plus-sign to expand in most browsers, or Ctrl+minus-sign to make smaller and guarantee you won't have to read the following.)

Sorry, Seamus, I shouldn't have inserted that here. Your interpretation is in a way flattering, or perhaps makes us both members of a special-secret club of better thinkers, but it's not what I meant. Rather, the comment came to me and was shared with you spontaneously, immediately after I had, elsewhere, written two pages to contest someone's perhaps chance phrasing, someone's mere six or ten words that I found misrepresented a matter that was important, although neither the six or ten words nor my response were, necessarily, in the big or little picture. This exact thing was not happening merely for the first or even hundredth time. (In the process, I did get a lot of thoughts down about a subject in general.) Quite beyond the merits of this activity as a use of time, or the insignificance of the resulting post in the "big picture," or the nobility or baseness of the motives that started me off in the first place, as I hit "Submit" I realized that, once I'd started even thinking about doing that post, the drive to finish it, to be perfectionist about argument and language, to be circumspect and aware of complexities and countervailing factors, to be both right and fair (the latter in part because it makes you even more right), was, short of an outside force that would have physically ripped me from my seat, compulsive and pretty-nigh unreversable no matter how ill or well advised this particular extended use of my time was in that moment. And then I thought how I'd seen this same quality in many of c2w?'s texts. I also thought, not for the first or hundredth time, how the ability for instant response and dialogue on seeming nigh-every text (or the illusion of it, since usually it is illusory for many reasons) regardless of what or from whom, not to mention the ability to access text, in many cases written just moments ago, from all over and everyone in large volumes, was a recent development. Although my impulse to engage in immediate and usually contentious dialogue with often randomly encountered text long preceded the advent of Internet, its advent and my own enthusiasm or weakness allow my impulse too much venting room, or so I think. So this is -- maybe, just guessing without being in her head or pretending to, but just guessing from all I have ever seen of her, meaning her texts -- why she left. But for all I know she's not seeking calm and enlightenment in solitude without distraction, but instead decided to switch her time to a discussion board on blood sports. (That last part is merely in the way of acknowledging that, of course, I do not know.)

Spoiler: Or if you want it punch and judy -- how crass, bring my fainting chair! -- I'm an Internet addict and I figure she is too.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:45 am

JackRiddler wrote:I know why she left, because I suffer from the same syndrome.


Luckily I have a countervailing tendency toward pure laziness.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:33 am

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Damn, due to misunderstandings I must clarify: "syndrome" in my brief comment with medium-long consequences was not all meant in the sense of a health problem. Just meaning, a mental compulsion to making really long posts, out of a drive to getting things straight. And it was a guess that this is related to her departure, not based on any inside knowledge. I don't have a health problem and I certainly hope c2w? doesn't either!

Now let's get back to honoring the Viking Queen.

For anyone new to this, her greatest thread, which she at one point calls her life's work or some such, presumably with her trademarked irony.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:48 am

brainpanhandler wrote:Luckily I have a countervailing tendency toward pure laziness.


Me too, with acute Tourettes, so I must say I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a tribute/memorial to someone not yet beyond us.

C2W graced us with her presence and for that I feel privileged but it's not the first time she's left, or threatened to, and hopefully not the last.

You know what she's like.. Drama queen.. She must be lapping this up for breakfast.

Good for her but no obituaries yet please.

[I'd whittle this post down to a few words but a friend just turned up needing a drink. Needs must.]
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:03 pm

I think reports of her 'death' are greatly exaggerated - the lovely logoleptic tautologically loquacious lady shall return in 2011 as sure as eggs are ovate spheroids :)
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby norton ash » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:16 pm

Ahhh, you saps, quit cryin' in yer beer over some dame.

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:23 pm

Searcher08 wrote:I think reports of her 'death' are greatly exaggerated - the lovely logoleptic tautologically loquacious lady shall return in 2011 as sure as eggs are ovate spheroids :)


Maybe. But to get the Resurrection you have to clap for Tinkerbell, and believe Jesus is the One, and know that Hollywood CPR always works on the fallen heroine, or... it won't work! Really! (Maybe we could throw a bit of how This Is (Never) The End of Dr. Doom into that messy thought? Cause if anyone's ever managed to evoke touches of both Dr. Doom and Tinkerbell in the same post...)

But this departure looks more final than the rest (as in, it'll last at least six or seven months) and I'm for a tribute.

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:32 pm

Let us leave the Valley of still black and white imagery and voyage into the Land of Glorious HydroPolyTechniColorama :kissinghand:
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:11 pm

compared2what? wrote:Jeff --

I don't write well now, and haven't for a long while, but for years I did pretty close to nothing else, if only because even on my best days, I had to go through a few shallow cycles of sub-clinical writer's block and release before getting enough text down to regard the work as a foreign entity that was sufficiently separate from myself to know whether it needed to be addressed ruthlessly or respectfully before being banished from my life forever. It was fucking exhausting. So I feel ya.

You probably know all the rest of this already, but in case you don't:

You have exceptional gifts that can neither be lost nor taken away from you, even if you never write another word for public consumption, because, among other things, one of them is that your integrity as a writer is not discrete from your integrity as a human being. Which is as it should be for people who are passionate about what they create, the world in which they live, and the relationship between the former and the latter. But which is also hell to live with. Plus, you write about topics that are important to you, and that's difficult even for hacks.

But it shouldn't be really personally painful, and if it is, put it aside and remind yourself that your responsibilities don't include setting your standards so high that they can't be met without pain. And also that you, Jeff, the person, have integral value that is not defined by what you write. It's actually and emphatically the other way around.

You also simply might at the moment not have much to say, which is fine. I guarantee that sooner or later something will engage your interest, stimulate your mind, and your writing will follow. Also, and finally, if you know any good editors, talk to one. That's actually the best advice I have to give, and I'm only placing it so low because being a good writer's editor and proud of it has been out of fashion for so long, I'm not sure that there are any left. But even if there aren't, the principle that the best way to get your thoughts out of your mind is by talking incoherently to someone who is capable of perceiving that what you have to say is not in fact incoherent, just really badly wrinkled from having been packed too long and stored under pressure still applies. Then one or both of you can do some ironing and chores will be done. Hoop-la.

Take it easy on yourself. Writing is difficult, and that's it's fault, not yours.


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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Laodicean » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:11 pm

Hoop-la!
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby barracuda » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:20 pm

Thanks for bumping this thread, L. You've given me the opportunity to spring-clean this post out of my overstuffed "drafts" folder in which it has sat dejectedly since sometime in 2010.

People have both independent agency and free will, the exercise of which results in (among other things) culture. Which has neither free will nor independent agency. One corollary of which is: We make culture. It does not and cannot make us without our participation. The nature and extent of which is determined by us and is therefore our responsibility. Not culture's. Other people may very well, through the exercise of their independent agency and free will, try to deprive us of ours by using culture as one of their weapons. However, while they can and do sometimes succeed -- which, btw, means they're the enemy -- if culture was the only weapon they had, they just wouldn't be that much of a threat absent our collaboration. It's not like culture runs on ethanol. It only has one power source, and we're it. Oh. Hmm....Plus also, just as a reminder: Given the false-dichotomy aspect of things, we're it.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm totally down with cursing the darkness. It's a fabulous thing. That doesn't mean it's the same thing as lighting a candle, though. But whether you want the former to have more cultural currency than the latter or the other way around, it's totally within your power to exercise your free will and independent agency to exert an influence on the direction in which you'd prefer to see the cultural current flowing. Just do one more and the other less. Nothing is easy. But neither is everything impossible. That's just the way it be's.


So if you're distressed, please undistress yourself. All right? I'm absolutely positive that we can continue to totally fail to effectively communicate with one another other calmly just as well as we could if we were both highly agitated! Why, it's so crazy, it just might work!


Given that it would be a massively unethical and negligent act -- not to mention malpractice -- for the most highly qualified, impeccably caring and statistically-successful-as-ranked-by-patients professional caregiver to schizophrenics on earth to diagnose someone one way or the other on those grounds, is there anything about your total lack of authority to address the matter that somehow makes the exact same thing responsible when you do it?


You are so boring sometimes, did you know that? Because most narcissists don't in my experience.


And I really do have to be running along now. Because for one thing, the light reflecting off your halo is hurting my eyes. And for another, this stuff gets pretty dull after the three-millionth or so time.


And as much fun as it's been dancing for the entertainment of the several trolls and sock puppets who didn't start this fire but are now keeping it burning, I now feel that I've personally reached my capacity for such frivols.


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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby smiths » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:48 am

I'm now going to give mods and admin and you ass-clowns a short period of time to take me out if you can

i think her heart is probably in the right place but i stand by my assessment in the thread previously referred to

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Alaya » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:02 am

Bullshit, Smiths. You cannot fathom her...and why not stop talking behind her back.

Pearls before swine, obviously.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby smiths » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:10 am

no, a simpleton like myself obviously cannot fathom her

but, posting my comment on a thread on the net on the forum she frequented in a post about her is hardly talking behind anyones back
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Alaya » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:16 am

we can agree to disagree on that............neither of us know if she even still reads here. she loathed narcissism in others and was brave enough to stick her neck out in ways that someone like you could target her in that way.

i give you your simpletonian ism. as long as you know it, that's a step forward.

or fucking not
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