Coming Soon - War with Iran?

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Ben D » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:09 am

‘War in Iran would mean WWIII’

RT
Published: 30 January, 2012, 12:53

The military build-up and economic sanctions against Iran are designed to unleash a global war from the Mediterranean to China with unpredictable consequences, warns Michel Chossudovsky, Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization.

Tensions between Iran and the West are close to crisis level. With massive help from the western media, Iran has firmly become embedded as the root of all evil in the minds of many westerners.

The author of the book Towards a World War Three Scenario, The Dangers of Nuclear War told RT that “The issue of Iran’s nuclear weapons is a red herring, but this red herring could lead us to a WWIII scenario.” He also recalled all the American military bases with nuclear weapons close to Iran’s borders.

Michel Chossudovsky recalled that a couple of weeks ago, America’s Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta quite categorically stated to CBS that Iran neither possesses, nor is developing nuclear weapons. Panetta did not rule out that there are still diplomatic means to cut Iran’s Gordian knot.

But considering the US military preparations around Iran, this statement rather looks like a deceptive maneuver.
Last week, EU nations adopted an unprecedented set of sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

These include a complete embargo on oil supplies from Iran, and are expected to come into force in July.

“What we are witnessing here is a build-up towards a military confrontation. These sanctions constitute the staging of a military agenda,” feels Michel Chossudovsky. “In turn, we have massive deployment of US military hardware, troops going to Israel to be stationed in Israel, more troops go to Kuwait, [American] naval forces are entering the Persian Gulf.”

Michel Chossudovsky believes that “What the United States wants now, including its allies, is some kind of a green light which will give a human face to a war.”

On Monday, the UN nuclear inspectors started a three-day mission to examine Iran's atomic activities. Tehran says the talks with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the first in more than three years, will prove its nuclear program is purely peaceful.

With the visit of the IAEA inspectors, Iran is playing a diplomatic card, believes Chossudovsky. The IAEA is not politically controlled, so once it confirms Iran’s nuclear program has peaceful purposes, this should undermine the aggressive intentions of the West. The US needs a contrary statement from the IAEA to use this for transition to a new – military – stage in the Iran drama.

“This war has already started. There are drone attacks, there are special [American] forces inside Iran and there is financial warfare,” considers Michel Chossudovsky.

Plans to invade Iran emerged immediately after the invasion of Iraq, Chossudovsky informs, with military preparations begun around 2005, so by now everything should be ready and in place for a full-scale military conflict.

“The WWIII scenario is unthinkable. This war would extend from the Meditarranean to the Chinese border. It could possibly include Russia and China,” Michel Chossudovsky concluded. “We could find ourselves at a very critical crossroads.”
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby ninakat » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:21 pm

Saturday February 4
Day of Mass Action to Stop a U.S. War on Iran

NO war! NO sanctions! NO intervention! NO assassinations!

Endorsers include (list is growing):

World Can’t Wait * United National Anti-War Coalition (UNAC) * International Action Center (IAC) * SI! Solidarity with Iran * Refugee Apostolic Catholic Church * Workers World Party * CODEPINK Women for Peace * American Iranian Friendship Committee * ANSWER Coalition * Antiwar.com * Peace of the Action * ComeHomeAmerica.us * St. Pete for Peace * WAMM, Women Against Military Madness * Defenders for Freedom, Justice & Equality-Virginia * WESPAC Foundation * Minnesota Peace Action Coalition * Twin Cities Peace Campaign * Bail Out The People Movement (BOPM) * We Won’t Fly * Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS) * Granny Peace Brigade * Veterans for Peace – NYC Chapter 034 * Waco Friends of Peace * Malcolm X Center for Self Determination * David Swanson, Author of When the World Outlawed War * Phil Wilayto, Author of In Defense of Iran: Notes from a U.S. Peace Delegation’s Journey through the Islamic Republic * Ramsey Clark, Former US Attorney General, awarded UN Human Rights Award * Cindy Sheehan, National Co-ordinator of Peace of the Action * Ray McGovern, Veterans for Peace * Karla Hansen, Producer/Director “Silent Screams” * George Phillies, Editor for Liberty for America * Larry Everest, correspondent for Revolution Newspaper, author of Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and the US Global Agenda

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A look at this map shows which country is surrounding Iran with military.
These are the U.S. military bases we know about which surround Iran.
Who is the aggressor in the Middle East?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby eyeno » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:11 am




Good reading thanx. From the atlantic.

It could work with other oil producers to punish America economically.


I posted an article up thread about other countries buying from Iran with gold. It strikes me that most of those countries would not do so unless they got the official nod maybe. That would cut the dollar loose from some of its obligations in the event that something 'unexpected' might happen with the dollar. Just my muse but don't know where it goes.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:30 am

The two quotes which most shocked me

"Companies deciding which kind of toothpaste to market have much more rigorous, established decision-making processes to refer to than the most senior officials of the U.S. government deciding whether or not to go to war,"


After all this effort, I am left with two simple sentences for policymakers," Sam Gardiner said of his exercise. "You have no military solution for the issues of Iran. And you have to make diplomacy work."


My take away from these is that Bibi or Ehud make the decision, it is going to be based on feelings and currently they are in a deeply paranoid state -
and that if Barack makes the decision , it will have been taken based on poor information presented on Powerpoint, in a poorly designed meeting structure, with little thought to consequences or future developments.

I once did some new product corporate consulting - it was a product that had been in development for five years, $10s of millions spent on it, worked on by dozens of people across Europe. Problem - it wasnt very good. It was o k but not great despite everyones best efforts.
We had a day where we got everyone in the room - which ended up looking like mission control. We used our knowledge of different countries method of doing business - eg Cloggies are famous for very 'in your face' , right from the start. Cross team meetings to fertilise ideas, everyone's issues captured accurately and mapped out.
When everyone is heard and everyone has all of their input acknowledged and displayed, people start to take public ownership "Our team will get this info to the group inside 1 hour" - then something magical happens - which is politics starts to disappear for a few hours and solutions and realisations emerge from a kind of 'shared mental RAM'. Synchronicity abounds. Debates flourish. The volume of conversation gets louder and louder. You start to hear more laughter.

By the end of the day - the decision was clear. The project was canned. We spent the last period looking to the past - acknowledging the work and effort of many people over years, who did their best in their field - and then looked into the "What's Next". A group of more deeply connected smiling people left the room, knowing the best decision had been taken. :)

I wish I could get the whole system into the room. Just one day... who knows...
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:01 am

Very interesting interview and article from Gareth Porter on AntiWar Radio yesterday that almost gives me hope that we (USA) won't be involved in war with Iran...


Gareth Porter
February 02, 2012| Iran, Israel | Scott Horton


Gareth Porter, investigative historian and journalist specializing in U.S. national security policy, discusses Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey’s warning to Israel’s government that the US would not be dragged into war with Iran by a unilateral Israeli attack; why Iran might hold the US accountable for an Israeli strike anyway, and counterattack US targets in the region; Mossad’s general agreement with the US National Intelligence Estimate on Iran (that there is no evidence Iran has decided to pursue a nuclear weapons program); and why Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak seems to think Israel isn’t ready for military action.

MP3 here. (19:50)
http://dissentradio.com/radio/12_02_02_porter.mp3

Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in U.S. national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2012/02/02/gareth-porter-142/






Dempsey Told Israelis US Won’t Join Their War on Iran
by Gareth Porter, February 02, 2012

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey told Israeli leaders Jan. 20 that the United States would not participate in a war against Iran begun by Israel without prior agreement from Washington, according to accounts from well-placed senior military officers.

Dempsey’s warning, conveyed to both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, represents the strongest move yet by President Barack Obama to deter an Israeli attack and ensure that the United States is not caught up in a regional conflagration with Iran.

But the Israeli government remains defiant about maintaining its freedom of action to make war on Iran, and it is counting on the influence of right-wing extremist views in U.S. politics to bring pressure to bear on Obama to fall into line with a possible Israeli attack during the election campaign this fall.

Obama still appears reluctant to break publicly and explicitly with Israel over its threat of military aggression against Iran, even in the absence of evidence Iran has decided to build a nuclear weapon.

Dempsey’s trip was highly unusual, in that there was neither a press conference by the chairman nor any public statement by either side about the substance of his meetings with Israeli leaders. Even more remarkable, no leak about what he said to the Israelis has appeared in either U.S. or Israeli news media, indicating that both sides have regarded what Dempsey said as extremely sensitive.

The substance of Dempsey’s warning to the Israelis has become known, however, to active and retired senior flag officers with connections to the JCS, according to a military source who got it from those officers.

A spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Commander Patrick McNally, offered no comment Wednesday when IPS asked him about the above account of Dempsey’s warning to the Israelis.

The message carried by Dempsey was the first explicit statement to the Netanyahu government that the United States would not defend Israel if it attacked Iran unilaterally. But Defense Secretary Leon Panetta had given a clear hint in an interview on Face the Nation Jan. 8 that the Obama administration would not help defend Israel in a war against Iran that Israel had initiated.

Asked how the United States would react if Israel were to launch a unilateral attack on Iran, Panetta first emphasized the need for a coordinated policy toward Iran with Israel. But when host Bob Schieffer repeated the question, Panetta said, “If the Israelis made that decision, we would have to be prepared to protect our forces in that situation. And that’s what we’d be concerned about.”

Defense Minister Barak had sought to dampen media speculation before Dempsey’s arrival that the chairman was coming to put pressure on Israel over its threat to attack Iran, but then proceeded to reiterate the Netanyahu-Barak position that they cannot give up their responsibility for the security of Israel “for anyone, including our American friends.”

There has been no evidence since the Dempsey visit of any change in the Netanyahu government’s insistence on maintaining its freedom of action to attack Iran.

Dempsey’s meetings with Netanyahu and Barak also failed to resolve the issue of the joint U.S.-Israeli military exercise geared to a missile attack, “Austere Challenge ’12,” which had been scheduled for April 2012 but had been postponed abruptly a few days before his arrival in Israel.

More than two weeks after Dempsey’s meeting with Barak, the spokesman for the Pentagon, John Kirby, told IPS, “All I can say is that the exercise will be held later this year.” That indicated that there has been no major change in the status of U.S.-Israeli discussions of the issue since the postponement of the exercise was leaked Jan. 15.

The postponement has been the subject of conflicting and unconvincing explanations from the Israeli side, suggesting disarray in the Netanyahu government over how to handle the issue.

To add to the confusion, Israeli and U.S. statements left it unclear whether the decision had been unilateral or joint as well as the reasons for the decision.

Panetta asserted in a news conference Jan. 18 that Barak himself had asked him to postpone the exercise.

It now clear that both sides had an interest in postponing the exercise and very possibly letting it expire by failing to reach a decision on it.

The Israelis appear to have two distinct reasons for putting the exercise off, which reflect differences between the interests of Netanyahu and his defense minister.

Netanyahu’s primary interest in relation to the exercise was evidently to give the Republican candidate ammunition to fire at Obama during the fall campaign by insinuating that the postponement was decided at the behest of Obama to reduce tensions with Iran.

Thus Mark Regev, Netanyahu’s spokesman, explained it as a “joint” decision with the United States, adding, “The thinking was it was not the right timing now to conduct such an exercise.”

Barak, however, had an entirely different concern, which was related to the Israeli Defense Forces’ readiness to carry out an operation that would involve both attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities and minimizing the Iranian retaliatory response.

A former U.S. intelligence analyst who followed the Israeli military closely told IPS he strongly suspects that the IDF has pressed Barak to insist that the Israeli force be at the peak of readiness if and when they are asked to attack Iran.

The analyst, who insisted on anonymity because of his continuing contacts with U.S. military and intelligence personnel, said the 2006 Lebanon War debacle continues to haunt the thinking of IDF leaders. In that war, it became clear that the IDF had not been ready to handle Hezbollah rocket attacks adequately, and the prestige of the Israeli military suffered a serious blow.

The insistence of IDF leaders that they never go to war before being fully prepared is a primary consideration for Barak, according to the analyst. “Austere Challenge ’12″ would inevitably involve a major consumption of military resources, he observes, which would reduce Israeli readiness for war in the short run.

The concern about a major military exercise actually reducing the IDF’s readiness for war against Iran would explain why senior Israeli military officials were reported to have suggested that the reasons for the postponement were mostly “technical and logistical.”

The Israeli military concern about expending scarce resources on the exercise would apply, of course, regardless of whether the exercise was planned for April or late 2012. That fact would help explain why the exercise has not been rescheduled, despite statements from the U.S. side that it will be.

The U.S. military, however, has its own reasons for being unenthusiastic about the exercise. IPS has learned from a knowledgeable source that, well before the Obama administration began distancing itself from Israel’s Iran policy, U.S. Central Command chief James N. Mattis had expressed concern about the implications of an exercise so obviously based on a scenario involving Iranian retaliation for an Israeli attack.

U.S. officials have been quoted as suspecting that the Israeli request for a postponement of the exercise indicated that Israel wanted to leave its options open for conducting a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities in the spring. But a postponement to the fall would not change that problem.

For that reason, the former U.S. intelligence analyst told IPS he doubts that “Austere Challenge ’12″ will ever be carried out.

But the White House has an obvious political interest in using the military exercise to demonstrate that the Obama administration has increased military cooperation with Israel to an unprecedented level.

The Defense Department wants the exercise to be held in October, according to the military source in touch with senior flag officers connected to the Joint Chiefs.

(Inter Press Service)

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:55 pm

A friend of mine just said this on facebook:

"I think we should starting bombing Iran on Sunday night! Just think...the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels could fly over the stadium at the start of the Superbowl and then continue on towards Iran! Fuck yeah, man!"
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:31 pm


Israel, U.S. Divided Over Timing of Potential Military Strike Against Iran
By Nicole Gaouette and Jonathan Ferziger - Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM CT

The U.S. and Israel are publicly disagreeing over timing for a potential attack on Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.

“There’s a growing concern -- more than a concern -- that the Israelis, in order to protect themselves, might launch a strike without approval, warning or even foreknowledge,” Aaron David Miller, a former Mideast peace negotiator in the Clinton administration, said today.

The U.S. and Israel have a “significant analytic difference” over estimates of how close Iran is to shielding its nuclear program from attack, Miller said today. The differing views were underscored by public comments yesterday by senior Israeli and U.S. defense officials.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Israel must consider “an operation” before Iran reaches an “immunity zone,” referring to Iran’s goal of protecting its uranium enrichment and other nuclear operations by moving them to deep underground facilities such as one at Fordo, near the holy city of Qom.

“Today, unlike the past, the world has no doubt that Iran’s nuclear program is steadily nearing readiness and is about to enter an immunity zone,” Barak said in an address to the annual Herzliya Conference at the Interdisciplinary Center academic campus north of Tel Aviv.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta declined to comment directly on a report by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius that Panetta believes there is a strong likelihood Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June. Panetta and other U.S. officials have repeatedly warned Israel not to act alone against Iran.

Not a Rift
“Israel has indicated that they’re considering this” through public statements, Panetta told reporters traveling with him in Brussels yesterday. “And we have indicated our concerns.”

Israelis think Iran will reach the immunity zone in “half the time the Americans think it will,” Miller said. Even so, Miller said, “to take that difference and talk about a growing rift” between Israel and the U.S. “is by and large an overstatement.”

Panetta stressed today that the U.S. and Israel are in agreement on the need to do what is necessary to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

“We’ve made very clear that they cannot, they cannot develop a nuclear weapon,” Panetta told troops at Ramstein Air Base in Germany.

Strike ‘Premature’
The chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, has said it is “premature” to resort to military force because sanctions are starting to have an impact on Iran. In a Jan. 26 interview with National Journal, Dempsey said he delivered a similar message of caution to Israel’s top leadership during a visit to the Jewish state in early January.

U.S. intelligence agencies think Iran is developing capabilities to produce nuclear weapons “should it choose to do so,” James Clapper, the U.S. director of national intelligence, told the Senate Intelligence Committee on Jan. 31.

“We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons,” he said.

While leaders of both countries agree that time must be given to gauge the impact of the latest set of economic sanctions on Iran, Israel’s patience is shorter than that of the U.S., Ephraim Kam, deputy director of Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies, said.

‘May Be Too Late’
“It will take at least six months to see whether sanctions are effective and by then it may be too late,” said Kam, author of the 2007 book, “A Nuclear Iran: What Does it Mean, and What Can be Done.”

Israeli leaders have said their country is able to withstand Iranian retaliation, according to Kam, pointing to a Nov. 8 statement by Barak that “in any scenario there won’t be 50 thousand or 5,000 or even 500 dead.”

U.S. concern that an Israeli strike may also expose American personnel and its allies to Iranian retaliation makes the Obama administration more cautious, Kam said.

“We’re definitely using different clocks,” he said.

Barak said again this week that military action must be considered if sanctions fail.

“Today, unlike in the past, there is widespread global understanding that if the sanctions don’t achieve their goal of halting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, there will arise the need of weighing an operation,” Barak said.

Moshe Yaalon, Israel’s vice prime minister and its former top military commander, said Iran still doubts international resolve to take military action against it.

Iranians Doubt Resolve
“The Iranians believe that the determination still isn’t there, both in regards to military action and in regards to sanctions,” Yaalon told the Herzliya conference a few hours before Barak spoke.

“It’s possible to strike all Iran’s facilities, and I say that out of my experience as IDF chief of staff,” he said referring to the Israeli Defense Forces.

Israeli Army Chief of Staff Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz told the conference on Feb. 1 that his nation must be “willing to deploy” its military assets because Iran may be within a year of gaining nuclear weapons capability.

Gantz said international sanctions are starting to show some results. The European Union agreed last month to ban Iranian oil imports as of July 1 and freeze assets of its central bank and eight other entities. The U.S. has also imposed restrictions on financial transactions with Iran.

IAEA Plans Talks
The U.S., its European allies and the International Atomic Energy Agency have said that while Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, there are indications it may still be trying to move toward a nuclear weapon. They have challenged the government in Tehran to prove that its nuclear work is intended only for energy and medical research, as Iranian officials maintain.

Nuclear talks this week between senior IAEA officials and members of Iran’s government progressed enough for both sides to commit to more negotiations, Chief Inspector Herman Nackaerts told reporters on Feb. 1 at Vienna International Airport after returning from Iran.

To contact the reporters on this story: Nicole Gaouette in Washington at ngaouette@bloomberg.net; Jonathan Ferziger in Tel Aviv at jferziger@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Walcott at jwalcott9@bloomberg.net

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby eyeno » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:14 pm

Mossad’s general agreement with the US National Intelligence Estimate on Iran (that there is no evidence Iran has decided to pursue a nuclear weapons program); and why Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak seems to think Israel isn’t ready for military action.



The U.S. and Israel are publicly disagreeing over timing for a potential attack on Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.



Cynical radar extrapolates that into a cohesive team with definite plans. When intelligence agencies dump narratives into the public info stream in situations like this it probably serves no purpose other than to fog the windows and create the appearance of division and discontent within the system which I suspect is not the case.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:43 pm

FWIW,There was a BBC programme last night that was providing a behind the scenes look at the 2008 Georgia War, with interviews with Condi Rice, Robert Gates and the Russian President at the time.

Rice was duplicitous in the extreme, the Georgian President came across like a loose cannon in human form, Putin about 50 IQ points more than the American delegation (he was actually into design thinking!!!)
- the Neocons came across as being dumb and deeply fixed and unimaginative ideologues.

One thing to mention was the quality of exchange between the top levels of government was MUCH more like squabbling kids fighting in a school yard than anything else. It was fascinating. I could absolutely see how Rice had her meteoric rise. Her self-justifications are stated with the certainty of theorems. Her slightly ineffectual soft mask hides an incredibly duplicitous poisonous centre.

Robert Gates - WTF? Eric Edelman? Steven Hadley? GTFOOH!
Panetta? <eyeroll>
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11-7


I think there is a shit load of conflict between Israel and the US over Iran at this moment.
Iran is pretty fractured internally, with Ahmadinejad having a lot of conflict with the Ayatollahs apparently. His base is with the poor who will obviously take the brunt of sanctions.

One thing that the Iranians have NOT done which really surprised me, is to get the discussion about WHY it is not 'acceptable' for them to have nuclear power.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby The Consul » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Indeed, the WORLD needs to know why it is okay for Israel to have scores of thermonuclear warheads without even admitting they possess them while Iran dares to suggest they have the right to even think of developing them. Perhaps if Israel offered to disarm her arsenal in exchange for Iran's non development, no one would have anything to worry about.

Would Americans want to consider supporting a regime that refused to sign the non proliferation treaty, spied on us facilities and obtained US nuclear triggering device secrets through espionage? Probably not. But the conversation never occurs in the corporate media. A fundamental question regarding the basis for the current unrest goes unasked.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby jingofever » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:40 pm

Before Israel bombed Iraq did they talk it up for months or years? I don't remember them hyping up their bombing of Syria. It is supposed to be a precision strike, they don't want Iran ready to send fighters after Israeli jets. The more they talk about it the less I believe it will happen. Oh well, it really would have spiced up the Super Bowl.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby ninakat » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:43 pm

The Consul wrote:Indeed, the WORLD needs to know why it is okay for Israel to have scores of thermonuclear warheads without even admitting they possess them while Iran dares to suggest they have the right to even think of developing them. Perhaps if Israel offered to disarm her arsenal in exchange for Iran's non development, no one would have anything to worry about.

Would Americans want to consider supporting a regime that refused to sign the non proliferation treaty, spied on us facilities and obtained US nuclear triggering device secrets through espionage? Probably not. But the conversation never occurs in the corporate media. A fundamental question regarding the basis for the current unrest goes unasked.


Indeed. But it's intentional, of course.... to continue to demonize Iran. And, since you asked the question that dare not speak its name, you are now going on the terrist watch list and can be deported henceforth.

Glenn Greenwald deals with the demonizing today, and draws the parallels to Saddam and Iraq:

Iran is the root of all evil
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby ninakat » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:51 pm

Israel Puts Global Facilities On High Alert Following Warning Of Rising Iran Strike Threat
Zero Hedge, 02/03/2012

While the world rejoices in the aftermath of the enjoyable diversion in which a fake market surges on fake, politically-motivated data, which incidentally refutes the warning voiced last week by the Fed Chairman who has a far better grasp of the economy than the BLS, warned last week, the confluence of real events continues to indicate that something is brewing in the middle east. Only this time it is not the US adding another aircraft carrier to the three already situated by the Straits of Hormuz. This time the smoke and fire come from Israel. ABC reports that "Israeli facilities in North America -- and around the world -- are on high alert, according to an internal security document obtained by ABC News that predicted the threat from Iran against Jewish targets will increase. "We predict that the threat on our sites around the world will increase … on both our guarded sites and 'soft' sites," stated a letter circulated by the head of security for the Consul General for the Mid-Atlantic States. Guarded sites refers to government facilities like embassies and consulates, while 'soft sites' means Jewish synagogues, and schools, as well as community centers like the one hit by a terrorist bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994 that killed 85 people." Hopefully the head of security's prediction track record is better than that of the CBO, and that the very act of prediction does not in effect "make it so." At least courtesy of this latest escalation by Israel we get a clue of what to focus on, if not so much who the actual aggressors will be. In the meantime, Iran, which has been dealing with hyperinflation for weeks now, and likely has bigger problems to worry about than focusing on "soft sites" will naturally sense this escalation as the provocation it may well be meant to be, respond in kind, which will lead to further responses of definite attacks imminent by Iran's adversaries, and so on, and so forth, until finally the dam wall finally cracks.

Regarding who may be attacked, ABC had this to say:

    The head of Shin Bet, Israel's internal security service, told an audience at a closed forum in Tel Aviv recently that Iran is trying to hit Israeli targets because of what it believes are Israeli attacks on it nuclear scientists. Yoram Cohen said that Iran's Revolutionary Guard, the same militant wing of the government linked to the recent alleged plot against the Saudi ambassador to the U.S., is working tirelessly to attack Israeli and Jewish targets abroad in order to deter Israel.

And just how is attacking Jewish targets abroad detering Israel? Oh wait, the assumption is that Iran is completely irrational and willing to provoke anyone for the sake of converting itself into one big lake of glass. Or so the public should believe. Got it.

Naturally, the 'response' is already in play.

    Local and regional law enforcement and intelligence officials in U.S. and Canadian cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Toronto have been monitoring the situation closely for several weeks, and have stepped up patrols at Israeli government locations and Jewish cultural and religious institutions. They have issued awareness bulletins reminding officers to stay vigilant.

    Federal officials in those cities told ABC News that they have also increased their efforts to watch for any threat stream pointing to an imminent attack on either Israeli facilities, Jewish cultural or religious institutions or other "soft targets."

    "When there is posturing like this, we always pay extra attention to any threat streams," one federal official said.

    "The thwarted assassination plot of a Saudi official in Washington, D.C., a couple of months ago was an important data point," added the official, "in that it showed at least parts of the Iranian establishment were aware of the intended event and were not concerned about inevitable collateral damage to U.S. citizens had they carried out an assassination plot on American soil."

    "That was an eye opener, showing that they did not care about any collateral damage," the federal official said.

    After the disruption of the alleged plot, regional intelligence centers issued bulletins similar to the recent Israeli warning.

Here is what has to be accepted as fact for the narrative to work:

    "In the past few weeks, there has been an escalation in threats against Israeli and Jewish targets around the world," one regional document noted. "Open source has reported many demonstrations against Israel are expected to be concentrated on Israeli embassies and consulates. Such demonstrations have occurred internationally as well as domestically. These demonstrations could potentially turn violent at local synagogues, restaurants, the Israeli Embassy and other Israeli sites. … Law enforcement should be vigilant when making periodic checks at all Jewish facilities.

Once that is engrained in the public conscience, the letter's climax becomes a foregone conclusion:

    "In conclusion, we operate according to the information that Iran and Hezbollah are working hard and with great intensity to release a 'quality' attack against Israeli/Jewish sites around the world."

We've seen this play by play many times before and frankly at this point the posturing is getting just silly. What we do want to find out, however, is how will Russia get involved in all of this. Because if recent actions are any precedent, we fully expect Putin to send an aircraft carrier, purely symbolically, in the Arabian Sea himself, just to indicate that any invasion, pardon, liberation, of Iran crude, will first have to go through him. And not to mention China... or India.

Finally, because some have expressed curiosity why the USS Enterprise, the oldest aircraft carrier in the US Navy, will be the 3rd "supporting" carrier in the Straits area, when it is due for decommissioning next year, here is one video with a theory, whether correct or incorrect, on why events may be transpiring the way they are.

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Ben D » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:29 am

Hmmm, a bit of horse trading going on.......Russia warns of 'scandal' if Syria UN draft put to vote

Russia has dismissed media reports that it would give “the green light” to the US to attack Iran in order to dissuade the Western powers from carrying out a military action against Syria.

“Nothing could be further from the truth than the assertion that our country may cut a backroom deal, giving the green light to a US military operation against Iran in exchange for Western non-interference in Syria's internal affairs,” state-run RIA Novosti news agency cited a statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry on Friday.

“We leave that to the conscience of their authors,” the statement pointed out.

The report comes as Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Ya'alon has threatened Iran with a military strike against its atomic facilities in an attempt to force the Islamic Republic to abandon its nuclear activities.

Speaking at the 12th Annual Herzliya Conference in Israel on Thursday, Ya'alon stressed that Tel Aviv “must convince China, Russia and Turkey” to withdraw their support for Tehran over the US-engineered bans on Iran's energy and banking sector.

Meanwhile, British Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said on February 2 that he was worried that the US and Israel would “take matters into their own hands and launch a military strike against Iran.”

He added that Britain had been attempting to demonstrate that “there are very tough things we can do which are not military steps in order to place pressure on Iran.”

The United States, Israel, and some of their allies accuse Tehran of pursuing military objectives in its nuclear program. Washington and Tel Aviv have repeatedly threatened Tehran with the "option" of a military strike against its atomic facilities.

Iran argues that as a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it has every right to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

The IAEA has conducted numerous inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities but has never found any evidence indicating that Tehran's civilian nuclear program has been diverted to nuclear weapons production.
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