'Freak' elevator death at Young & Rubicam spook firm.

[MacCruiskeen]

Where is the actual evidence that poor Ms. Hart was murdered? Nowhere. So what's Hugh's argument? That no accidents ever happen in places connected to the CIA? So no one working in (say) Langley has ever had a stroke or a heart attack or an epileptic fit, or stumbled down a flight of stairs, or contracted the flu or been punched by a colleague, or suffered a scalded tongue from hot coffee unless THE SPOOKS intended it?

How does Hugh know this? ("Histowy? It's a mystewy." - Toyah Wilcox.)

Normally I would apologise for repeating myself, but fuck that shit:

Where is the actual evidence that poor Ms. Hart was murdered?

What is the actual argument here???

Jesus wept!*

*I have absolutely no reliable empirical evidence for that assertion, but unlike Hugh, I at least admit I have no such evidence. It's just a feeling, a very strong feeling, backed up (unlike Hugh's assertion) by biblical hearsay. But at least it's plausible! Because, after all, how could Jesus not weep? Or indeed anyone else, under the circumstances.

[jingofever]

Where is the actual evidence that poor Ms. Hart was murdered?

Context. As he said, "Timed to go with the 'end' of a war started using elevators." We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators and now elevators are conveniently in the news as the Iraq War is supposedly ending. I mean, cui bono? The evidence is that she is dead.

[MacCruiskeen]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

[eyeno]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

That is disingenuous. You know exactly what Jingo means.

I have no idea if this woman killed in the elevator was a random killing or a spook job, and I don't care either way. No way I could could know.

But, you know exactly what Jingo means because its self evident. The tower elevators were used to bring down the buildings. This isn't complicated and you're wayyyy to intelligent not to understand the meaning. Carry on...

[Nordic]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

Seconded. What the FUCK are you talking about?

And when did delusions become contagious?

[Simulist]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

That is disingenuous. You know exactly what Jingo means.

Not sure about that, Eyeno. I'm not sure what Jingo means either — but that is probably my deficit, not Jingo's. But, for whatever reason, I'm missing the needed reference to understand it.

(Or, more likely tonight, I'm missing the needed wit.)

[eyeno]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

That is disingenuous. You know exactly what Jingo means.

Not sure about that, Eyeno. I'm not sure what Jingo means either — but that is probably my deficit, not Jingo's. But, for whatever reason, I'm missing the needed reference to understand it.

(Or, more likely tonight, I'm missing the needed wit.)

I have no intention of carrying on with this thread. But as a courtesy to you I decided to reply.

Been there and done that many times before on this subject.

All I can say for my closing comments is that this particular subject usually divides those that 'know' into two distinct camps. By which camp they choose ye can know them well.

And there is another camp that has no clue, but i'm doubting any regular RI readers live in it.

I'm pretty sure I know which camp everybody lives in but I have no desire drag through it all.

If there was a place like this that the internet water army could not invade I would inhabit it. But I have seen no place they have not penetrated, so I hang out and contribute for better or worse.

Namaste...and good will to all. Now I fade from this thread and go back to my regularly scheduled program...

[Simulist]

Thank you for your courtesy to me, Eyno. Sincerely.

[MacCruiskeen]

All I can say for my closing comments is that this particular subject usually divides those that 'know' into two distinct camps. By which camp they choose ye can know them well.

Well, with all due courtesy: get out of my face with your hands-across-the-water and your finger up me arse. What ugly self-regarding nonsense you talk while affecting selfless kindliness.

"Ye"! Jaysus!

[MacCruiskeen]

Lessons we have all learned from this thread:

1) Any fatal "accident" (ha ha) is a CIA assassination, especially if the victim is called Gillespie, or not called Gillespie.

2) The Iraq war was started by elevators.

Any spooks reading this thread must be quaking in their boots, because how can they resist our swarm intelligence?

[jingofever]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

I was pointing out that Hugh Manatee Wins only thinks this was murder because he has made the ridiculous stretch that the elevators in the WTC were a cause of the Iraq War, which would make innumerable things associated with 9/11 also causes of the Iraq War and make it a near certainty that there will be a random article around the time of the end of the war that will contain one or more of those elements. If a 747 encountered some bad turbulence over New York and somebody wrote an article about it he would claim that the CIA caused the turbulence. Of course elevators and turbulence have nothing to do with the Iraq War but he has made the context so wide that it is impossible not to find a suspect article.

[slomo]

We all agree that the Iraq War was started using elevators

What on earth are you talking about?

I was pointing out that Hugh Manatee Wins only thinks this was murder because he has made the ridiculous stretch that the elevators in the WTC were a cause of the Iraq War, which would make innumerable things associated with 9/11 also causes of the Iraq War and make it a near certainty that there will be a random article around the time of the end of the war that will contain one or more of those elements. If a 747 encountered some bad turbulence over New York and somebody wrote an article about it he would claim that the CIA caused the turbulence. Of course elevators and turbulence have nothing to do with the Iraq War but he has made the context so wide that it is impossible not to find a suspect article.

It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?

I tend to ignore HMW's rants, but I marvel at the impenetrable fortress of his self-referential logic.

[DoYouEverWonder]

I don't blame Hugh or anyone else not responding once the pile on starts. This whole page is nothing but put downs. Keep patting yourselves on the back. You win again.

[dbcooper41]

pardon me while i pimp my opinion on elevators.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26418&hilit=+elevator

[dbcooper41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqY9MrMOyRk
please note the precision with which they hit their target.

the explosive of choice
http://www.explosives.co.za/products/explosives/ael-packaged-explosives.html?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=8&sobi2Id=78


and this PDF explains that the smartdet igniters only requires a crimp on connection to a twisted pair cable so the building could be wired in less than 1 day. though truth is they had all the time and access they needed by controling the elevator crew.

http://www.detnet.com/detnet/value/Nine ... %20De..pdf