The Hugh Manatee Challenge

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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby slomo » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:10 pm

Occult Means Hidden wrote:The holier-than-thou attitude of Hugh is wrong. It's not what he's saying, its how he's saying it. The OP isn't even a legit challenge because i'm hard pressed seeing inconsistency in timelines.

Branding "s.o.p." to any and everyone is saying "standard operating procedure". Alluding that those he disagrees with are disinfo agents and it assumes he knows what the "s.o.p."s actually are, while poor stupid us don't understand the way things work. Not only is this calling us disinfo agents, but it's disruptive, presumptuous and against decent board etiquette.

I've seen ppl kicked for lesser reasons on this board.

Yes. Exactly.

I think to keep my tranquility in this thread and others, I'm just going to stick to the experiment related to the OP and my elaborations on it, and ignore all conversations that involve proving Hugh right or wrong. Hugh ignores all objections and critiques, and I dislike his presence enough to not really care anymore if he's right and can prove it.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:22 pm

Nordic wrote:DrVolin, why the desperate scrambling to try to salvage something out of HMW's pet theories? Like I said before, why not let he himself do the work and prove them?

And Slomo, please don't go, we've already lost one of my favorite people here because of Hyoo.


Nordic, I want you to get
that
I really REALLY R E A L L Y GET that you cant stand this topic or HMW.

My intuition is that there is a lot of interesting stuff that could emerge from this thread, but it needs a bit of breathing room, no?
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby Nordic » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:32 pm

Well yes, the subject of propaganda is my favorite one, which is probably why Hyoo bugs me so much. Its fucking impossible to have a decent conversation on it at r.i. without him derailing or polluting it.

It would be to awesome to have a thread that doesn't involve his bullshit, and doesn't bend over backwards in energy-sucking attempts to accomodate his nonsense.

(Hyoo has managed to ignore the OP of this thread and still have it be all about him. Even though the general consensus seems to be he should be voted off the island. )

So how can there be "breathing room" from Hyoo in a thread that is explicitly about Hyoo?
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby slomo » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:41 pm

Nordic wrote:Well yes, the subject of propaganda is my favorite one, which is probably why Hyoo bugs me so much. Its fucking impossible to have a decent conversation on it at r.i. without him derailing or polluting it.

It would be to awesome to have a thread that doesn't involve his bullshit, and doesn't bend over backwards in energy-sucking attempts to accomodate his nonsense.

(Hyoo has managed to ignore the OP of this thread and still have it be all about him. Even though the general consensus seems to be he should be voted off the island. )

So how can there be "breathing room" from Hyoo in a thread that is explicitly about Hyoo?

Your observations on propaganda are a lot more valuable than ... others'.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:09 pm

Nordic wrote:Well yes, the subject of propaganda is my favorite one, which is probably why Hyoo bugs me so much. Its fucking impossible to have a decent conversation on it at r.i. without him derailing or polluting it.

It would be to awesome to have a thread that doesn't involve his bullshit, and doesn't bend over backwards in energy-sucking attempts to accomodate his nonsense.

(Hyoo has managed to ignore the OP of this thread and still have it be all about him. Even though the general consensus seems to be he should be voted off the island. )

So how can there be "breathing room" from Hyoo in a thread that is explicitly about Hyoo?


The 'breathing room' I referred to was actually to avoid unending statements on a theme of 'HMW is bollox' .
Sepka's orginal post is really interesting . I appreciate your interest in non-KWH propaganda.

I want to get back to the OP
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby eyeno » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:49 pm

Dr. Volin wrote:

The Allies certainly used a crude form of it in WWII when they would embed unlikely words or sentence constructions in cultural programing or news broadcasts to occupied europe to activate certain groups or give go signals for certain events. It might have gotten a whole lot more sophisticated since then.



And this well known little situation:

"How did you possibly ever know that"?

"Oh, A little bird told me". (said with a smug smile)


Its no secret to regular RI readers that there is a language used by the initiated that only they understand, for the most part. In the simplest sense a person needs look no further than the "double speak" used by politicians. I also call it the "mirror language" because it sounds and feels like the language of the common folk but often means exactly the opposite.



Oblique references occur in extant texts to 'Green Language' and 'The Language of Birds'. What is this mysterious language, and is it really 'language' at all?

"What unsuspected marvels we should find, if we knew how to dissect words, to strip them of their barks and liberate the spirit, the divine light, which is within." - Fulcanelli

The Language of Birds, referenced in various alchemical and mythological texts, is not as much an actual 'language' as it is a cabbalistic term which has been used over time to convey an occultic transference between that which is above to that which is below. It has been referenced as a mystical language, the language of the Gods and even 'Green Language", but rather than having a specific, intrinsic textual meaning, is more an idea of esoteric thought, a catalyst of form which spans diverse religions, and something of an enigma all its own.

As regards the language of Birds, and perhaps the truth within the truth within it, luminous obscurity is the order of the day. It is not subject to any specific mindset, belief, school of thought or dogma. There are only cryptic references and subtle nudgings in its general direction. Its closest approximation would be a 'no-language language' in which what is never said is implicitly understood. It is a paradigm of thought which draws the student into an awareness of the conscious manifestation of concept and esoteric comprehension without the sometimes limiting boundaries of language itself.

Green Language and The Language of Birds

Intentional obscurity is common in matters of the Occult (which simply means 'hidden'. Jesus often instructed his disciples in parables, and the apostles were considered to be 'Stewards of the Mysteries'. In esoteric teaching, it is common to obscure the true meaning of a lesson within a subtle context for both practical purposes (such as sentence of death to adherents) or resourceful ones (to train the novitiate to look deeper still). With a specific regard to Fulcanelli in his 'Mysteries of the Cathedrals', he referred to all of the initiates as speaking in 'cant', and after a closer inspection it becomes clear that the medium, rather than the message, was the message.

David Ovason in his work 'The Secrets of Nostradamus [Harper Books - August 6, 2002] further elaborates on the origins of how the 'Green Language" came to be:

"The original source for the term Green Language was the French Langue Vert. The Vert (Green) is almost certainly an example of arcane aphesis. In French, ouvert means open. The Langue Ouvert was the open language, the tongue of ordinary men. When ouvert became vert by this aphetic change, it meant the opposite of open, i.e. closed; the Langue Vert was therefore the closed language, the occult language, the hidden tongue."
Curious Observations of Humans and Bird Language, Mythological and Otherwise

Birds have traditionally played an important role in mythology and religion being able to travel in three of four elements: Air, Water and Earth. Nearly every religion details mythos or fable in the form of a bird in some form, as in the examples of:

Melampus in Greek Mythology, who was given the language of Birds after two serpents licked his ears when he slept;

Odin's birds, Hugin and Munin, that flew about the world and revealed to Odin the deeds of Mortal Men;

Dag the Wise, Swedish King, who was rumoured to have understood the secret language of Birds, and who had a house sparrow that was said to bring news to him. When a farmer killed the bird, a terrible retribution was waged by the Swedes;

Sigurd, who while roasting the heart of Fafnir, was given the language of Birds, and whose life was saved through overhearing birds discussing the plot of his death by Regin;

The Talmud, which defines Solomons' proverbial wisdom as being given to him through the language of birds by God;

Tiresias, the Greek seer who revealed to mortals the secrets of Olympus. Tiresias was taught the language of the birds by Athena, the goddess of wisdom;

St. Francis of Assisi, who dedicated his preaching to birds, because "his words were more appreciated by them that by men, obstinate to live in ignorance.";

Thoth, Egyptian deliverer of Wisdom unto the Earth, who was specifically depicted as having the head of a bird.

http://l-cheever-gessaman.suite101.com/ ... rds-a25713





For my own self I have no doubt that a modern form of this arcane form of communication exists today. I see it woven into movies, mainstream news, symbols, and other forms of communication. When I first began to see this hidden form of communication it appeared to be some form of unexplainable synchronous hypersonic cosmic telepathic spiritual form of communication. I caught on to something I could not explain to myself or others. I saw and understood things I could not explain to other people.

After much study I understood that I was witnessing an arcane occult form of communication known only to a few. I became able to predict future events in a way never before dreamed possible. I understood the synchronous events I was witnessing and understood that it was being brought about by human agency.

I don't doubt that Hugh sees a lot of this. I believe that he does.

I also admit to being dumbfounded by many of his examples and sometimes it may be because I don't study psyops with the same method that he does.

It also seems apparent to me that he is taking the above principle and stretching it well beyond its feasible limits, and then some, to say the least. I am able to ignore these instances and every so often I even learn something from them because it takes my mind into alleys it would have never gone on its own. If its true that people have quit participating in this forum because of Hugh I think that says as much about the quitters as it does Hugh. Yes I realize his tone is a bit obnoxious and that he is too persistent but I am able to simply swiftly read past it and keep going. (forum moderation does seem necessary though) This place is like a Chinese Menu and if I don't like what I see I don't let it drive me crazy, I just keep reading the menu until I find something I like better.


language of birds
http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs10s/inject.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_birds
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17177884/Lang ... -the-Birds
http://www.occultopedia.com/l/language_of_the_birds.htm
http://www.philipcoppens.com/birdlanguage.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/birdlanguage.html
http://www.j-tull.com/discography/solo/ ... rson/slob/
http://www.studiesincomparativereligion ... uenon.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X5WMu_oJnQ
http://wflantry.com/?page_id=450
http://birdlanguage.com/the-history-of-bird-language/
http://www.regenerativedesign.org/courses-events/rdna
http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2011/12/l ... birds.html
http://l-cheever-gessaman.suite101.com/ ... rds-a25713
http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/viewp ... Guenon.pdf
http://www.manifestyourpotential.com/wi ... nguage.htm
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html
http://www.linguafiles.com/yes-communic ... nguistics/
http://www.wtc.com/news/silverstein-pro ... lanyc-team
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:35 pm

Mea culpa I've been really really sickl and cranky as hell, a bad sitch for attempting to illuminate sophisticated covert systems against deniers.
Makes me come off as the brittle 'unreasonable' crank detractors love to paint me.

If barracuda thinks there may not even be a real Atwater found with C4, then that's a wholly manufactured psyops story. Easy to do. Common.
If barracuda thinks a real guy named Atwater got framed up by planting C4 in his luggage...that's propaganda-of-the-deed, Easy to do. Common.
Both options confirm my assertion this is a classic example of masking a liability, Lee Atwater, at a key time, the Repub caucuses, with psyops.

I've actually talked to a famous sci-fi writer who had to put CIA stuff in his work.
He was nervous as hell and there were repercussions to our discussion.

Psyops was computerized in the mid-70s, according to the Pentagon's own manuals.
Counter-insurgency was computerized in the 60s according to Project Camelot. Um, not the UFO website.

Media is coordinated very much like air-traffic control keeping track of keywords and themes for social control.
Counterpropaganda has to account for an accumulation of things to hide for 'morale,' scandals, atrocities, corruption, whistleblowers, black ops, etc.
Much like the way NASA monitors the accumulating space junk in orbit to prevent a disastrous collision with new launches.

I also note how friction is applied online and in media to exposing this system to see who is a pro vs who just doesn't get it yet.

Chip CIA Berlet's line has a familiar ring to it-
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/cons_not.html
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby eyeno » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:03 am

Mea culpa I've been really really sickl and cranky as hell, a bad sitch for attempting to illuminate sophisticated covert systems against deniers.
Makes me come off as the brittle 'unreasonable' crank detractors love to paint me.



Thats a no shitter. I know you have a lot of knowledge locked up in that head of yours. I see the potential. As many have said "its your delivery". Homeboy, you can't tell people, or insinuate, that they are dumbasses if they don't see your point. Most people cannot see what you know, or "think" you know. Most people cannot see what I see. Most people cannot see what most RI regulars see. We all see different parts of this puzzle. If we chastise people that don't see what we see they will NOT become converts and they will not learn. Hugh, its as simple as jerking up a child and beating it without telling it why it is getting a beating. Beatings are seldom necessary in my opinion, and you dish them out often.

This has been said before but here goes:

Instead of saying:

"I know" maybe you should say "maybe this is possible".

Instead of: "you are crazy if you don't see it" maybe you should say "what about this angle?"

You ain't stupid. I need not continue.


Media is coordinated very much like air-traffic control keeping track of keywords and themes for social control.
Counterpropaganda has to account for an accumulation of things to hide for 'morale,' scandals, atrocities, corruption, whistleblowers, black ops, etc.
Much like the way NASA monitors the accumulating space junk in orbit to prevent a disastrous collision with new launches.



No doubt. We all know that is true. None of us are ignorant of that fact. I consider it a fact for myself. But, we hate to be force fed what we already know. Its like taking a huge dose of "no kidding what else?"

I don't doubt you have talent in that head of yours. I swore off this thread because I didn't want to be involved in all the disagreement that surrounds this subject. I decided to join the people that have tried to help you better formulate what is in your head because I believe you have something to offer if you could figure out a way to explain it without being a force feeder. I wish you well Hugh. I learn from every so often.

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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:19 am

All good advice, eyeno, "without being a force feeder."

Some get the info-management schema and others don't.
I think social control should be monitored and exposed consistently to warn as many as possible.

The 'old news' dismissal can be out-of-sight-out-of-mind and is even recommended as a counterpropaganda option by Pentagon and CIA memos.
So I don't want the subject, which takes a bit of a learning curve, to be minimized.

People who reject certainty on a subject...or...want people to reject certainty on a subject....will impede transmission more than mealy-mouthed-maybes.
I think. I'm honest about my certainty-ain't just a hype- because I've researched psyops in-depth since 2005.

I can't put lots of it online in this place. Life and death stuff. Would be irresponsible. I learned the hard way. Very high stakes subject.

Kudos to all who engage the topic of psyops. It is modern Naziism as covert insidious occupation of civilian populations.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby eyeno » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:38 am

People who reject certainty on a subject...or...want people to reject certainty on a subject....will impede transmission more than mealy-mouthed-maybes.
I think. I'm honest about my certainty-ain't just a hype- because I've researched psyops in-depth since 2005.



And the above sort of make my point. If you tell a child Santa Claus does not exist the child will roll up in a ball and refuse to listen. This is an over simplified description because everybody at RI knows the metaphorical Santa Claus never came down the chimney.

What is "certain" to you is NOT CERTAIN TO OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CERTAINLY SEE WHAT YOU SEE.

When I was five years old other children told me Santa Claus did not exist and they were certain of that certain fact. I did not believe them.

When I was seven years old other children told me that the rubber bag with the hose on it hanging in the bathroom was something my mother was using to inject fluids into her vagina. I did not believe them.

The above samples are way over simplified but I feel that they may be necessary for some reason. The people on this forum are over the Santa Claus myth but they sometimes disagree on exactly how the presents arrived or got taken away. (if that makes sense)

None of us, and I mean NONE OF US, can be more than the product of what we have been exposed to up until THIS VERY LAST MOMENT of our lives. You are DEMANDING that we be otherwise. Can't be that way Hugh. We will roll up in a ball and cover our eyes.

Dig?

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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby norton ash » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:54 am

Wow, dig the manatee whisperer.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby barracuda » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:02 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:If barracuda thinks there may not even be a real Atwater found with C4, then that's a wholly manufactured psyops story. Easy to do. Common.
If barracuda thinks a real guy named Atwater got framed up by planting C4 in his luggage...that's propaganda-of-the-deed, Easy to do. Common.
Both options confirm my assertion this is a classic example of masking a liability, Lee Atwater, at a key time, the Repub caucuses, with psyops.


What I actually think about Trey Atwater is that his story is pretty much as he tells it - that he mistakenly brought the explosives onto the plane. It's my opinion that munitions are probably so routinely crossing the poorly defined borders between military and civilian life that this sort of thing likely happens all the time, see here, and here, for example.

And here is where I have a problem with your modus operandi: I find it far more likely that this story is being pushed as a way of acclimating the civvies to the idea that returning soldiers are a danger to them. Sympathy for the troops needs to be drained out of the news watching public, so that when the VA benefits continue to be revealed as the complete sham they are, there will be less of an outcry. Pursuing the idea that it has something to do with Lee Atwater dilutes the actual psyop happening in regular old psyop fashion, and diverts attention from what's really going on. The government knows the returning soldiers will be a problem, for public morale and due to the various false promises the government ill be unable to keep. So it's time to downplay the whole "support the troops" thing and work against it. Nobody gives a damn about a political operative who died twenty years ago. The world has moved on completely.

Chip CIA Berlet's line has a familiar ring to it-
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/cons_not.html
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I don't really know or care in this context if Chip Berlet turns out to be David Petraeus' very own psyop boy-toy. There's a good deal of truth in that statement, and all I have to do to prove it is position my elbow so it's pointing at Alex Jones.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby eyeno » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:07 am

barracude wrote:

What I actually think about Trey Atwater is that his story is pretty much as he tells it - that he mistakenly brought the explosives onto the plane. It's my opinion that munitions are probably so routinely crossing the poorly defined borders between military and civilian life that this sort of thing likely happens all the time, see here, and here, for example.

And here is where I have a problem with your modus operandi: I find it far more likely that this story is being pushed as a way of acclimating the civvies to the idea that returning soldiers are a danger to them. Sympathy for the troops needs to be drained out of the news watching public, so that when the VA benefits continue to be revealed as the complete sham they are, there will be less of an outcry. Pursuing the idea that it has something to do with Lee Atwater dilutes the actual psyop happening in regular old psyop fashion, and diverts attention from what's really going on. The government knows the returning soldiers will be a problem, for public morale and due to the various false promises the government ill be unable to keep. So it's time to downplay the whole "support the troops" thing and work against it. Nobody gives a damn about a political operative who died twenty years ago. The world has moved on completely.



I have to admit that this was also my most immediate thought. Taking the starch out of a returning soldier is a high priority.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:04 am

barracuda wrote:I find it far more likely that this story is being pushed as a way of acclimating the civvies to the idea that returning soldiers are a danger to them. Sympathy for the troops needs to be drained out of the news watching public, so that when the VA benefits continue to be revealed as the complete sham they are, there will be less of an outcry.


The facts of the Atwater story are almost certainly as you read them, but this part of your analysis questionable. It conflicts with the constant state need to glorify military personnel.

For example
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=33809

Less sympathy for the troops gets in the way of recruitment and war propaganda. As things normally function, there really isn't a need to inoculate the public against an outcry over VA benefits. Simple distraction when the story comes out will do. (All else failing: hit us with a bunch of atrocities all at once.) Whether the "occupy" effect will change that, I don't know.

The only thing I read into this story is that Atwater was very lucky that 1) his name is not Al-Wader and 2) he didn't have an OWS sticker or something else vaguely leftist on his bag.
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Re: The Hugh Manatee Challenge

Postby eyeno » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:12 am

But, a returning soldier that reports that America is not under threat of Jihad, and that his true duty was to be a mercenary for empire is not what empire desires. Empire does not want returning soldiers to report that they guarded poppy field, oil fields, etc...This is what I mean when I said "taking the starch out of returning soldiers is high priority".

Not that Hugh's story has anything to do with this. But if the story were a plant for the media I would suspect it would be to cast doubt on returning soldiers so that people would view them as ptsd nutso.
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