Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:04 pm

slimmouse wrote:Meanwhile ,Bruce, Staying on topic, what should we call them ?


Well, slim, this entire debacle began on the first page with this post...

slimmouse wrote:How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ? I think those terms distill better than any who these dupes ,( in the vast majority of cases) are actually fronting for. That might give them all something to think about.


Red Shield stooges was clearly a reference to the Rothschilds and their much ballyhooed (in certain circles) control of the world.

If you wish to call the Israeli lobby Red Shield Stooges, then it becomes your responsibility to explain why that is a viable label.

I'm not in AD's head, but when he brought Icke into the picture, I understood it to be a shorthand method of pointing out that there's really a dearth of verifiable sources that back up the claim that the Rothschilds are in control of anything any more.

In the video posted by AD, Icke said this:

Icke wrote:"This hand, called The house of Rothschild, takes the money from the United States and hands it to this hand, called Israel of the House of Rothschild and says thank you very much."


You supported that assertion by saying the following:

slimmouse wrote:Icke believes that the Rothschilds are one facet of the spider. And since his books if anyone dare read them anymore, (given the AD cartoon show), are chocked full of evidence to support this claim based on years of research, then I aint gonna argue.


I responded to that by asking you a very specific question. I asked you to either explain to me what information Icke bases his conclusions on, or, failing that, to explain how YOU have come to the conclusion that Icke is correct.

You still haven't done that, and since I've asked you to do it multiple times, I'm assuming that you haven't done it because you can't do it.

In any event, this thread is no longer the place to provide such evidence.

Going forward, if you want to discuss Icke and the Rothschilds, please use the new thread I've created called The Rothschilds: Put your money where your mouth is.

Carry on.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby crikkett » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:57 pm

Thank you, Alice. I want to shout this from the rooftops!

AlicetheKurious wrote:
barracuda wrote:Is it possible in this context to support Israel as a geo-political entity without being considered a zionist or zionist enabler? This goes back to the basic question of whether or not Israel ought to exist at all, in any form, a question which I doubt many here would be interested in addressing sincerely, fraught as it is with just the semantic landmines that AIPAC, et al. depend upon for their suppression of discussion.


I'll address it as sincerely (and succinctly) as I can. To your first question, the clear answer is no. Israel is the geo-political embodiment of zionism -- zionism is the idea, or the plan, Israel is the actualization of that plan.

Like Nazism, zionism is inherently immoral. It posits superior territorial and other "rights" for one category of persons, Jews, at the expense of others.

Zionism is a colonial, racist ideology that in effect justifies armed robbery, ethnic cleansing and racist oppression for the purpose of establishing and expanding the Jewish state in lands that legally belong to non-Jews. Israel is a colonial, racist state that practices armed robbery, ethnic cleansing and racist oppression against Palestine's non-Jewish population in order to exist.

Which brings us to your second question. Even if we could coldly dismiss the past atrocities and other crimes against millions of Palestinians, and simply consign them to hell, and decide that it doesn't matter if those who systematically terrorized, massacred, robbed and herded them like animals into refugee limbo should continue to profit from their crimes, another problem would remain: how many more people are you prepared to sacrifice as the price for Israel's continued existence?

Because that's the question. How many more lives are you prepared to consign to hell? For Israel's leaders and strategists, the answer is: whatever it takes to preserve Jewish dominance over Palestine. Even when they don't spell it out, their actions are loud and clear. But many do spell it out. As the Israeli geostrategist and former adviser to Ariel Sharon, Haifa University professor Arnon Soffer, put it: ""When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it's going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day."

Israel, the Jewish State, is predicated on a decisive and stable Jewish majority of at least 70 percent. Any lower than that and Israel will have to decide between being a Jewish state and a democratic state. If it chooses democracy, then Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. If it remains officially Jewish, then the state will face an unprecedented level of international isolation, including sanctions, that might prove fatal.
-Michael B. Oren, Israeli Ambassador to the United States


Hard retentionists know they will have to rewrite the rules of democracy, and plead a special exemption clause for "Jewish democracy" and for the elevation of Jewish-only rights. Palestinians are to be dehumanized, human and civil rights groups and international humanitarian law excoriated and a vocabulary created for laundering and justifying an apartheid reality.
-Daniel Levy, political analyst & lead Israeli drafter of the Geneva Accord


Palestinians have been so dehumanised by Israeli Jews – whether politicians, soldiers or ordinary citizens – that killing them comes naturally, as did expelling them in 1948, or imprisoning them in the Occupied Territories. The current Western response indicates that its political leaders fail to see the direct connection between the Zionist dehumanisation of the Palestinians and Israel’s barbarous policies in Gaza.
- Ilan Pappe, Historian and Author


Yitzhak Laor, Israeli poet and author, explains:

...Israel is engaged in a long war of annihilation against Palestinian society. The objective is to destroy the Palestinian nation and drive it back into pre-modern groupings based on the tribe, the clan and the enclave. This is the last phase of the Zionist colonial mission, culminating in inaccessible townships, camps, villages, districts, all of them to be walled or fenced off, and patrolled by a powerful army which, in the absence of a proper military objective, is really an over-equipped police force, with F16s, Apaches, tanks, artillery, commando units and hi-tech surveillance at its disposal.

The extent of the cruelty, the lack of shame and the refusal of self-restraint are striking, both in anthropological terms and historically. The worldwide Jewish support for this vandal offensive makes one wonder if this isn’t the moment Zionism is taking over the Jewish people.

But the real issue is that since 1991, and even more since the Oslo agreements in 1993, Israel has played on the idea that it really is trading land for peace, while the truth is very different. Israel has not given up the territories, but cantonised and blockaded them. The new strategy is to confine the Palestinians: they do not belong in our space, they are to remain out of sight, packed into their townships and camps, or swelling our prisons. This project now has the support of most of the Israeli press and academics.

We are the masters. We work and travel. They can make their living by policing their own people. We drive on the highways. They must live across the hills. The hills are ours. So are the fences. We control the roads, and the checkpoints and the borders. We control their electricity, their water, their milk, their oil, their wheat and their gasoline. If they protest peacefully we fire tear gas at them. If they throw stones, we fire bullets. If they launch a rocket, we destroy a house and its inhabitants. If they launch a missile, we destroy families, neighbourhoods, streets, towns.

Israel doesn’t want a Palestinian state alongside it. It is willing to prove this with hundreds of dead and thousands of disabled, in a single ‘operation’. The message is always the same: leave or remain in subjugation, under our military dictatorship. We are a democracy. We have decided democratically that you will live like dogs.

On 27 December just before the bombs started falling on Gaza, the Zionist parties, from Meretz to Yisrael Beiteinu, were unanimously in favour of the attack. As usual – it’s the ritual again – differences emerged only over the dispatch of blankets and medication to Gaza. Our most fervent pro-war columnist, Ari Shavit, has suggested that Israel should go on with the assault and build a hospital for the victims. The enemy is wounded, bleeding, dying, desperate for help. Link


So, given the fact that "Israel" is defined as a Judeo-supremacist state in Palestine, then my answer (and the answer of any well-informed, decent person) is a resounding no.


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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:11 pm

1) "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

2) "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

3) "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

4) "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

5) "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

6) "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

7) "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

8- "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

9) "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

10) "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

11) "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

12) "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

13) "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

14) "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

15) " create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

16) " are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

17) "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

18- "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

19) "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

20) "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

21) "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

22) "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

23) "I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

24) "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

25) "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

26) "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

27) “I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
— Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

28- “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
— Rabbi Yaacov Perrin (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6)
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:54 am

Published 04:38 04.03.12
Latest update 04:38 04.03.12

It's just a matter of time before U.S. tires of Israel
Israel doesn't know when to stop, and it could pay dearly as a result.
By Gideon Levy


An elephant and an ant will meet in Washington on Monday for a critical summit. But wait, who here is the elephant and who the ant? Who is the superpower and who the patronage state?

A new chapter is being written in the history of nations. Never before has a small country dictated to a superpower; never before has the chirp of the cricket sounded like a roar; never has the elephant resembled the ant - and vice versa. No Roman province dared tell Julius Caesar what to do, no tribe ever dreamed of forcing Genghis Khan to act in accordance with its own tribal interests. Only Israel does this. On Monday, when Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu meet at the White House, it will be hard to tell which one is the real leader of the world.

For the past few years the Israeli cricket has been chirping "Iran," and the world responds with a muffled echo. It isn't that Iran is only an Israeli problem, but North Korea could endanger Japan just as much as Iran endangers Israel - and the world has not come running to Japan's side. Netanyahu's Israel has dictated the global agenda as no small state has ever done before, just as its international standing is at its nadir and its dependence on the United States at a zenith.

To the miracles of the rebirth of the Hebrew language after two millennia, the establishment of a thriving country of immigrants in the Land of Israel in such a short span of time and the invention of the kibbutz, we must now add another, much more deserving of a place on the list of the seven wonders of the world than the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio de Janeiro, than the Roman Colosseum or the Great Wall of China: Israel's wondrous power in the face of the United States. There is no rational explanation.

Israel features in the American presidential campaign as no other foreign country does, with the candidates vying for the sobriquet of "biggest Israel-lover" to the point where it often seems to be the main issue. Rich Jews like Sheldon Adelson donate enormous war chests to candidates for the sole purpose of buying their support for Israel, while the president of the United States, who won with a message of change, was forced to fold up, at lightning speed, the flag of planting peace in the Middle East simply because Israel said "No." If last week a British member of the House of Lords was forced to resign from Parliament after daring to criticize Israel, in the United States she would never have even considered making her views known.

Israel is teaching the world a lesson in international relations: Size doesn't matter. When it comes to foreign policy Europe toes the U.S. line much more than tiny Israel does. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also taught the world that it's possible to tell the American president "No," bluntly and explicitly, and not only remain alive but even to gain in strength. So Obama begged for an extension of the settlement construction freeze - so what? Netanyahu will take care of it: He took the issue off the agenda.

When he goes to the White House on Monday he will make a new demand: Either you or we (attack Iran ), putting the leader of the free world in a tight spot. Obama does not want to ensnare his country in another war or in an energy crisis, but when Netanyahu hath demanded, who will not fear?

This would appear to be a good thing, a reason to marvel at the prime minister. A cat may look at a king, but it doesn't always end well. One day, perhaps, even in brainwashed America the questions may begin: another war? Is it right to put more American soldiers in harm's way for an interest that is more Israeli than it is American? And perhaps we should also make demands from the small protege?

For now, Obama may be unable to prohibit Israel from a military adventure in Iran without offering serious quid pro quo. After all, we are talking about the prime minister of Israel. But one day the rope could snap and the whole thing could blow up in the face of power-drunk Israel: Israel doesn't know when to stop, and it could pay dearly as a result. Link
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:02 pm

Alice, I thought that article was really disingenuous, superficial or incredibly naive. There was an interview a few weeks ago, (I think in the Jerusalem Post) with Barak - and the one thing he was NOT certain of was pursuing a military action. The one thing that WAS certain from that interview was that Barak was acting from a position of experiencing extreme immanent threat. Despite all the rationalist political discourse, there was an underlying primal terror there. This was not addressed - and the "Gee, Fancy that - look at the the influence lil'ol Israel has. Aint that sumpthin!" just made me LOL.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:07 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Alice, I thought that article was really disingenuous, superficial or incredibly naive. There was an interview a few weeks ago, (I think in the Jerusalem Post) with Barak - and the one thing he was NOT certain of was pursuing a military action. The one thing that WAS certain from that interview was that Barak was acting from a position of experiencing extreme immanent threat. Despite all the rationalist political discourse, there was an underlying primal terror there. This was not addressed - and the "Gee, Fancy that - look at the the influence lil'ol Israel has. Aint that sumpthin!" just made me LOL.


The only extreme imminent threat is the one against Iran, and the aggressors are Israel and its US "ally". Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, probably many more, none of which are monitored by the IAEA. Iran's peaceful, civilian nuclear program is subject to one of the most rigorous IAEA monitoring programs on earth. Israel has a long and bloody history of launching criminal wars of aggression against other countries; Iran has none. Israel and the US have pressured other states into joining their campaign of economic warfare against Iran. Israeli officials have even proposed that the citizens of Iran to be starved into overthrowing their government. Israel has assassinated Iranian scholars and officials, and perpetrated other terrorist attacks against Iranian civilians, inside Iran. Israel and the US have engaged in relentless covert warfare and psychological operations against Iran. Israeli officials have been stridently inciting the US to launch a totally unprovoked, illegal and catastrophic attack against Iran, for years. All this while every overture by Iran and other countries to sit down and resolve this problem through dialogue has been contemptuously and summarily rejected, by Israel and the US.

But Ehud Barak is experiencing "primal terror"? Just what is it you propose that Iran do, to help him feel better?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:35 pm

AIPAC Works for the 1 Percent

Posted on Mar 4, 2012
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By Chris Hedges

Chris Hedges gave this talk Saturday night in Washington, D.C., at the Occupy AIPAC protest, organized by CODEPINK Women for Peace and other peace, faith and solidarity groups.

The battle for justice in the Middle East is our battle. It is part of the vast, global battle against the 1 percent. It is about living rather than dying. It is about communicating rather than killing. It is about love rather than hate. It is part of the great battle against the corporate forces of death that reign over us—the fossil fuel industry, the weapons manufacturers, the security and surveillance state, the speculators on Wall Street, the oligarchic elites who assault our poor, our working men and women, our children, one in four of whom depend on food stamps to eat, the elites who are destroying our ecosystem with its trees, its air and its water and throwing into doubt our survival as a species.

What is being done in Gaza, the world’s largest open-air prison, is a pale reflection of what is slowly happening to the rest of us. It is a window into the rise of the global security state, our new governing system that the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin calls “inverted totalitarianism.” It is a reflection of a world where the powerful are not bound by law, either on Wall Street or in the shattered remains of the countries we invade and occupy, including Iraq with its hundreds of thousands of dead. And one of the greatest purveyors of this demented ideology of violence for the sake of violence, this flagrant disregard for the rule of domestic and international law, is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC.

I spent seven years in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I lived for two of those seven years in Jerusalem. AIPAC does not speak for Jews or for Israel. It is a mouthpiece for right-wing ideologues, some of whom hold power in Israel and some of whom hold power in Washington, who believe that because they have the capacity to war wage they have a right to wage war, whose loyalty, in the end, is not to the citizens of Israel or Palestine or the United States but the corporate elites, the defense contractors, those who make war a business, those who have turned ordinary Palestinians, Israelis and Americans, along with hundreds of millions of the world’s poor, into commodities to exploit, repress and control.

We have not brought freedom, democracy and the virtues of Western civilization to the Muslim world. We have brought state terrorism, massive destruction, war and death. There is no moral distinction between a drone strike and the explosion of the improvised explosive device, between a suicide bombing and a targeted assassination. We have used the iron fist of the American military to implant our oil companies in Iraq, occupy Afghanistan and ensure that the Muslim world remains submissive and compliant. We have supported a government in Israel that has carried out egregious war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza and is daily stealing larger and larger portions of Palestinian land. We have established a network of military bases, some the size of small cities, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait, and we have secured basing rights in the Gulf states of Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates. We have expanded our military operations to Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Egypt, Algeria and Yemen. And no one believes, except perhaps us, that we have any intention of leaving.

And let us not forget that deep inside our secret world of offshore penal colonies, black sites, and torture and interrogation centers, we practice the cruelty and barbarity that always accompanies unchecked imperial power. There were scores of graphic pictures and videos from the prison in Abu Ghraib that were swiftly classified and hidden from public view. And in these videos, as Seymour Hersh reported, mothers who were arrested with their young sons, often children, watched in horror as their boys were repeatedly sodomized. This was filmed. And on the soundtrack you hear the boys shrieking. And the mothers were smuggling notes out to their families saying, “Come and kill us because of what is happening.”
We are the biggest problem in the Middle East. It is we who legitimize the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads, suicide bombers and radical jihadists. The longer we drop iron fragmentation bombs and seize Muslim land, the longer we kill with impunity, the more these monsters, reflections of our own distorted image, will proliferate.

“If you gaze into the abyss,” Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, “the abyss gazes into you.”

I am no friend of the Iranian regime, which helped create and arm Hezbollah, is certainly meddling in Iraq, has persecuted human rights activists, gays, women and religious and ethnic minorities, embraces racism and intolerance, and uses its power to deny popular will. And yes, it is a regime that appears determined to build a nuclear weapon, although I would stress that no one has offered any proof this is occurring. I have spent time in Iranian jails. I was once deported from Tehran in handcuffs. But I do not remember Iran orchestrating a coup in the United States to replace an elected government with a brutal dictator who for decades persecuted, assassinated and imprisoned democracy activists. I do not remember Iran arming and funding a neighboring state to wage war against our country. Iran never shot down one of our passenger jets, as did the USS Vincennes—nicknamed Robocruiser by the crews of other American vessels—when in June 1988 it fired missiles at an Airbus filled with Iranian civilians, killing everyone on board. Iran is not sponsoring terrorist strikes within the United States, as our intelligence services and the Israeli intelligence services currently do in Iran. We have not seen five of our top nuclear scientists since 2007 murdered on American soil. The attacks in Iran include suicide bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, sabotage and “targeted assassinations” of government officials and other Iranian leaders. What would we do if the situation were reversed? How would we react if Iran carried out similar acts of terrorism against us?

We are, and have long been, the primary engine for radicalism in the Middle East. The greatest favor we can do for democracy activists in Iran, as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf and the states that dot North Africa, is to withdraw our troops from the region and begin to speak to Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world in the civilized language of diplomacy, respect and mutual interests. The longer we cling to the doomed doctrine of permanent war the more we give credibility to the extremists who need, indeed yearn for, an enemy that speaks in the same crude slogans of nationalist cant and violence that they do. The louder the Israelis and their idiot allies in Washington call for the bombing of Iran to thwart its nuclear ambitions, the happier are the morally bankrupt clerics who are ordering the beating and murder of demonstrators. We may laugh when crowds supporting [President] Ahmadinejad call us “the Great Satan,” but there is a very palpable reality that informs the terrible algebra of their hatred. And since even the most optimistic scenarios say that any strike on Iranian nuclear installations will at best set back Iran’s alleged weapons program by [only] three or four years, we can be sure that violence will beget violence, just as fanaticism begets fanaticism.

The hypocrisy of this vaunted moral crusade is not lost on those in the Middle East. Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Pakistan, India and Israel did not and developed nuclear weapons programs in secret. Israel now has an estimated 400 to 600 nuclear weapons. The word “Dimona,” the name of the city where the nuclear facilities are located in Israel, is shorthand in the Muslim world for the deadly Israeli threat to Muslims’ existence.

What lessons did the Iranians learn from our Israeli, Pakistani and Indian allies?

Given that we are actively engaged in an effort to destabilize the Iranian regime, given that we use apocalyptic rhetoric to describe what must be done to the Iranian regime, and given that Israel could obliterate Iran many times over, what do we expect from the Iranians? On top of this, the Iranian regime grasps that the doctrine of permanent war entails making “pre-emptive” and unprovoked strikes. And they know that if Iraq, like North Korea, had had a bomb they would have never suffered American invasion and occupation.

Those in Washington who advocate attacking Iran, knowing as little about the limitations and chaos of war as they do about the Middle East, believe they can cripple nuclear production and neutralize the 850,000-man Iranian army. They should look closely at the 2006 Israeli air campaign in southern Lebanon, which saw Hezbollah victorious and united most Lebanese behind the militant Islamic group. If the massive Israeli bombing of Lebanon failed to pacify 4 million Lebanese, how can we expect to pacify a country of 70 million people? But reality never seems to impinge on the neoconservative universe or the efficacy of its doctrine of permanent war.
I have watched over the years as these neoconservatives have meddled disastrously in the Middle East. The support by neoconservatives of the Israeli right wing—and I covered Yitzhak Rabin’s 1992 campaign for prime minister when prominent AIPAC donors poured money and resources into Likud to defeat Rabin—is not about Israel. It is about advancing this perverted ideology. Rabin detested these neoconservatives. When he made his first visit to Washington after being elected prime minister he dismissed requests from the lobby for a meeting by telling aides: “I don’t speak to scumbags.”

These neoconservatives, who like our own neoconservatives hide behind the rhetoric of patriotism, national security and religious piety, are not wedded to any discernable doctrine other than force. They, like all rabid nationalists, are stunted and deformed individuals, only able to communicate in the language of self-exaltation and violence.

“The nationalist is by definition an ignoramus,” the Yugoslav writer Danilo Kiš wrote. “Nationalism is the line of least resistance, the easy way. The nationalist is untroubled, he knows or thinks he knows what his values are, his, that’s to say national, that’s to say the values of the nation he belongs to, ethical and political; he is not interested in others, they are no concern of his, hell—it’s other people (other nations, another tribe). They don’t even need investigating. The nationalist sees other people in his own images—as nationalists.”

AIPAC does not drive Middle Eastern policy in the United States. I am afraid it is worse than that. AIPAC is one of an array of powerful and well-funded neoconservative institutions that worship force and drive our relations with the rest of the world. These neoconservatives choose an enemy and then our compliant class of journalists, specialists, military analysts, columnists and television commentators line up to serve as giddy cheerleaders for war. Moments like these always make me embarrassed to be a reporter. Our political elite, Republican and Democrat, finds in this ideology a simple, childish allure. This ideology does not require cultural, historical or linguistic literacy. It reduces the world to black and white, good and evil. The drumbeat for war with Iran sounded by AIPAC is part of this broad, sick, binary vision of a world that can be subjugated by force, a world where all will be made to kneel before these corporate and neoconservative elites, where none, including finally us, will be permitted to whisper dissent.

Pre-emptive war, under post-Nuremberg law, is defined as a criminal act of aggression. George W. Bush, whose disregard for the rule of law was legend, went to the U.N. for a resolution to attack Iraq, although his interpretation of the U.N. resolution as justifying the invasion of Iraq had dubious legal merit. But in this current debate over war with Iran, that pretense of legality is ignored. Where is Israel’s U.N. resolution authorizing it to strike Iran? Why isn’t anyone demanding that Israel seek one? Why does the only discussion in the media and among political elites center around the questions of “Will Israel attack Iran?” “Can it successfully carry out an attack?” “What will happen if there is an attack?” The essential question is left unasked. Does Israel have the right to attack Iran? And here the answer is very, very clear. It does not.

These neoconservatives were too blind and too enamored of their own power to see what invading Afghanistan and Iraq would trigger; so too are they unable to comprehend the regional conflagration that would be unleashed by attacking Iran, what it would mean for us, for Israel, for our allies and for tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of innocents.

“Where there is no vision, the people perish,” the Bible warns.

And since our elites have no vision it is up to us. The uprisings from Tunisia to Egypt to Greece to Occupy Wall Street to our gathering outside AIPAC’s doors in Washington are the same primal struggle for sanity, peace and justice, for a world wrenched free from the grip of those who would destroy it. And the abject fawning of our political elite, including Barack Obama, before AIPAC and its bank account is yet another window into the moral bankruptcy of our political class, another sign that the formal mechanisms of power are useless and broken. Civil disobedience is all we have left. It is our patriotic duty. We are called to make the cries of mothers, fathers and children in the squalid refugee camps in Gaza, in the suburbs of Tehran and in the bleak industrial wastelands in Ohio heard. We are called to stand up before these forces of death, the purveyors of violence, those whose hearts have grown cold with hatred. We are called to embrace and defend life with intensity and passion if we are to survive as a species, if we are to save our planet from the ravages of corporate greed and the specter of endless and futile war.

The Israeli poet Aharon Shabtai, in his poem “Rypin,” translated by Peter Cole, examined what power, force and self-worship do to compassion, justice and human decency. Rypin was the Polish town his father escaped from during the pogroms.
These creatures in helmets and khakis,
I say to myself, aren’t Jews,
In the truest sense of the word. A Jew
Doesn’t dress himself up with weapons like jewelry,
Doesn’t believe in the barrel of a gun aimed at a target,
But in the thumb of the child who was shot at—
In the house through which he comes and goes,
Not in the charge that blows it apart.
The coarse soul and iron first
He scorns by nature.
He lifts his eyes not to the officer, or the soldier
With his finger on the trigger—but to justice,
And he cries out for compassion.
Therefore, he won’t steal land from its people
And will not starve them in camps.
The voice calling for expulsion
Is heard from the hoarse throat of the oppressor—
A sure sign that the Jew has entered a foreign country
And, like Umberto Saba, gone into hiding within his own city.
Because of voices like these, father
At age sixteen, with your family, you fled Rypin;
Now here Rypin is your son.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:43 pm

Banned! AIPAC Bars AlterNet From Covering Its Big Conference
I'm just a campaign-trail reporter trying to cover a big event in the U.S. presidential campaign at which four candidates will speak. But I'm banned without explanation.
March 4, 2012
On Super Tuesday, the three top contenders for the Republican presidential nomination will not spend the morning campaigning for votes in the 10 states holding primaries and caucuses that day. Instead, they will address a conference of some 13,000 Israel-boosters at the Washington Convention Center in the nation's capital. Supporters of Israeli's hawkish foreign policy and its occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza strip will likely find much to admire in an address to be delivered by Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, who has been banging the war drums for a strike on Iran. U.S. President Barack Obama is scheduled to address the conference on Sunday morning.

But even though this event will take place in Washington, DC, where I am based, and even though I cover the presidential election for AlterNet, I will not be there. And neither will our world affairs editor, Alex Kane. Why? Because the sponsoring organization, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, denied AlterNet the press credentials we would need to cover the event.

AIPAC is within its rights to ban AlterNet from covering its policy conference. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of association. But what has me flummoxed is the fact that AIPAC press representatives decline to give us a reason. So far, the only correspondence I have received from an AIPAC representative is the following terse e-mail from Sarah Coppersmith of the Scott Circle Public Relations Group, which is handling the credentialing process for AIPAC:
Thank you for your interest in attending this year’s AIPAC Policy Conference as a member of the press. However, press credentials for the conference will not be issued to you. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused.
I wrote back to Coppersmith, asking for the criteria used to determine who got credentials, but received no reply. In the same e-mail, I asked to know how many other journalists were refused credentials. Calls to AIPAC's own media liaison, Adam Harris, have gone unreturned.

This much we do know: that in addition to AlterNet, Philip Weiss of Mondoweiss, and Mitchell Plitnick, who has a blog called The Third Way: Finding Balance in Middle East Analysis, were also denied credentials. Both have been critical of Israeli policy in one form or another, as has Alex Kane. Plitinick was assigned to cover the AIPAC conference for Inter Press Service, and was initially granted credentials, which were later revoked. The rest of us were rejected outright.

On the surface, this looks simply like AIPAC refusing to credential a bunch of writers whose views run counter to its own. But here's the flaw in that reasoning: I have never written anything particularly critical of Israel. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever written anything about Israel, period. I'm just a campaign-trail reporter trying to cover a pretty big event in the U.S. presidential campaign -- an event called Super Tuesday.

Here's the thing that really gets me: much of my reporting focuses on the right wing of U.S. politics. I cover all manner of right-wing conferences, including the Family Research Council's annual Values Voter Summit, the American Conservative Union's annual Conservative Political Action Committee, and of course, various events sponsored by the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which is chaired by David Koch, of whom I've written quite critically. The communications folks at these organizations all know who I am and know they can expect coverage from me that will not present their organization quite the way they would like it to be viewed by the general public. And yet, they grant me credentials. Back in the day, even the Christian Coalition gave me press credentials.

In fact, I would go so far to say that these rejections aren't specifically about any of the journalists who were rejected, but are about a battle being waged by Josh Block, a former AIPAC staffer, against several bloggers at Middle East Progress, part of the ThinkProgress blog of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, as well as bloggers at Media Matters. It may entail a bit of misplaced retribution for the dumping of Block as a member of the Truman Security Forum, a liberalish national security group, after Block initiated a smear campaign against ThinkProgress and Media Matters bloggers. (After all, we lefties all look alike, non?) My colleague, Joshua Holland, wrote a detailed story for AlterNet about the whole contretemps in December, a must-read if you care to understand why AlterNet has been banned from this week's big AIPAC confab.

Basically, the bloggers Block targeted have expressed particular concern over the tilt toward war with Iran that is driving Israeli foreign policy under the Netanyahu administration. Because both the Center for American Progress and Media Matters are seen as being closely allied with the Democratic Party, they are viewed by more hawkish parties as a threat to the "Israel, right or wrong" position that has long dominated not just Republican, but also Democratic thinking for decades.

Among the bloggers Block smeared as anti-Semites is ThinkProgress' Ali Gharib, a personal friend of both Holland's and mine. Gharib also happens to write for Inter Press, and has written in the past for AlterNet and Mondoweiss -- the three sites whose writers have been banned from this year's AIPAC conference. (AIPAC, however, did make allowances for IPS Washington Bureau Chief Jim Lobe, who was granted credentials.)

It pains me to engage in such speculation, but with AIPAC stonewalling me, I have been left to my own devices. I could be totally off-base here, but how am I to know? Perhaps the issue is simply the range of AIPAC-critical pieces run on AlterNet, starting with Holland's work, and include articles by Max Blumenthal and opinion pieces by Code Pink's Medea Benjamin.

As for me, I'm going to be just fine. Since being banned by AIPAC, I've picked up a rack of new Twitter followers and gained new exposure in the Israeli and American Jewish press, where my work was never visible before. The real casualty here is to AIPAC's reputation. The organization insists it is bipartisan, and has gone to some lengths to include liberals such as Donna Brazile and Paul Begala on the roster of speakers for its policy conference. But when its leaders choose to freeze out a highly selective and tiny group of progressive writers because they have a colleague in common whose views contradict AIPAC's, well, big, bad AIPAC just looks petty and small.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:53 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:The only extreme imminent threat is the one against Iran, and the aggressors are Israel and its US "ally". Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, probably many more, none of which are monitored by the IAEA. Iran's peaceful, civilian nuclear program is subject to one of the most rigorous IAEA monitoring programs on earth. Israel has a long and bloody history of launching criminal wars of aggression against other countries; Iran has none. Israel and the US have pressured other states into joining their campaign of economic warfare against Iran. Israeli officials have even proposed that the citizens of Iran to be starved into overthrowing their government. Israel has assassinated Iranian scholars and officials, and perpetrated other terrorist attacks against Iranian civilians, inside Iran. Israel and the US have engaged in relentless covert warfare and psychological operations against Iran. Israeli officials have been stridently inciting the US to launch a totally unprovoked, illegal and catastrophic attack against Iran, for years. All this while every overture by Iran and other countries to sit down and resolve this problem through dialogue has been contemptuously and summarily rejected, by Israel and the US.


Yes.

Yup.

Bravo.

For "ally," some might say something like "puppet," although I would say "sponsor" or "enabler." Also, I'd gag at the words "peaceful, civilian nuclear program" in any context, and would caveat them with the idea that while the peaceful use of nuclear power for civilian energy uses is the only known intent of the Iranian program, the entire idea of "peaceful use of nuclear power for civilian energy" is dubious anywhere on the planet, given: the enormous risks of nuclear power; its guaranteed production of permanent super-toxic waste; and its inherent reinforcement of the authoritarian, centralized state.

Also, in telling the same facts as you have listed to anyone, I try always to recall that in 2007 the US government announced it was assigning $400 million to the project of destabilizing Iran by covert action, which constitutes an overt declaration of war. Also, all the celebration in neocon and imperialist corners last year over Stuxnet as an assumed US or Israeli project.

And then there is the incalculable opportunity cost of focusing the whole world, day-in, day-out, on the trivial matter of an Iranian nuclear program. Even if the program was intended to make a bomb, it wouldn't even be the worst or nineteenth worst thing one could say about Iran, let alone the other 200 nation-states of the world; and on a list of the 50 most important issues the world needs to confront, it would be number 981 at best. (Let me know if I'm overstraining the coinages here.)

But yes. Absolutely.

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:01 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Alice, I thought that article was really disingenuous, superficial or incredibly naive. There was an interview a few weeks ago, (I think in the Jerusalem Post) with Barak - and the one thing he was NOT certain of was pursuing a military action. The one thing that WAS certain from that interview was that Barak was acting from a position of experiencing extreme immanent threat. Despite all the rationalist political discourse, there was an underlying primal terror there. This was not addressed - and the "Gee, Fancy that - look at the the influence lil'ol Israel has. Aint that sumpthin!" just made me LOL.


The only extreme imminent threat is the one against Iran, and the aggressors are Israel and its US "ally". Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, probably many more, none of which are monitored by the IAEA. Iran's peaceful, civilian nuclear program is subject to one of the most rigorous IAEA monitoring programs on earth. Israel has a long and bloody history of launching criminal wars of aggression against other countries; Iran has none. Israel and the US have pressured other states into joining their campaign of economic warfare against Iran. Israeli officials have even proposed that the citizens of Iran to be starved into overthrowing their government. Israel has assassinated Iranian scholars and officials, and perpetrated other terrorist attacks against Iranian civilians, inside Iran. Israel and the US have engaged in relentless covert warfare and psychological operations against Iran. Israeli officials have been stridently inciting the US to launch a totally unprovoked, illegal and catastrophic attack against Iran, for years. All this while every overture by Iran and other countries to sit down and resolve this problem through dialogue has been contemptuously and summarily rejected, by Israel and the US.

But Ehud Barak is experiencing "primal terror"? Just what is it you propose that Iran do, to help him feel better?




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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:29 pm

If I had a gun, I'd shoot him.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby RobinDaHood » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:26 pm

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Gingrich Falls Asleep And Creates The Most Awkward Moment At The Big Conference About Israel
Oh man... this is just cringeworthy.

Just before Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich was set to make an appearance at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference via video-stream, ABC News caught the former Speaker of the House taking a quick nap.

Perhaps worn out by campaigning or just psyching himself up for his big speech, Gingrich is seen closing his eyes for a good minute.

That's not the bad part, though, and it's actually weirdly calming.

But then things go bad. After being introduced before AIPAC, Gingrich tells the audience: “I understand you have a panel. I look forward to any questions.”

Only thing is, there was no panel. Oops.

Twelve excruciating seconds later, the moderate gently reminds the speaker that there is no panel, to which Gingrich improvises: “Let me just say – I say this pretty briefly, I think. We need a fundamental reassessment of our entire understanding of the threat of radical Islam.”

Nice save... Sort of.

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:48 pm

Uh-oh.

"The Jewish community will remember in November." :shock2:

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 02, 2012 10:54 am

May 01, 2012
Not Disappointed
Horowitz, the New York Times and the Pitiable State of Israel’s Friends
by MICHAEL NEUMANN

A few days ago, the New York Times ran the following ad in its print edition:
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After the usual thrill of seeing my name in print, my reaction was concern. This is the 21st century. These advertisers are either in their dotage, or running out of money. The whole production reeks of cheap. Terrible graphics, terrible fonts, terrible choice of medium; it seems to come with built-in smudge. The verdict may be harsh, but it’s quite sincere.

Ten years ago, this sort of thing might have been cause for alarm; now it reveals the pitiable state of Israel’s friends. As for the text, the hysteria is palpable. The tiny number of people who will take this seriously need help.

But what about the New York Times, which ran the ad? I sent them this:

To Whom It May Concern:

On or about April 23rd, you ran an ad on your op-ed page, A21. (I cannot give the date because I have seen only a scan of the ad, not its place in the paper.) The ad referred to ‘…Michael Neumann, of Trent University who has said that the “core” of Israel’s ideology is Nazism.’

It’s not just that I never said any such thing. (One online extract from my book was called “The Core of Zionism”, and can be found at http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/01/26/ ... f-zionism/. It never so much as mentions the Nazis.) It is also that I have repeatedly and explicitly distanced myself from any such comparisons.

Two examples:

“I intend to trace the ravages of ethnic nationalism, not by any means to make Zionists into Nazis. It is entirely unnecessary to take this false step, which would obscure rather than clarify the repellent aspects of Zionism.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/10/14/fearsome-words/

“In what follows I will from time to time compare the position of Jews to the position of Germans in the Nazi era and afterwards.

This is in no way an attempt to say that the Israelis either are Nazis, or are as bad as the Nazis. I have never at any time made such claims, and never will.” http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JustPeaceUK/message/6960

So the statement in the ad is not only false; it contradicts my own publicly available pronouncements.

The Times is responsible for propagating this defamatory statement about me. It should acknowledge this state of affairs.

Michael Neumann

I was not disappointed to receive no response of any kind, and no doubt you would have thought me naïve to expect anything else. The only disappointing aspect of this is that we no longer expect the Times to give a shit about the truth.

Michael Neumann is a professor of philosophy at Trent University in Ontario, Canada. Professor Neumann’s views are not to be taken as those of his university. His book What’s Left: Radical Politics and the Radical Psyche is published by Broadview Press. He contributed the essay, “What is Anti-Semitism”, to CounterPunch’s book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism. His latest book is The Case Against Israel. He can be reached at: mneumann@trentu.ca




Slandering Critics of Israel
April 30, 2012

Even as some ex-officials in Israel question the “messianic” behavior of Prime Minister Netanyahu, his hard-line American supporters are escalating a propaganda war against U.S. academics who challenge Israel’s abuse of Palestinians. One ugly smear appeared on the New York Times’ editorial page, writes Lawrence Davidson.

By Lawrence Davidson

On April 24, the New York Times rented out part of its editorial page to the propaganda of right- wing Zionist David Horowitz, thereby taking the “newspaper of record” down into the gutter for the price of a quarter-page advertisement. The ad, which purported to be “a public service” by the David Horowitz Freedom Center, told the following libelous story:

“The Holocaust began with boycotts of Jewish stores and ended with death camps. The calls for a new Holocaust can be heard throughout the Middle East and Europe as well. In the wake of the murders of a rabbi and three children in Toulouse, it is time for the supporters of the Boycott, Divest and Sanction Israel movement (BDS) to ask themselves what they did to contribute to the atmosphere of hate that spawned these and other murders of Jews.”

Photo of Nazi stormtrooper used in New York Times ad attacking critics of Israel.

What is wrong with this story?

1. The analogy of BDS with Nazi-led “boycotts of Jewish stores” is (no doubt purposely) misleading. The Boycott movement is directed against Israel as a racist state and the economic and social agents (Jewish and non-Jewish) who support it. The notion that the BDS boycotts lead to death camps is fantasy. Whatever the crazy logic of the Nazis on the one hand and David Horowitz on the other, the BDS movement is an effort to prevent persecution of innocent people and not to promote it.

2. The notion that the BDS movement either “calls for a new Holocaust” or is associated with those supposedly doing so is nonsense. In reality, it is the right-wing Israeli fanatics who are calling for, and actually carrying out, their own small-scale version of a holocaust against the Palestinians, who have been forced into ghettos and Bantustans and who suffer homelessness, cultural genocide and periodic pogroms.

Indeed, the same week Mr. Horowitz placed his ad, Israel launched 57 military raids into Palestinian territory resulting in multiple injuries and death, destroyed at least 13 Palestinian shelters while beginning construction on 20 illegal settler houses. Yet the perpetrators of these crimes persist in portraying themselves as victims because once, under completely different historical circumstances, their ancestors were victims. But that was in the past. In the present the Zionists are the culprits and BDS movement seeks to bring out this tragic and ironic fact.

3. It is a gross misrepresentation to accuse those supporting BDS of contributing to “the atmosphere of hate that spawned … murder of Jews.” The BDS campaign has nothing to do with this atmosphere, but the actions of the Israeli leadership has everything to do with it. With the Zionist persecution of the Palestinians ongoing, one does not need a boycott movement to explain the upswing of anger.

Some may unfortunately fail to make the proper distinction between political Zionists and Jews in general, just like Horowitz and his ilk fail to make the distinction between terrorists and Palestinians in general. Yet, if the Israeli leaders and their supporters want to know where this anger is coming from, they need look no further than their own behavior.

However, they refuse to look. Instead they attempt to confuse matters and shift the blame from fanatic Zionist settlers and racist Israeli politicians onto those who would publicly expose the viciousness of Israeli policies. That is one of the aims of the Horowitz ad in the New York Times and it pursues it in very specific ad hominem fashion, singling out 14 academics by name.

When in November 1938 the Nazis launched the pogroms which became known as Kristallnacht, they painted Jewish stars on the sites to be attacked. In a similar way, Horowitz seeks to identify and label those he wishes to be “publicly shamed and condemned.” What does that mean? Should they lose their jobs just like the Jews who were forced out of their occupations by the Nazis? Should they be segregated out and impoverished like Palestinians? Perhaps Mr. Horowitz would applaud physical attacks? Just how Nazi-like does he wish the situation to get?

William Thomson of the University of Michigan, one of 14 academics slandered by the Horowitz advertisement, notes that “groups and individuals will resort to unfounded character assassination and ad hominem attacks when reasoned discussion is beyond their abilities.” However, the country’s major national newspaper is not supposed to be an accomplice in such attacks. Yet, that is the case.

Ali Abunimah has pointed out that the New York Times has “advertising acceptability guidelines” which require advertisements to “comply with its (the NYT’s) standards of decency and dignity” and not be “misleading, inaccurate or fraudulent.” Horowitz’s offering is blatantly all of this.

Yet there it was, in the April 24 edition of the “paper of record.” Horowitz’s propaganda was placed on the editorial page and not identified as an ad. What are we to make of this? It seems clear that the editors actually believe that the piece meets their standards of acceptability. But is the Times also telling us that this libel is an acceptable editorial? The entire affair calls into question (not for the first time) the judgment of the people who run this famous newspaper.

David Horowitz probably wrote this propaganda piece not only to shift blame but also to scare people – to frighten those named and scare off others from getting involved in the BDS movement. Yet he may well have overstepped and made himself the subject of critical attention rather than those he rails against.

That is what happens when your message reflects a viewpoint that is ideologically driven and fanatical. Cast this viewpoint in a more normal light and it looks weird and distorted.

The 19th century British essayist William Hazlitt once remarked that prejudice can only be convincing when it can pass itself off as reason. This is Horowitz’s rather gross effort to do just that. But identifying those opposed to Israeli behavior with Nazis is wildly unreasonable. Hopefully, at this stage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, most Americans recognize this to be so.
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