"Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

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"Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby HMKGrey » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:03 am

Austria, Belgium... s'all the same. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>VIENNA, Austria (AP)</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> -- The young woman who resurfaced last week after being held captive in a dingy, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>windowless cell for more than eight years has the right to privacy, authorities said Sunday, adding that she is not under police supervision.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The decision to seclude herself -- and to avoid seeing people, including her parents -- was hers alone, police s</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>"If Natascha decides to go into ... Vienna's inner city and get a coffee, then she can do that," Police Maj. Gen. Gerhard Lang of the Federal Criminal Investigations Bureau told the Austria Press Agency.<br><br>"If she wants, she can go everywhere," Lang said.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Natascha Kampusch resurfaced last week -- more than eight years after being abducted while on her way to school when she was 10 and escaping her captor Wednesday while he was busy with a phone call.<br><br>Her captor, 44-year-old Wolfgang Priklopil, committed suicide hours after she fled by throwing himself in front of a commuter train in Vienna.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Her parents, though overjoyed to learn Natascha is still alive, have expressed frustration that they have not been able to spend more time with their long-lost daughter.<br><br>In an interview in the Sunday edition of the newspaper Kurier, Kampusch's mother said she had seen her daughter only once since her escape.[/b]<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Natascha is now locked away again. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->That's terrible for me," the newspaper quoted Brigitta Sirny as saying. The mother added that she did not think it was what the 18-year-old wanted.<br><br>"I really couldn't imagine that. I think the mother should be close," she told the newspaper.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Psychologists and doctors are all well and good, but a daughter also needs her mother. Why can't I see my daughter?"<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Sirny told the newspaper that a fortune teller told her that Natascha was alive in a cellar to the north and that she prayed every day that her daughter would make it through her ordeal.<br><br>"Every day I prayed: Please Natascha, hang in there," Sirny said.<br><br>"I celebrated her birthdays, baked cakes that I threw away afterwards," she said.<br><br>She said her "biggest wish" would be that Kampusch would now come to live with her.<br><br>The teen, who is in a <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>secure and undisclosed location</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, was "in a good mood" and met with young people her age, according to Monika Pinterits, an attorney who said she spent several hours with Kampusch on Saturday and met with her again Sunday afternoon.<br><br>Kampusch had engaged in excited conversation with the other young people, and enjoyed their company, Pinterits said, according to APA.<br><br>Kampusch had one brief, emotional reunion with her parents after her escape, but has not asked for them since, police said.<br>story.priklopil.ap.jpg<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kampusch's father, Ludwig Koch, begged police to be allowed to have a cup of coffee with her and snap a few photographs to share with the extended family, APA reported Saturday, citing a senior investigator.<br><br>Police declined, fearing the photos would end up in newspapers and on television because of intense interest in the case, long one of Austria's greatest unsolved mysteries.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>But Koch later told reporters his daughter, who has her mother's maiden name, sent him a letter that read, in part: "We'll have all the time in the world." <br><br>Kampusch will spend Sunday night at the same location she has been since Friday evening, but what happens next is "her decision," Lang said. A medical exam showed she was capable of making her own decisions, Lang said, as quoted by APA.<br><br>Investigators will decide Monday or Tuesday -- with Kampusch -- if and when she would be ready to continue to speak to them about her experience, Lang said Sunday on Austrian radio.<br><br>Reinhard Haller, a well-known Austrian psychiatrist and professor, said in an interview on Austrian radio Oe3 that Kampusch must now learn to trust her loved ones and get to know the feeling of security.<br><br>It sometimes can take kidnapping victims a long time to "rebuild a bridge" to those they love most, and sometimes they initially might show feelings of rejection, Haller said.<br><br>"The affected people shouldn't take this personally because it is part of the entirely normal integration mechanism," Haller said.<br><br>Taking shifts, investigators continued Sunday to search for clues in the house in the semi-rural community of Strasshof, north of Vienna, where Kampusch was kept, for the most part, in a dungeon.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"A lot of what Priklopil told Natascha was wrong," he said. "He manipulated his victim."<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Investigators have found videos and books that will be analyzed in great detail, Lang said.<br><br>With the help of one book, Kampusch taught herself how to knit, according to Lang.<br><br>Police also were examining notes and shopping lists found in Kampusch's cell and the house, Lang said, adding that investigators had not found a diary.<br><br>Police also were trying to determine if Priklopil had an accomplice, but "questioning of Natascha has shown that there was no second offender," Lang said.<br><br>Based on information available so far, neither Priklopil's mother nor a male friend he contacted while on the run Wednesday before committing suicide were involved in the act, Lang told APA.<br><br>Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

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<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>investigators had not found a diary.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"It is thought that police will also analyse a diary kept by the teenager for clues after family spokesman, Rupert Leutgeb revealed that she had kept an account, running into several hundred pages about her time in captivity. "</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=402313&in_page_id=1811">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"questioning of Natascha has shown that there was no second offender," <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"When Natascha Kampusch vanished on March 2, 1998, a 12-year-old girl claimed to have seen the youngster being bundled into a white minivan driven by two men."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Gouda » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:10 am

Also in the daily Mail link 1 tal provided:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The case has been compared to child abductor Belgian <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Marc Dutroux</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, 49, who kidnapped six little girls and kept them in the cellar of his house in Charleroi in 1995.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>Either the reporters are not reporting everything, or Lang, the chief (federal) investigator, has changed the story about possible accomplices (based, he said, on an interview with Natascha.) Reuters reported this yesterday: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrian police said on Friday they were searching for possible accomplices of a kidnapper who held a young girl in a tiny room under his garage for eight years until her dramatic escape this week...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"We are not chasing a particular suspect but we are chasing the theory that several people were involved," Gerhard Lang, </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->a senior officer at Austria's Federal Police Agency, told Reuters.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060825/ts_nm/austria_girl_dc">news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060...ia_girl_dc</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>CNN: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>VIENNA, Austria (CNN) -- <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Austrian police were on Saturday hunting possible accomplices of a kidnapper who held a young girl in a basement "dungeon"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and is believed to have sexually assaulted her over an eight-year period until her escape this week...<br><br>"He started building the workshop pit maybe a year or half a year before the kidnapping," the neighbor, who declined to be named, told Reuters. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"It really looks like he planned this well in advance."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/26/austria.kidnap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories">www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu...topstories</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:18 am

She's defending her abducter now, btw.<br><br>Full blown Stockholm Syndrome..Or is it something else? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby HMKGrey » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:49 pm

It sounds to me like her sudden escape is a nightmare for someone. Hence, the decision to keep her away from her family and have her meet with 'investigators' and 'psychiatrists' for a few days. I get the impression that certain people probably want to see what she knows and what she might be prepared to talk about. Either that, or she's being reprogrammed. <br><br>In my original post, notice the way the accomplice angle is dismissed immediately based on questioning of what I assume would be a terrified and disoriented victim. <br><br>Also, WTF does this mean: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>was "in a good mood" <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>and met with young people her age,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> according to Monika Pinterits, an attorney who said she spent several hours with Kampusch on Saturday and met with her again Sunday afternoon.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>What, they just parachuted in the Austrian Missing Youth Adjustment Corps or something? I find that claim to be bizarre. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Gouda » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:50 am

Here is Natascha's (eloquent and strong) statement, in full, read by a psychiatrist. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>VIENNA, Austria (Reuters) -- Natascha Kampusch's statement, read by psychiatrist:<br><br>Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian woman who escaped last week after being held hostage for eight years, asked her psychiatrist Max Friedrich to read the following statement at a news conference in Vienna on Monday.<br><br>He said he was told by Kampusch not to provide the statement in written form. The transcript is from the readout he gave.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Dear journalists, reporters, dear global audience!<br><br>"I am very much aware of what an impact the events of the past days must have made on you. I imagine how shocking and frightening the thought that something like this could even be possible must be. Furthermore, I am aware that you are somewhat curious about me and naturally want to know more details about the circumstances in which I lived.<br><br>"First of all I want to let you know that I don't want and will not answer any questions about personal or intimate details. I will act against those who overstep personal boundaries towards voyeurism. Whoever tries to do so will have to watch out. I have grown into a young woman interested in education and with human needs.<br><br>"My living space: My room was well enough furnished. It was my room and not meant to be shown in public.<br><br>"My daily life: This was very regulated. Most of the time we had breakfast together -- he didn't work most of the time -- household chores, reading, watching television, talking, cooking. That's what it was like for years. Everything connected with the fear of loneliness.<br><br>"The relationship: He was not my master. I was just as strong. But -- to give you a metaphor -- he carried me in his arms but also trampled me underfoot. But he took on the wrong one (person) -- and he and I both knew that. He carried out the kidnapping on his own, everything was already prepared.<br><br>"He furnished the room -- which was not just 1.60 meters high -- together with me. By the way, I did not cry after the escape. There was no reason for mourning.<br><br>"In my view his death was unnecessary. A penalty would not have been the end of the world. He was a part of my life and this is why I am, in a way, mourning him.<br><br>"Of course it is true my youth was different from many other people. But generally I don't have the feeling I missed anything. I spared myself many things, I did not start smoking or drinking and I did not hang out in bad company.<br><br>"Message to the media: The only thing the press should spare me are the permanent defamations of myself, the misinterpretation, the second-guessing and the lack of respect towards me.<br><br>"Currently I feel good where I am, perhaps a little bit patronized. But that's how I decided that I want to only stay in touch with my family over the phone. I will determine myself when I will contact journalists.<br><br>"About my escape: When I had to clean and vacuum the car in the garden, he went away because of the vacuuming noise. That was my opportunity, I simply left the vacuum cleaner running.<br><br>"By the way I never called him "master," even though he wanted it. I believe he quasi-wanted it but not really seriously.<br><br>"I have a lawyer I trust who is discussing legal issues with me. Youth attorney (Monika) Pinterits is my confidant, I can talk well with Dr. (Max) Friedrich and Dr. (Ernst) Berger. The team of (chief investigator Johann) Fruehstueck was very good to me. I say hello to them, but they indeed were a bit curious. That's their job, however.<br><br>"Intimate questions: Everybody wants to ask intimate questions that is not their business. Maybe I will tell a therapist or maybe I will tell somebody when I feel the need, but perhaps I will never tell. The intimacy belongs to me alone.<br><br>"...It was Wolfgang's own decision to throw himself under the train. I sympathize with Wolfgang's mother. I can feel with her and put myself in her position. I, and both of us, think of him.<br><br>"I want to thank all people who are so interested in my life. Please bear with me in the time to come. Dr Friedrich will explain it with this statement. Many people are taking care of me. Give me some time until I can tell the story myself.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Natascha Kampusch<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/28/austria.kidnap.reut/index.html">edition.cnn.com/2006/WORL...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby El Tedo » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:04 am

This sounds an awful lot like the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Collector/dp/0965058484/sr=1-1/qid=1156852997/ref=sr_oe_1_1/103-0466773-7913407?ie=UTF8&s=books">Collector</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by John Fowles. An awful lot. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Gouda » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:10 am

Yes, Fowles - a world class novelist. I have not read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Collector</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, but have read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Magus</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The FL'sWoman</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Fowles is definitely keyed into, or tapped into, what's up and what's down. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Dreams End » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:50 pm

Many of the games the "Finders" played came straight out of the Magus almost. I wondered about Fowles' background but never found anything that suggested he'd have some special access to insider info. <br><br>She sounds totally brainwashed to me...or stockholm syndrome if you want to call it that. He was all she knew, so it makes sense...but it's sad. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Girl Found in Cellar" Story Gets Curious...

Postby Gouda » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:06 pm

Damn memory, damn - who was it, which writer said that a good novelist should be able to walk past an army barracks, catch a bit of the dialogue inside, and from that be able to reconstruct a realistic story about army life? <p></p><i></i>
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Pregnant?

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:17 pm

Now they are saying she may be pregnant with her captor's child...<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402672&in_page_id=1770&ct=5">www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...=1770&ct=5</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pregnant?

Postby Gouda » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:20 pm

Whoa ya. <br><br>El Tedo, does <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Collector</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> give any hint as to what comes next? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pregnant?

Postby Avalon » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:56 pm

As Gouda says, her statement was elegant and strong. But it's sentences like these that make me wonder what's going on:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>those who overstep personal boundaries towards voyeurism... Message to the media: The only thing the press should spare me are the permanent defamations of myself, the misinterpretation, the second-guessing and the lack of respect towards me...Currently I feel good where I am, perhaps a little bit patronized...</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>No matter how well-read she might have become in her hidey-hole, no matter how much TV she might have watched, she spent 8 years speaking only to one person, her captor. I think we can assume that in that situation the notion of personal boundaries were not a big topic of discussion, and I can't see how she can move from being a 10 year old with a 10 year old's ideas about personal boundaries to articulate something like that. That the press misinterprets their subjects, defames them and second-guesses them is likewise an analysis that most adults seem incapable of making, judging from the state of both the press and the world . <br><br>I don't know that anyone would be able to write that kind of prose that's heavy on the psychologizing days after being in a captivity for half her life. It's moving, and noble, and sounds totally bogus to me. I'd like to hope that she is strong enough and mature enough to write this sort of statement, but I just can't see it happening.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pregnant?

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:41 pm

To me, it looks like this young woman is being counseled to keep the media away. That would only fuck her up more. Half a hemispheres inhabitants are peering down on her through a microscope now, suddenly, after shes been more or less locked in a room for ten years. Maybe her patrons are worried that the sudden interest of a packed global colluseum screaming into and invading her obvious fragility would just not be the right thing for her at the moment. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pregnant?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I can't see how she can move from being a 10 year old with a 10 year old's ideas about personal boundaries to articulate something like that. That the press misinterprets their subjects, defames them and second-guesses them is likewise an analysis that most adults seem incapable of making, judging from the state of both the press and the world . <br><br>I don't know that anyone would be able to write that kind of prose that's heavy on the psychologizing days after being in a captivity for half her life. It's moving, and noble, and sounds totally bogus to me. I'd like to hope that she is strong enough and mature enough to write this sort of statement, but I just can't see it happening.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Ditto. It had to have been written by someone else. <p></p><i></i>
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