Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

[Project Willow]

Thanks for the Haley story. I'm not surprised she's from Alabama.

I don't follow UFO phenomenon, are there any estimates on the numbers of "abductees"?

[elfismiles]

^^ Thanks for the anecdotes LPT. I think I've heard of similar ops.

We're having Nick Redfern speak here in Austin this weekend.

Might get the chance to ask him if he's encountered anything like that.

- SMiles

[elfismiles]

Thanks for the Haley story. I'm not surprised she's from Alabama.

I don't follow UFO phenomenon, are there any estimates on the numbers of "abductees"?

Hola Willow.

Well, there is the oft referenced but severely flawed - at least in most pro-abduction ufologists' interpretations IMHO - Roper Poll / Reprot:

Prevalence

Reports of the abduction phenomenon have been made around the world, but are less common outside of English speaking countries, especially the United States.[4]

[edit] The Roper PollIn 1991, Hopkins, Jacobs and sociologist Dr. Ron Westrum commissioned a Roper Poll in order to determine how many Americans might have experienced the abduction phenomenon. Of nearly 6,000 Americans, 119 answered in a way that Hopkins et al. interpreted as supporting their ET interpretation of the abduction phenomenon. Based on this figure, Hopkins estimated that nearly four million Americans might have been abducted by extraterrestrials. The poll results are available at this external link: The Roper Poll: UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life, Americans' Beliefs and Personal Experiences

[edit] CriticismHowever, critics have argued that there were significant problems with the poll's methodology which should invalidate the results. Writing in Skeptical Inquirer, psychologist Susan Blackmore notes that based on her analysis, "I conclude that the claim of the Roper Poll, that 3.7 million Americans have probably been abducted, is false."[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abdu ... Roper_Poll

When I worked for Origin Systems Inc. (OSI) the computer game company of Richard Garriott, we had about 150 employees and 3 had privately confided in me that they felt they had experienced "alien abduction" style encounters.

[LilyPatToo]

Re: the link between some "alien abductions" and possible mind control program intrusions--I've met a number of people on abduction websites who turned out to have all the markers for having grown up in programs that exploit highly dissociative people. Some continue to have missing time too, so their involvement is possibly ongoing and lacking in diagnosis or treatment for their dissociative disorders. Others experienced it in childhood, but not since then, though it left them with a consuming passion for UFO and paranormal-related subjects that's probably deliberately programmed into their minds. And unfortunately that too often leads them to what I think of as "flypaper sites" where they can be more easily monitored and their programming reinforced by abductee or contactee gurus who've most likely been found in the ranks of high-functioning program survivors.

Unlike Ms. Haley, I haven't yet reached the conclusion that all abductions are by covert human operatives, though. I know reliable people who've had experiences beyond what can be faked...or at least beyond what the conspiracy community has thus far learned about "deep black" tech. But having been paying very close attention to the many correlations between "alien" abductions and the human ones for 7 years now, I believe that there are a lot more of the latter than the former showing up online at fringe sites. I've been flamed to a crisp for saying so, too. It just bugs the hell out of me that honest people are being deceived and exploited by intelligence agencies and their corporate buddies and simultaneously jeered by the public.

I'm with Leah Haley--either people with knowledge of this kind of tampering speak out or another generation will be callously exploited by a bunch of sociopaths. And I'd like to see the nuts-and-bolts UFO people get involved too--it's the fringes of their field that are being farmed too and they're being lumped in with the abductees by most of the public. But until dissociation and the covert induction of screen memories are clearly understood, we'll go no where. If I had a nickel for every time I've had to listen to a deluded New Ager earnestly insist that hypnosis can't make anyone do anything against their moral code--

LilyPat

[operator kos]

For whatever little it's worth, the White House has asked The People to send in petitions on whatever topics they feel are important. PRG is spearheading a UFO/ET petition effort:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/formally-acknowledge-extraterrestrial-presence-engaging-human-race-disclosure/wfYDlmlG?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

[Bruce Dazzling]

Christopher Knowles and the ELUSIVE COMPANION HYPOTHESIS

Christopher Knowles (from THE SECRET SUN) has coined a new term, The ELUSIVE COMPANION HYPOTHESIS as a way to better articulate the elusive meta-weirdness that surrounds the UFO phenomenon.

Mr. Knowles speculates that if there's a signal out there, it's being filtered out. Shamans, occultists, sick children and other thought-criminals seem to pick up on the signal when the stars are all aligned. It's a fleeting state, but it's driven forward our evolution in ways we don't quite understand.

And sometimes, even humble "Joe Normal" gets zapped by this signal on his very own road to Damascus. And even Haywood Floyd got zapped in a 40 foot pit on the moon.

And here's the Secret Sun post about the interview.

[Nordic]

Just FYI for the sheer hell of it, a friend of mine posted on Facebook this morning that a large number of people on the crew of a TV show that he's working on saw UFO's this morning, while it was still dark, over Los Angeles. He didn't see them himself, but a whole lot of other people did. I'm trying to find out if anybody photographed it (it was a film crew after all).

If I find out more I'll post it here.

Here's what his comment said about it:

They saw a silver and red light circling each other, then hovering close to each other and then flying away. Crazy I tells ya

[crikkett]

Christopher Knowles and the ELUSIVE COMPANION HYPOTHESIS

Christopher Knowles (from THE SECRET SUN) has coined a new term, The ELUSIVE COMPANION HYPOTHESIS as a way to better articulate the elusive meta-weirdness that surrounds the UFO phenomenon.

Mr. Knowles speculates that if there's a signal out there, it's being filtered out. Shamans, occultists, sick children and other thought-criminals seem to pick up on the signal when the stars are all aligned. It's a fleeting state, but it's driven forward our evolution in ways we don't quite understand.

And sometimes, even humble "Joe Normal" gets zapped by this signal on his very own road to Damascus. And even Haywood Floyd got zapped in a 40 foot pit on the moon.

Dear Lord, May Chris Knowles One Day be Interviewed by Someone with an Audio Presence at Least Equal to His Own. The man needs a PR agent. He's a lion playing with yarn.

Seriously, how many of us have endorsed him over the last four or five years? He can do better, I think.

[Bruce Dazzling]

[RobinDaHood]

[Stephen Morgan]

Quit living in the past.

[operator kos]

I was tempted to start a new thread for this video, but we'll see how it fares here...



The tone is humble and agnostic, providing food for thought rather than claiming to reveal the absolute truth. Nevertheless there is a definite perspective provided, which might resonate with folks here. Some of the main talking points are as follows:

*Richard Dolan is cool.
*Karla Turner is cool.
*Steven Greer sucks.
*"The Secret" / New Age pure positivity / ego-centric manifest-your-own-reality ideas are one-dimensional, delusional, and dangerous.
*The 'aliens' behind the abduction phenomenon are not benevolent.
*Said aliens are perhaps transdimensional beings who have been with humanity since the beginning and are akin to the parasitic archons of gnostic teachings.
*There may be benevolent aliens out there too, but they seem to be taking a hands-off approach out of respect for our own free will / evolutionary destiny.

[Simulist]

I was tempted to start a new thread for this video, but we'll see how it fares here...



The tone is humble and agnostic, providing food for thought rather than claiming to reveal the absolute truth. Nevertheless there is a definite perspective provided, which might resonate with folks here. Some of the main talking points are as follows:

*Richard Dolan is cool.
*Karla Turner is cool.
*Steven Greer sucks.
*"The Secret" / New Age pure positivity / ego-centric manifest-your-own-reality ideas are one-dimensional, delusional, and dangerous.
*The 'aliens' behind the abduction phenomenon are not benevolent.
*Said aliens are perhaps transdimensional beings who have been with humanity since the beginning and are akin to the parasitic archons of gnostic teachings.
*There may be benevolent aliens out there too, but they seem to be taking a hands-off approach out of respect for our own free will / evolutionary destiny.

Yeah, I used to believe some of that.

But I (and lots of other people, too) are often much too ready to draw conclusions.

And why do any of us presume that there is a category at all in human thinking that even approaches phenomena so strange as this?

[crikkett]

I was tempted to start a new thread for this video, but we'll see how it fares here...

The tone is humble and agnostic, providing food for thought rather than claiming to reveal the absolute truth. Nevertheless there is a definite perspective provided, which might resonate with folks here. Some of the main talking points are as follows:

*Richard Dolan is cool.
*Karla Turner is cool.
*Steven Greer sucks.
*"The Secret" / New Age pure positivity / ego-centric manifest-your-own-reality ideas are one-dimensional, delusional, and dangerous.
*The 'aliens' behind the abduction phenomenon are not benevolent.
*Said aliens are perhaps transdimensional beings who have been with humanity since the beginning and are akin to the parasitic archons of gnostic teachings.
*There may be benevolent aliens out there too, but they seem to be taking a hands-off approach out of respect for our own free will / evolutionary destiny.

I was disappointed to see that Laura knight-jadzyk was taken seriously.
As above, so below: if in reality the earth is actually a prison, or a farm, or a petri dish, what then?

[hanshan]

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I was tempted to start a new thread for this video, but we'll see how it fares here...

The tone is humble and agnostic, providing food for thought rather than claiming to reveal the absolute truth. Nevertheless there is a definite perspective provided, which might resonate with folks here. Some of the main talking points are as follows:

*Richard Dolan is cool.
*Karla Turner is cool.
*Steven Greer sucks.
*"The Secret" / New Age pure positivity / ego-centric manifest-your-own-reality ideas are one-dimensional, delusional, and dangerous.
*The 'aliens' behind the abduction phenomenon are not benevolent.
*Said aliens are perhaps transdimensional beings who have been with humanity since the beginning and are akin to the parasitic archons of gnostic teachings.
*There may be benevolent aliens out there too, but they seem to be taking a hands-off approach out of respect for our own free will / evolutionary destiny.

I was disappointed to see that Laura knight-jadzyk was taken seriously.
As above, so below: if in reality the earth is actually a prison, or a farm, or a petri dish, what then?

Indeed
Et tu, ...?



(Couldn't resist) ... carry on

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