Fuck Ron Paul

[elfismiles]

A cat coughing up a fur-ball promises a more positive effect on history than Ron Paul winning an election.

As much as I still like him I tend to agree that if he somehow were allowed to become Prez it would just be yet another dark strategem of the ruling elites.

[Freitag]

A cat coughing up a fur-ball promises a more positive effect on history than Ron Paul winning an election.

As much as I still like him I tend to agree that if he somehow were allowed to become Prez it would just be yet another dark strategem of the ruling elites.

Maybe, but at least it'd be different. It's like, I'm going to hate anyone who becomes president, and I'm always going to suspect they're one of Them, but at least this guy might do a few things I agree with, that no other candidate would do (mostly involving the Fed).

I just get sick of the same ol' same ol' - let's put a fresh face on the tyranny, I'm still gonna bitch but it'll be more interesting.

[eyeno]

A cat coughing up a fur-ball promises a more positive effect on history than Ron Paul winning an election.

As much as I still like him I tend to agree that if he somehow were allowed to become Prez it would just be yet another dark strategem of the ruling elites.

Maybe, but at least it'd be different. It's like, I'm going to hate anyone who becomes president, and I'm always going to suspect they're one of Them, but at least this guy might do a few things I agree with, that no other candidate would do (mostly involving the Fed).

I just get sick of the same ol' same ol' - let's put a fresh face on the tyranny, I'm still gonna bitch but it'll be more interesting.

I agree and I will add this...

His voting record speaks for itself. He has a better voting record than most. Spotless? Nope. But better than most for sure.

I can't imagine why he would even run for President. He knows full well PTB would blow his head off in a skinny minute were he to attempt to implement his voting record.

Maybe he is willing to put his blown out brains where his voting record is? I have no idea. But he is interesting.

And, he is also a member of the "brotherhood" as far as I can tell. Which goes to show you that every single member of the Brotherhood is not totally corrupt. He has voted time and time again against his brothers over the last few decades in favor of the little man.

In this climate, his voting record, were it to be implemented, is a death sentence. He is an enigma to me. Or maybe not. Maybe he is willing to die for his convictions.

I have no idea but if he is serious, he is seriously a burr under the saddle of PTB which is not conducive to long and lasting health.

His near front runner status in a lot of polls demonstrates the "awakening" of the american public though, which is refreshing.

[Simulist]

Yes. Ron Paul would be "different" — like different brands of shit: bird shit versus dog shit.

(But, hey! At least bird shit doesn't fuck up the grass.)

[The Consul]

What would the difference be between voting for a doctor who does not believe in evolution and Rick Perry?

[eyeno]

What would the difference be between voting for a doctor who does not believe in evolution and Rick Perry?

It is my suspicion that he does believe in evolution but will not admit it. Politically a good move on his part probably. I don't think he is stupid enough not to believe in evolution, but also not honest enough to admit it. Admitting it would be political death for him most likely. His base is, after all, a bunch of Jesus thumping fundamentalists.

He also skirts the issues on 911 but hey, he has to survive ya know? Politically speaking...

[Simulist]

Hmm. Ron Paul (1) wants to appear as stupid as his "Jesus thumping fundamentalist" base, but (2) isn't, and yet (3) isn't "honest-enough to admit" even that.

Yeah, he'd be a great pick.

[JackRiddler]

What would the difference be between voting for a doctor who does not believe in evolution and Rick Perry?

SNIP Politically a good move on his part probably. SNIP

No. Obviously. He's 101 years old. "Politically a good move on his part," if he wanted to stir some shit on behalf of his causes that would make a difference, would be to stop posturing for brute fundamentalists and run in the Democratic primaries against Obama on a two-plank platform: end the empire and wars, and end the drug war. He could say these are the two most pressing issues affecting liberty and you can't have it all and he doesn't want to divide but at least make these changes of revolutionary import. That would be politically a good move. What he's doing? Fuck him. And fuck all apologists who should know better. (I'm most willing to forgive the kids on the street who've learned to eschew fractional reserve banking but haven't figured out yet that the banksters are not the nemesis but the embodiment of libertarian philosophy.) His banking and economic policies amount to replacing Saruman with Sauron proper. I don't want to "end the Fed," I want public national and state banks and rules to advantage credit unions and a break up of the zombie TBTFs and clawback of all the wealth they've plundered and criminal proceedings against the makers of the subprime frauds and a clampdown on bullshit speculation and HFT and naked trading and an open, strictly regulated market in derivatives and a Tobin Tax. He wants practically the opposite: Let them run wild, but without bailouts. And take away the peoples' hard-earned retirement income. And police the wombs of women. Fuck him.

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[Elihu]

but haven't figured out yet that the banksters are not the nemesis but the embodiment of libertarian philosophy.

who can judge the magnanimity of that statement, i'm sure it's sincere. but it is invertedly in error, imo. there is nothing egalitarian or free about banksters. they enjoy total un-accountable power. why is money important? because it is sovereignty. sovereignty over individuals, sovereignty over states. ron paul is an enemy of banksters and hence the oppressors of mankind. at least that's the way i take him. maybe he's not in reality (who could rule out MICC co-option ?) will have to respectfully disagree with those that don't see the conflict in these terms. the real dynamics of power, rp is not about a vague "philosopy". there is no reforming the machine. they keys have to be taken away. literally.

quoted for your enjoyment via zerohedge...

Guest Post: The Old Man And The Sea - 2011
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/19/2011 -

All of the symbols employed by Hemingway add to premise that life is an endless struggle with illusory rewards. In order to achieve nobility in life, a person must exhibit bravery, poise, courage, patience, optimism, and intelligence during the struggle. Then, even if the prize is lost, the person has won the battle, proving himself capable of retaining grace under pressure, the ultimate test of mankind. Ron Paul’s life is a shining example of grace under pressure. He has single handedly battled his great fish (Big Government, Big Finance, Big Military) for four decades with no helpers and many detractors. His journey is nearing its end. But it isn’t how it ends that matters. The journey is what separates the noble lion (Ron Paul) from the hyenas (corrupt politicians) and jackals (media). Ron’s message will not die. His son <redacted>...The young people who have been inspired by his words and example will carry the torch. All of our lives will end the same way. The lesson to be learned from Ron Paul is how we should live our lives. The ideologically myopic pundits that pass for the intelligentsia in the mainstream media scornfully declare that Ron Paul has no chance of winning, when all critical thinking citizens recognize that he has already won. They can destroy him, but he will not be defeated.

[Elihu]

if he wanted to stir some shit on behalf of his causes that would make a difference, would be to stop posturing .....and run in the Democratic primaries against Obama on a two-plank platform: end the empire and wars, and end the drug war. He could say these are the two most pressing issues affecting liberty and you can't have it all and he doesn't want to divide but at least make these changes of revolutionary import. That would be politically a good move.

i thought this was pretty darn good. on edit: the question begs, would such a constituency in the DP have any more luck than they've had in the RP? i think alot of people (not me) would be unpleasantly surprised.

What he's doing? Fuck him. And fuck all apologists who should know better.

nobody's perfect. you didn't mean that did you?

[L_Wttgstn]

He's far from perfect but he's the most pragmatic politician I've ever encountered. I love the guy, and while he's far from a RI favorite, I hope he wins.

[Simulist]

He's far from perfect but he's the most pragmatic politician I've ever encountered. I love the guy, and while he's far from a RI favorite, I hope he wins.

Gee whiz. Well, I hope you keep on hopin', L… because gosh, hope is just such a great thing to have! Even if it's false hope. Or hope in someone who's false (but "pragmatic"!). Or hope in a bigot (when being a bigot was still "pragmatic" for Ron Paul). Or a lying coward ('cause, well… that's always "pragmatic"!).

Hope in mirages is the American way (since even before 2008)!

(And keeping the people hoping in mirages is just so… well, "pragmatic"!)

[elfismiles]

For you Paul-ites
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27863&p=426851#p426851

Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet
By Justin Sink - 09/21/11 12:02 PM ET
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... is-cabinet

[Nordic]

For you Paul-ites
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27863&p=426851#p426851

Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet
By Justin Sink - 09/21/11 12:02 PM ET
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... is-cabinet

Yeah and right now I'm considering getting a boob job. So what of it?

[elfismiles]

So the Presidency truly is a dead / lost cause, since, to rephrase Groucho Marx, "we can never support anyone who'd actually want to be a member".

And its better to diss on the one guy in the race whose good points outweigh his bad points.

Well, as I've advocated for a long time (which is why I have Jeff's quote as my current sig line):

"Maybe, when you're given the choice of Satan, or Satan's Little Helper, it's past time to crash the parties."