JackRiddler wrote:Nordic wrote:Sorry but the OP is election year divide/conquer bullshit.
It's true to a point but so what? Its trying to push peoples' buttons and ratchet up the hate.
"They" write the exact same things about us. "They hate you because you go to church and believe in the word of God". You know. "Those liberals fucking hate you."
Its easy to fall for this stuff, and I've fallen for it myself, repeatedly, over the years.
Bullshit.
Especially the third paragraph, according to which I'm supposed to put "their" imagination on a par with reality. When did liberals ever call for the banning of churches, or make it illegal for Catholics and fundamentalists to marry?
The exercise of power, the physical abuse and state bias in each case is almost exclusively one-way: Against that perceived as left. Against that perceived as other. Against the have-nots.
I'm talking about the real state, not the stated ideals or the state as imagined by the right wing. Where do you see the billyclubs swinging, the tasers and tear-gas grenades firing, the LRAD trucks releasing sonic attacks, the stop-and-frisks en masse? Not at the Tea Party rally, even when they brandish automatic weapons. Not at the Chamber of Commerce. Not in rich white neighborhoods. Did you see what just happened to several hundred OWS occupations around the country? How can you sustain an equivalence argument after that?
And no, I'm not going to put hating some people because they ACT a certain way on the same plane as hating people because they ARE a certain way. The unconditional identity-based hate in this country has always come almost exclusively from people who identify politically to the right, and more from the top than the bottom.
Easy equivalence arguments are pernicious. Also a stock in trade of the right. They learned the lingo of revolution and tried to reverse every critique of them. The primary way they express their racism in discourse nowadays is to complain about "reverse racism."
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Utter divisive shite, like the O.P.
Variations on a theme of "well they would say that, wouldn't they"
Since when did you learn to mind read?
How do you know what another persons imagination is capable of?
How many of these people (ie humans, who bleed red like you) have you actually TALKED with?
By talk I don't mean attempting to do a home run in the World Liberal Argumentation Series of 2012, I mean to listen to them?
What your saying lands with me as you hate nearly half of the US and have nothing to say to them except they are wrong. It's all reasons 'why not' why you shouldn't engage with them, how it will somehow contaminate you, that they are 'wrong' and you are 'right'.
If you want to see where 'liberal' IS, never mind is GOING, 11 out of 15 of the wealthiest members of the Congress and Senate are fucking Democrats!
Your concepts are EXACTLY the same thinking that the Tories had about the IRA - right down to the violence arguments of the UK government not setting off bombs in shopping centres and were not about to speak to people who did.
Eventually they talked.

People who don't get listened to will eventually escalate as far as necessary to be heard.
This isn't a process that gets stopped by others saying they are wrong and refusing to speak.