#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:41 am

Boston, Seattle, now Dallas?:
OccupyDallas Occupy Dallas
by WeOccupyAmerica
#OccupyDallas was just notified by #DPD they're about be searched. WE NEED CAMERAS. #ComeNow
5 minutes ago
[the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:10 am

Plutonia wrote:
Public Divided on Occupy Wall Street Protesters

Wednesday, October 05, 2011

As they marched through Manhattan, they chanted of how the “Big Banks Got Bailed Out, We Got Left Behind.” The Occupy Wall Street protesters found a slogan that resonates with the American people but not many people embrace the protesters views of an economy more regulated by the government.

[where did that ^^ come from? lol!]

Seventy-nine percent (79%) of Americans agree with the statement that the “The big banks got bailed but the middle class got left behind." A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of American adults found that just 10% disagree with that statement and 11% are not sure.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... protesters



Yeah, some headline. "Divided" my ass. 79% is not "divided".

Assholes. I've seen similar headlines just today.

"Public divided."

No.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:28 am

Damn dirty hippies.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Elvis » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:11 am

2012 Countdown wrote:Thank you for the photos Bruce and Aurataur.

...and I never said so, but Elvis, you sir, rock the fuggin' HOUSE.

All of you in this thread move me.



2012 Countdown, I was just about to post a thank-you for your fantastic coverage and for so aptly calling out Alex Jones ("FAILED").

Your kind words to me are really truly encouraging, thank you, brother!
Every little boost, as when a driver honks their support, uplifts and feeds our determination.

Aurataur, thanks so much for the LA photos. GO LOS ANGELES! Looking good!

The news from Seattle is sad. How can the police disobey the mayor's orders? What the hell's going on?? I had to work all day today, 100 miles from the Seattle action. But I've been so busy working and going back & forth to Seattle that I didn't realize that my own little burg has its effort underway --

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One more thing: CORNELL WEST FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby semper occultus » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:37 am

hey seconded ..Elvis & all the rest of you....

btw Bruce have you had any adverse or suspicous reactions from anyone when you've tried to take pictures of them ?
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Free » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:04 am

Oh man, the news from Boston and Seattle is awful. But hopefully it will only strengthen their resolve when they find a new site.


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On that note, I overheard an organizer complain about at least one off-balance appearing protester entering the park. He said, "That's not real, that's just not real." The idea is that, along with provocateurs, PTB are sending in fake crazies to make the environment even less appealing to the mainstream.

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, when a seemingly psychotic man, on the fringes of Liberty Plaza NYC was ranting "They're killing people in Cambodia" and contorting himself in a menacing way. I moved away. The people near him were trying to calm him repeating "Calm, easy," etc.



Here's a pic from yesterday's beautiful and long Native American dance ceremony to celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day:

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International creativity is blossoming in New York. A big paper dragon with a paper mâché head, with 3-4 people under it, like the kind they use in the Lion dances on Chinese New Year was circling the park. "The sleeping dragon has awakened" was painted on it. Due to the thick crowd I couldn't get a good shot of it. BTW upcoming Lunar New Year is the year of the Dragon.

There was also an acoustic group playing songs from Italy's Puglia region.

There's a silk screening operation imprinting tee shirts with this and a we are the 99% design:


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:23 am

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Oct. 11, 2011, 12:00 a.m. EDT
5 myths of Occupy Wall Street
Commentary: Why big financial interests are getting worried


By David Weidner, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Occupy Wall Street, the month-long protest centered near the New York Stock Exchange, has the establishment scared.

What once was seen as a traffic problem in Lower Manhattan has elevated into a debate about economic inequality in America, with bulls-eyes trained on the backs of bankers. How else can one explain the sudden explosion of media coverage at Zuccotti Park, the discussion of the protests by the Republican field of presidential hopefuls and a shout-out by President Barack Obama last week?

Still, the media still doesn’t know what to make of this growing movement. Is it a liberal tea party? Is it Marxism run amok? Is it an Arab Spring on Wall Street? Is is a hippie gathering? Will Radiohead show up?
Having covered the protests for nearly the month they’ve been camped out downtown, I want to clear the air on some of the myths surrounding this movement in American society and politics.

Myth: The protesters are pushing for anarchy, support violence and communism.
Myth-makers: Ann Coulter, The Washington Times, bloggers, New Hampshire Tea Party, Ron Paul.
Fact: Many of the protesters are seeking jobs, are students or are underemployed. Not one of dozens of Occupy Wall Street protesters I spoke to want hand outs, or to overthrow democracy. Rather, they want a return to a democratic process free of corporate and special-interest money. The protests are a month old and have been mostly peaceful.

Myth: Most Occupy Wall Street protesters don’t know what they’re protesting.
Myth-makers: Author William Cohan, Donald Trump, Andrew Ross Sorkin of the New York Times.
Fact: It’s true Occupy Wall Street has become a melting pot of causes: environmentalism, anti-war peace protest and workers rights to name a few. But the protesters are uniformly opposed to a system that favors what they call the 1%: the super rich who have consolidated nearly 40% of the nation’s wealth. It’s no accident that they’ve picked Wall Street as their base. Big banks are responsible for creating the bubble that led to our recession and high unemployment. Moreover, bank executives who have failed nevertheless continue to get eye-popping rewards: for instance Sallie Krawcheck and Joe Price were ousted from Bank of America Corp. (NYSE:BAC) a few weeks ago. Their exit packages totaled $11 million. The bank lost $14 billion during the last year, announced it will charge debit-card holders $5 a month and is foreclosing on thousands of mortgages. The bottom line: you don’t have to be an expert on the machinations of global finance to know something is wrong here.

Myth: The protest is simply a liberal tea party.
Myth-makers: Me, Joe Biden, Michael Bloomberg, Jon Stewart
Fact: Like the tea party, Occupy Wall Street is concerned about the deficit, the Federal Reserve and mounting U.S. debt. But they don’t lay the blame on a government (they don’t absolve it either). Consider that banking and corporate profits created a bubble during the last decade at the U.S. Treasury through tax revenue. When the bubble popped, it bankrupted the government and thrust us into unsustainable long-term debt and annual deficits that this generation of mostly young protesters will have to pay off.
That sounds an awful lot like the tea party with one exception: they have a more sophisticated view of how the U.S. got into this debt quandary.

Myth: Occupy Wall Street is a paid group aimed at re-electing Obama.
Myth-makers: Herman Cain, The Daily Caller blog, Sean Hannity.
Fact: No one is getting paid to protest. In fact, many protesters have sacrificed income to march. Moreover, almost every protester I’ve spoken with has complained about Obama and how he’s pandered to Wall Street interests.

Myth: The protesters are hypocrites. They say they hate the banks, but they bank. They buy from big corporations. They’ve been spotted at McDonalds.
Myth-makers: Ginia Bellafante and Sorkin of the New York Times; Human Events, InfoWars blogs; Bernd Debusmann of Reuters.

Fact: It’s actually true. Occupy Wall Street protesters do buy products and services from corporate America. But does that make them hypocrites? Consider that most of these protesters are NOT against banks. They are against improper actions of banks: foreclosures, inequitable compensation. Nor are they against the bailouts. They just want the same opportunity for homeowners. Would they be less hypocrites if they grew their own zucchini at Zuccotti Park, made their own clothes and all banked at a credit union? The funny thing about credit unions: usually you need a job to join.

And from this example you can see why Occupy Wall Street is confusing to many Americans and threatening to powerful financial interests. In more ways than most Americans know, they are like them. They’re at the mercy of banks and big corporations. With the 2012 election just a year away, Occupy Wall Street has some tough decisions to make. Will they allow themselves to be co-opted by union interests and political candidates who want to turn their numbers into votes? Or will they remain fiercely independent, challenging the status quo? Wherever the movement goes, one thing is certain. Wall Street and Washington are paying attention. And they recognize Occupy Wall Street is a dangerous threat to the system. You can bet that 1% knows that part isn’t a myth.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:58 am

semper occultus wrote:hey seconded ..Elvis & all the rest of you....

btw Bruce have you had any adverse or suspicous reactions from anyone when you've tried to take pictures of them ?


On rare occasions, but it's usually been people who I just assumed were grouchy due to lack of sleep.

I don't think it was because they were provocateurs, if that's what you're driving at.

The vast majority of the protesters realize that they're in sort of a free-fire zone for cameras and are pretty eager to strike a pose for the movement.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby N8wide » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:04 am

"A belief which leaves no place for doubt is not a belief; it is a superstition."
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:53 am

To all the Tbaggers, how do you deal with your complicity and ignorance?
I know, watch FOX news...

The Catalyst of the Boston Tea Party
The Tea Act: The Catalyst of the Boston Tea Party

The Tea Act, passed by Parliament on May 10, 1773, granted the British East India Company a monopoly on tea sales in the American colonies. This was what ultimately compelled a group of Sons of Liberty members on the night of December 16, 1773 to disguise themselves as Mohawk Indians, board three ships moored in Boston Harbor, and destroy over 92,000 pounds of tea. The Tea Act was the final straw in a series of unpopular policies and taxes imposed by Britain on her American colonies. The policy ignited a “powder keg” of opposition and resentment among American colonists and was the catalyst of the Boston Tea Party. The passing of the Tea Act imposed no new taxes on the American colonies. The tax on tea had existed since the passing of the 1767 Townshend Revenue Act. Along with tea, the Townshend Revenue Act also taxed glass, lead, oil, paint, and paper. Due to boycotts and protests, the Townshend Revenue Act’s taxes were repealed on all commodities except tea in 1770. The tea tax was kept in order to maintain Parliament’s right to tax the colonies. The Tea Act was not intended to anger American colonists, instead it was meant to be a bailout policy to get the British East India Company out of debt. The British East India Company was suffering from massive amounts of debts incurred primarily from annual contractual payments due to the British government totaling £400,000 per year. Additionally, the British East India Company was suffering financially as a result of unstable political and economic issues in India, and European markets were weak due to debts from the French and Indian War among other things. Besides the tax on tea which had been in place since 1767, what fundamentally angered the American colonists about the Tea Act was the British East India Company’s government sanctioned monopoly on tea.


http://www.bostonteapartyship.com/the-tea-act

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But WHERE are you, Tbaggers? WHERE ARE YOU? Making fun of the protestors no doubt. Corporate slaves doing their bidding. SUCKERS. TRAITORS.

...and for the liars and COWARDS on the Alt. right who are too afraid to join, or are willing LOYALISTS to the Crown...worthless lying POSs.


Outside the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston:
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:24 am

David Brooks has reached page two of the corporate media whore playbook, but I'm surprised that it took him until the fourth paragraph to utilize the vague "protesters are really just antisemitic" smear.

I'm not a violent person, but few things would satisfy me more than a steel cage battle royal between David Brooks, Bill Keller, Chris Matthews, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, and a pride of hungry lions.

The Milquetoast Radicals
By David Brooks
October 10, 2011


The U.S. economy is probably going to stink for a few more years. It is beset by short-term problems (low consumer demand, uncertain housing prices, too much debt) and long-term problems (wage stagnation, rising health care costs, eroding human capital).

Realistically, not much is going to be done to address the short-term problems, but we can at least use this winter of recuperation to address the country’s underlying structural ones. Do tax reform, fiscal reform, education reform and political reform so that when the economy finally does recover the prosperity is deep, broad and strong.

Unfortunately, the country has been wasting this winter of recuperation. Nothing of consequence has been achieved over the past two years. Instead, there have been a series of trivial sideshows. It’s as if people can’t keep their minds focused on the big things. They get diverted by scuffles that are small, contentious and symbolic.

Take the Occupy Wall Street movement. This uprising was sparked by the magazine Adbusters, previously best known for the 2004 essay, “Why Won’t Anyone Say They Are Jewish?” — an investigative report that identified some of the most influential Jews in America and their nefarious grip on policy.

If there is a core theme to the Occupy Wall Street movement, it is that the virtuous 99 percent of society is being cheated by the richest and greediest 1 percent.

This is a theme that allows the people in the 99 percent to think very highly of themselves. All their problems are caused by the nefarious elite.

Unfortunately, almost no problem can be productively conceived in this way. A group that divides the world between the pure 99 percent and the evil 1 percent will have nothing to say about education reform, Medicare reform, tax reform, wage stagnation or polarization. They will have nothing to say about the way Americans have overconsumed and overborrowed. These are problems that implicate a much broader swath of society than the top 1 percent.

They will have no realistic proposal to reduce the debt or sustain the welfare state. Even if you tax away 50 percent of the income of those making between $1 million and $10 million, you only reduce the national debt by 1 percent, according to the Tax Foundation. If you confiscate all the income of those making more than $10 million, you reduce the debt by 2 percent. You would still be nibbling only meekly around the edges.

The 99-versus-1 frame is also extremely self-limiting. If you think all problems flow from a small sliver of American society, then all your solutions are going to be small, too. The policy proposals that have been floating around the Occupy Wall Street movement — a financial transfer tax, forgiveness for student loans — are marginal.

The Occupy Wall Street movement may look radical, but its members’ ideas are less radical than those you might hear at your average Rotary Club. Its members may hate capitalism. A third believe the U.S. is no better than Al Qaeda, according to a New York magazine survey, but since the left no longer believes in the nationalization of industry, these “radicals” really have no systemic reforms to fall back on.

They are not the only small thinkers. President Obama promises not to raise taxes on the bottom 98 percent. The Occupy-types celebrate the bottom 99 percent. Republicans promise not to raise taxes on the bottom 100 percent. Through these and other pledges, leaders of all three movements are hedging themselves in. They are severely limiting the scope of their proposed solutions.

The thing about the current moment is that the moderates in suits are much more radical than the pierced anarchists camping out on Wall Street or the Tea Party-types.

Look, for example, at a piece Matt Miller wrote for The Washington Post called “The Third Party Stump Speech We Need.” Miller is a former McKinsey consultant and Clinton staffer. But his ideas are much bigger than anything you hear from the protesters: slash corporate taxes and raise energy taxes, aggressively use market forces and public provisions to bring down health care costs; raise capital requirements for banks; require national service; balance the budget by 2018.

Other economists, for example, have revived the USA Tax, first introduced in 1995 by Senators Sam Nunn and Pete Domenici. This would replace the personal income and business tax regime with a code that allows unlimited deduction for personal savings and business investment. It’s a consumption tax through the back door, which would clean out loopholes and weaken lobbyists.

Don’t be fooled by the clichés of protest movements past. The most radical people today are the ones that look the most boring. It’s not about declaring war on some nefarious elite. It’s about changing behavior from top to bottom. Let’s occupy ourselves.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby semper occultus » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:29 am

Bruce Dazzling wrote:I don't think it was because they were provocateurs, if that's what you're driving at.

The vast majority of the protesters realize that they're in sort of a free-fire zone for cameras and are pretty eager to strike a pose for the movement.


I was thinking more they were genuine but might assume you were some sort of spook collecting photos to upload onto that that big facial-recognition computer or some such legitimately paranoid notion...( that'd be my first thought ! ) obviously a trusting & friendly bunch...
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:43 am

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:44 am

posting again from Platonia on previous page-

Boston Police Attack Veterans
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October 11, 2011 08:39 AM
'Scores' Arrested at #OccupyBoston Site Early This Morning

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:03 pm

PROTESTERS STORM U.S. Senate Hart Office Building... LIVE Broadcast!


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