Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmon

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I also understand that the mods have lives of their own and may only have limited time and energy for such a discussion...


It isnt just the mods who have lives of their own and limited time; I had to use 41 (I counted) 'Page Down' keystrokes to navigate your last post on my P.C.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue May 01, 2012 7:27 pm

Yeah, I can't believe it's been allowed to go on this long.
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Postby eyeno » Tue May 01, 2012 7:33 pm

"Real Jews" are a beautiful thing. Real Jews around the world are waking up. Real Jews are beginning to recognize that the things spoken in their name are inherently dangerous to the entire Jewish culture. Real Jews realize that their entire culture and way of life is being sold, traded, and pissed away by .000000000001 percent of the population. In the end it might the Real Jewish Community that saves us all from the Pseudo Jews, as in those that claim to be Jews but are not.

My great great grandmother was Jewish. That makes me Jewish by Jewish standards.

The unadulterated Jewish religion that goes back thousands of years. It got corrupted. Some Jewish sects still stubbornly cling to a philosophy that all two legged mammals were created equal AND THAT is the true Jewish religion. I have said this once and i'll say it again..."scary close to Christianity isn't it?"

There is a belief in this world that all two legged mammals are created equal.

There is a belief that all two legged mammals are not equal. <<<This one is causing the entire world a ton of grief. This one is poisoning the planet's water, food, philosophy, future, and everything else you can think of.

Some of us want to sit in a circle, with one person from every place on this planet, and learn and appreciate everything every other person can bring to the circle for us to learn and appreciate.

Some people want to sit in a circle with ONLY their own tribe and make plans to destroy every 'OTHER" person on the planet.

Those of us that want to engage everybody equally and with love have no organized plan to to achieve our goals.

Those that want to exterminate everybody outside of their circle have incredibly organized plans to exterminate everybody outside of their circle.

Ask yourself this question ok?

Which circle do you want to participate in, and why?
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Postby solace » Tue May 01, 2012 7:47 pm

eyeno wrote:"Real Jews"


ffs..... :wallhead:
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Postby Sounder » Tue May 01, 2012 7:50 pm

Spot on post jam-fuse, people need to be shook up a bit. People with as thin a skin as AD seems to have, would be useless for any real struggle.

I am all for a light mod touch, but this is pushing it.

Although I also kinda like that AD shows us the essential vacuity of this exclusionist approach to community relations by repetitively cut-n-pasting material from some obsessive troll.

It makes my side of the argument look better. Good job AD.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby eyeno » Tue May 01, 2012 7:51 pm

solace wrote:
eyeno wrote:"Real Jews"


ffs..... :wallhead:



It is my understanding that the Jewish religion did not start at its inception with "others." At the present time the dominant mouthpiece for Jewish peoples organizes itself around an "other."

If you can prove to me that it did begin with an "other" then I stand corrected and will be disappointed.

The Jewish religion has many isms within it so its complicated. But, if you can prove to me that it started with "others" at its root then I will accept that and be disappointed with the results you provide.
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 01, 2012 9:05 pm

jam.fuse wrote:
Chris Rock said in 1996:


When Chris Rock disavows his negroness (presumably by bleaching his skin and honking like a cracker), and then proceeds to issue entirely serious statements on the order of...

    ... I have hardly seen any negroes attempt to understand the circumstances that led to the clear resentment of European Americans towards their African neighbors in the 17- and 1800s.



    ‘The negroes are the ultimate chameleons, they can be whatever they like as long as it serves as some expedient. As soon as you criticise their militant national beliefs (black power) you hurt them as a race (African Americans),… When you condemn their racist tendencies, they are transformed immediately into an innocent cultural identity. Life is never boring for black people. It’s one never ending (negro) conspiracy.



    'I am not a slavery scholar nor am I a historian. My primary interest is not the story of the plantation nor the destruction of African negroes…. I do not wish to enter the debate regarding the truth of the slave trade….



    'Most of the scholars are themselves orthodox observants. Though they may be critical of different aspects of the exploitation of the slave trade narrative, they all accept the validity of the negro enslavement and its mainstream interpretations and implications. Most of the scholars, if not all of them, do not challenge the negro narrative, namely negro "slavery", yet, more than a few are critical of the way black and African Americans employ the "slave histories"…. no one goes as far as revisionism, not a single American slavery scholar dares engage in a dialogue with the so-called 'deniers' to discuss their vision of the events or any other revisionist scholarship’.



    ‘If, for instance, the slaveowners wanted the negroes out of their institutions (segregation - free of negros), or even dead, as the Nigger narrative insists, how come the negoes fought for the Confederacy at the end of the war?’ ‘If the slaveowners ran slave plantations in Georgia, why would the nego slaves join them at the end of the war? ‘We should ask for some conclusive historical evidence and arguments rather than follow a religious narrative...’



    ‘Why were the Niggers hated? Why did European people stand up against their next-door neighbours? Why are the Niggers hated in the white deep south?’



    'I am suggesting that the only way to internalise the meaning of negro slavery is to teach Niggers how to start looking in the mirror, to teach Niggers to ask themselves why conflicts with others happen to them time after time. Rather than blaming the whites, it is about time the Negro subject learns to ask the 6 million $ question: “why do they pick on me?”

...then maybe the analogy will begin to hold some water.

I have no doubt there are some people who would hold such ideas to be completely reasonable.
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 01, 2012 9:30 pm

Sounder wrote: It now seems to me that Alice was talking about AD...


No. She wasn't. Nope.

It's elementary, my dear Sounder.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby compared2what? » Tue May 01, 2012 11:18 pm

Searcher08 wrote: But you know what - this thing that says "we cant look at culture X and say it is Y"

WHO THE FUCK SAYS SO?


Nobody, afaik. I mean, in reality, here, on this thread. It's certainly not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is:

Gilad Atzmon is not talking about a real culture. Rather, he is purveying the exact same bearded old myth that's been successfully keeping people from seeing the world they live in clearly enough and with fresh enough eyes to make it into what they want it to be for pretty much the entirety of the modern era so far.

I really said what it was important to me to say way back when, in my first several posts about The Protocols. Atzmon is selling a bill of goods that is, was, always has been and always will be propaganda. It is, was, always has been and always will be beneficial exclusively to a few war-mongering totalitarian psychopathic powers -- such as, atm, Israel -- and nobody else. It doesn't wish you well. Buying into it is a mistake. Don't waste your passion and energy on it. You're too good for that.

^^^

That's what I'm saying. But OBVIOUSLY others are free to say what they think of it. And of me. Then everyone who feels like it can chime in. And I can respond, if I want to. Or not, if I don't want to. And so on. And so forth.

I mean, this is a discussion board. Speak out.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby compared2what? » Tue May 01, 2012 11:48 pm

eyeno wrote:"Real Jews" are a beautiful thing. Real Jews around the world are waking up. Real Jews are beginning to recognize that the things spoken in their name are inherently dangerous to the entire Jewish culture. Real Jews realize that their entire culture and way of life is being sold, traded, and pissed away by .000000000001 percent of the population. In the end it might the Real Jewish Community that saves us all from the Pseudo Jews, as in those that claim to be Jews but are not.


You may be right. I guess that I hope that you are. I myself wouldn't know.

But I do know that in the present, Judaism isn't any more formally monolithic than Christianity is. It includes many different -- and sometimes conflicting -- formal schools of practice and belief. There are also a number of different Jewish cultures, just as there are a number of different Christian cultures, Islamic cultures, and Hindi cultures. And, naturally, each of those discrete belief-and-culture sharing Jewish groups is comprised of a diverse array of individual Jews of widely variable moral worth and personal inclination.

Because, you know. Although Gilad Atzmon appears somehow to have lived among them without noticing it, Jews are people. Sometimes that's a beautiful thing. And sometimes it's horrible. That's just the way of the world. There are no exceptions. War-mongers just prefer for you to think that there are, that's all.

eyeno wrote:My great great grandmother was Jewish.


I'm pretty sure that at least one of mine was, too!

I don't really know anything about them, though. I sometimes think that one of them must have been a Turk. Based on the appearance of her descendants.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed May 02, 2012 9:05 am

compared2what? wrote:Gilad Atzmon is not talking about a real culture. Rather, he is purveying the exact same bearded old myth that's been successfully keeping people from seeing the world they live in clearly enough and with fresh enough eyes to make it into what they want it to be for pretty much the entirety of the modern era so far.


On the contrary, it is Gilad Atzmon who is exposing the toxic ideology of secular, modern "Jewish identity", which equates between "Jewishness" and "victimhood" regardless of objective reality, which does not protect actual victims, but in fact surrounds racist oppressors and war criminals with a halo of sanctity. It is Atzmon who makes sense of such otherwise inexplicable phenomena such as Netanyahu's cloaking himself in the Holocaust, while also using 'Jewish' code words to advocate genocide and catastrophic war, and heading a state that is systematically robbing and terrorizing the indigenous Palestinians in order to replace them with racist Jewish colonies.

It is Gilad Atzmon's analysis that clarifies why Simon Wiesenthal's organization, which bills itself as "an international Jewish human rights organization dedicated to repairing the world one step at a time" actively promotes the most vile racist agitation against Muslims in the US, and is bulldozing an ancient and archeologically priceless Muslim cemetery dating back over a thousand years in Jerusalem, in order to build a "Museum of Tolerance" on the site.

It is Gilad Atzmon, who can explain why acting in solidarity with the victims of racist oppression is equated with "antisemitism" by those who support the "Jewish state", and insist that all Jews must do so, based on their "Jewish identity", or be labeled "self-hating Jews".

It is Atzmon, who provides a rational framework for understanding your bizarre claim that in places like California, Jewish Americans are victims of institutionalized prejudice, while you blithely and callously dismiss all the evidence that Muslims are, and your constant denials that leading Jewish authorities are active in a massive racist campaign against Muslims.

It is Atzmon who can make sense of why that great humanist, Elie Wiesel, refuses to even acknowledge the massacre his terrorist group committed in the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, on the principle that he "will not say bad things about Jews", notwithstanding that this "messenger to mankind" at his 1986 Nobel Prize Acceptance Speech, Wiesel "swore never to be silent when human beings endure suffering and humiliation". What, exactly, is this "messenger's" message to mankind? What accounts for Wiesel's halo of sainthood, despite his callous, racist hypocrisy? According to Gilad Atzmon's analysis of "Jewish ideology" there is no contradiction, and this is why people like Wiesel continue to be widely acclaimed as moral beacons for the rest of us.

compared2what? wrote:Atzmon is selling a bill of goods that is, was, always has been and always will be propaganda. It is, was, always has been and always will be beneficial exclusively to a few war-mongering totalitarian psychopathic powers -- such as, atm, Israel -- and nobody else. It doesn't wish you well. Buying into it is a mistake. Don't waste your passion and energy on it. You're too good for that.


You have a strange definition of 'propaganda': Atzmon, unlike you, does not insist, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that "Jewishness" has nothing to do with the "Jewish state" nor the "Jewish solidarity" upon which it depends. Only a few days after Israel had rained down burning phosphorous and missiles on the dispossessed, trapped and already starving refugee population in Gaza concentration camp, burning alive hundreds of helpless human beings, even small babies, this took place in Seattle, America:

They waved Israeli flags and sang the country's national anthem, as well as "Am Yisroel Chai" -- or the People of Israel live.

A week after more than 500 pro-Palestinian supporters marched in Seattle to oppose Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, a group three times that size met Sunday at Temple De Hirsch Sinai on Capitol Hill and called for Jewish solidarity.

At the rally, the largely Jewish audience denounced Hamas, the ruling party in Gaza, for launching thousands of rocket strikes on Israel in recent years, and said countries have the right to defend themselves.

"Let me be clear: Israel isn't fighting the Palestinian people. ... Our enemy is Hamas," said Ismail Khaldi, deputy consul general at the Israeli Consulate in San Francisco.

The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle was the lead organizer of the rally, which received support from about 30 other groups.

Richard Fruchter, federation president, reminded the audience of "brutal terrorist" attacks on Jews in recent years, including ones in Mumbai, Buenos Aires and the 2007 deadly shooting in Seattle at the organization's downtown office.

"We must stand together in support of Jews anywhere in the world ... and especially here, today, in solidarity with Israel, our homeland," he said. Link


Is it you, or Gilad Atzmon whose explanation accurately reflects what these people mean by "Jewish solidarity"? Is it you, or Gilad Atzmon who demystifies the belief in a transcendent "Jewish victimhood" and how it is used to justify even the worst war crimes and crimes against humanity? If the apartheid, terrorist state of Israel has nothing to do with "Jewishness", then how do you explain the fact that so many American Jews proclaim it to be their 'homeland'? Why do they donate billions of dollars to Israel, and how come such donations to a state where Jewish citizens enjoy a high standard of living are tax deductible under US law, even when they go to the Israeli army, which enforces a racist, illegal occupation, or even armed, racist settlers on Palestinian land?

These ‘sponsorships’ are considered as donations under American law and as such, are tax deductible - even if the money is used to buy rifle shoulder rests, a telescopic lens or infra-red binoculars. This is the case of the Nablus-area settlement of Elon Moreh and its nonprofit organization Friends of Elon Moreh, based in Passaic Park, New Jersey. According to its webpage: “Aside from the basic army equipment, the team needs special equipment which can help them in emergency situations”. The team, as a picture shows, is composed of 20 young adults, all religious, dressed in military-green and blue, armed with M-16, radios and armored vests.

This experience was considered so successful by the settlers and their American donors that they decided to export it to the forests of upstate New York. Kitat Konenut is devoted to prepare Jewish communities in the US for an eventual “anti-Semitic outbreak”. As the Jerusalem Post published three years ago, the organization charges $400 for a ten day training in the Catskills woodlands, on the property of a Jewish supporter. Some of the instructors are Israeli military veterans, who teach the young Americans to be ready for all kinds of threats, from a knife fight to “urban warfare”.

There is no other documented case in the United States of a foreign civilian armed force being equipped and trained publicly by American society through “donations”, which on top of everything benefit from tax deductions. And it is even rarer that in this age of the War on Terror and home-grown terrorism, the American authorities allow their citizens to openly train in urban warfare tactics. Yet additional proof of the special American-Israeli relationship. Link


Published 02:33 25.03.12
Latest update 02:33 25.03.12

U.S. Jews' donations to Israel double in past 20 years, study shows
Study, due to be completed in April, disproves widely held view that philanthropic donations from the United States have dropped over economic, political reasons.
By Revital Blumenfeld Tags: Jewish World Jewish Diaspora


Donations by U.S. Jews to Israeli nonprofits have doubled during the past 12 years, according to a first-of-its-kind study conducted by professors at Brandeis University.

The study, scheduled to be completed in late April, disproves the widely held view by many Israelis that philanthropic donations from the United States have dropped over time due to economic and political reasons. In fact, the study - previewed last week during a hearing by the Knesset Subcommittee for the Relations of Israel with World Jewish Communities - suggests quite the opposite.

In 2007, various Israeli organizations received $2.1 billion from U.S. donors through the Jewish Agency and various "friendship" associations, according to findings by professors Theodore Sasson and Eric Fleisch, of the Cohen Center of Modern Jewish Studies at Brandeis University in Massachusetts. This is double what U.S. donors contributed 12 years earlier, when only $1.08 billion was raised in the United States for Israeli organizations.

"Most of the income of the leading organizations in Israel increased also when adjusted for inflation," Professor Sasson said in an interview with Haaretz. There has also been an increase in the number of U.S. organizations supporting Israel, he said, with the emergence of some 150 new pro-Israel groups in the United States in the 1990s, and some 280 emerging during the past decade.

While the research indicates that there was a 10-25 percent drop in donations during 2008 and 2009 - during the period of severe economic crisis in the United States - it suggests there was a substantial rise in donations in 2010, when the crisis began to subside.

"According to the partial data we have on the volume of contributions for 2010, we see that there is a clear rise in the amount of contributions," Sasson said. "Since some of the new organizations who joined did not yet file the data on their contributions, it is not possible to know definitively the size of the increase, but I believe that we will reach the record of 2007." Because of a drop in contributions to the Jewish Agency in recent years, "It was thought that Jews care less about Israel, but the situation suggests that U.S. Jewry is deeply committed to Israel," he said. Sasson says the main reason for the increase in contributions is not necessarily linked with a rise in Zionism, but to the increase in the number of donor collectors and their improved professionalism over the years.

"There is also the rise in the number of NGOs and the fact that since 2000 there have been NGOs who raise funds directly and not through the Jewish Agency or the [American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee], as in the past," he said. Link


You call Atzmon's ideas "propaganda", when it is you who insists on promoting an artificial separation between the Israeli state and the massive support and legitimation it receives from Jewish communities elsewhere. Like I said earlier, opposing Israel's crimes without addressing the support network that finances and otherwise enables them, is like trying to put out a gas fire without turning off the gas. It only serves those who want to keep the fire going, while pretending to work hard at putting it out.

Atzmon's analytical paradigm also helps us to understand why and how so many self-proclaimed "Jewish Palestine solidarity activists" have managed to destroy or render ineffective every Palestine solidarity movement that they've taken over.

It makes sense of such incidents such as "Palestine solidarity activists" exerting enormous efforts to cancel an important fundraising concert for Medical Aid for Palestine following an Israeli massacre, and then, when after failing to do so, threatening and harassing Medical Aid for Palestine to get them to refuse the money raised.

It explains how Tony Greenstein can boast about his "success" in disrupting a concert by an Israeli orchestra, when in fact his actions provoked widespread sympathy for the Israelis and antipathy towards the Palestine solidarity movement in whose name he speaks.

It also explains how the UK's largest Palestine solidarity organization, the PSC, whose board Greenstein and his gang currently dominate, diverted everybody's attention to their noisy campaign to boycott a play in London by an Israeli theater troupe, which actually led to the Israeli play being sold out, while at the same time ignoring a play produced by a Palestinian theater company from the occupied territories, so that it received little or no publicity.

It explains why the PSC ignored one of the few solidarity events run by and for Palestinians, commemorating the Deir Yassin massacre, a pivotal wound in Palestinian history, while aggressively imposing their own feverish obsession with "antisemitism" as the central issue of the Palestine solidarity movement.

In effect, it is you who is promoting a myth, and propaganda, that obscures far more than it enlightens. And you try to discredit Gilad Atzmon (and, by implication, anybody who disagrees with your assessment of him) by implying or stating outright that Gilad Atzmon is a fascist, warmonger, "antisemite" and so on.

This, despite the fact that you've provided not one shred of evidence, none at all, that either Gilad Atzmon or anybody here is in any way a fascist; on the contrary:

fas·cism
noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>


...let alone a "warmonger" or anything but a strong and consistent advocate for equal human and legal rights for all people, unconditionally.

In other words, you are using "prejudicial language", in which "loaded or emotive terms are used to attach value or moral goodness to believing the proposition," and conversely, "loaded or emotive terms" to attach negative or moral badness to those who disagree with your proposition.

This is a classic tool of demagoguery, which, in the case of someone as intelligent and knowledgeable and normally respectful of others as yourself, suggests that you lack serious, credible arguments based on facts and logic, to support your case. Otherwise, you would have certainly used them, instead.
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Postby yathrib » Wed May 02, 2012 12:52 pm

I listened to the podcast on Gnostic Media, and at first my opinion of Atzmon was more favorable than I expected. He seemed to be fairly nuanced in his thinking. But his whole take on the topics seems to be ahistorical. For example, might there be any good reason that Jews might tend to react to perceived threats in a certain way? Not for Atzmon. It all just popped out of the ether yesterday, for him. That being said, the interviewer was dreadful. If I never listen to him again, it will be too soon. Jeff Rense looks like a man of reason and intellectual depth by comparison.
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Postby barracuda » Wed May 02, 2012 2:08 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:On the contrary, it is Gilad Atzmon who is exposing the toxic ideology of secular, modern "Jewish identity", which equates between "Jewishness" and "victimhood" regardless of objective reality, which does not protect actual victims, but in fact surrounds racist oppressors and war criminals with a halo of sanctity. It is Atzmon who makes sense of such otherwise inexplicable phenomena such as Netanyahu's cloaking himself in the Holocaust, while also using 'Jewish' code words to advocate genocide and catastrophic war, and heading a state that is systematically robbing and terrorizing the indigenous Palestinians in order to replace them with racist Jewish colonies.


    In a December 2005 speech, Ahmadinejad said that a legend was fabricated and had been promoted to protect Israel. He said,

      They have fabricated a legend, under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves ... If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream.[125]

    The remarks immediately provoked international controversy as well as swift condemnation from government officials in Israel, Europe, and the United States. All six political parties in the German parliament signed a joint resolution condemning this Holocaust denial.[126]

    Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal described Ahmadinejad's comments as "courageous" and stated that "Muslim people will defend Iran because it voices what they have in their hearts, in particular the Palestinian people."[127] In the United States, the Muslim Public Affairs Council condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks.[128]

    On April 24, 2006, Ahmadinejad demanded a free evaluation of the real extent of the Holocaust "in order to find the ultimate truth."[129] In a May 30, 2006 interview with Der Spiegel, Ahmadinejad again questioned the Holocaust several times, insisting there were "two opinions" on it. When asked if the Holocaust was a myth, he responded "I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it".[130]

    On December 11, 2006, the "International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust" opened to widespread condemnation.[131] The conference, called for by and held at the behest of Ahmadinejad,[132] was widely described as a "Holocaust denial conference" or a "meeting of Holocaust deniers",[133] though Iran denied it was a Holocaust denial conference.[134] A few months before it opened, the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi stated: "The Holocaust is not a sacred issue that one can't touch. I have visited the Nazi camps in Eastern Europe. I think it is exaggerated."[135]

    In early June 2009, Ahmadinejad described Israel as "the most criminal regime in human history" and spoke about the "great deception of the Holocaust" in a speech quoted by IRIB.[138]

    At the September 2009 Quds Day ceremonies in Tehran, Ahmadinejad stated Israel was created on "a lie and a mythical claim,"[139] that the Western powers "launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews" link[140]


It is Gilad Atzmon's analysis that clarifies why Simon Wiesenthal's organization, which bills itself as "an international Jewish human rights organization dedicated to repairing the world one step at a time" actively promotes the most vile racist agitation against Muslims in the US, and is bulldozing an ancient and archeologically priceless Muslim cemetery dating back over a thousand years in Jerusalem, in order to build a "Museum of Tolerance" on the site.


    The Buddhas of Bamiyan (Persian: بت های باميان‎ – but hay-e bamiyan) were two 6th century[1] monumental statues of standing buddhas carved into the side of a cliff in the Bamyan valley in the Hazarajat region of central Afghanistan, situated 230 km (140 mi) northwest of Kabul at an altitude of 2,500 meters (8,202 ft). Built in 507 AD, the larger in 554 AD,[1] the statues represented the classic blended style of Gandhara art.[2]

    The main bodies were hewn directly from the sandstone cliffs, but details were modeled in mud mixed with straw, coated with stucco. This coating, practically all of which was worn away long ago, was painted to enhance the expressions of the faces, hands and folds of the robes; the larger one was painted carmine red and the smaller one was painted multiple colors.[3]

    The lower parts of the statues' arms were constructed from the same mud-straw mix while supported on wooden armatures. It is believed that the upper parts of their faces were made from great wooden masks or casts. The rows of holes that can be seen in photographs were spaces that held wooden pegs which served to stabilize the outer stucco.

    They were dynamited and destroyed in March 2001 by the Taliban, on orders from leader Mullah Mohammed Omar,[4] after the Taliban government declared that they were "idols".[5] International opinion strongly condemned the destruction of the Buddhas, which was viewed as an example of the intolerance of the Taliban. Japan and Switzerland, among others, have pledged support for the rebuilding of the statues.[6] link


It is Gilad Atzmon, who can explain why acting in solidarity with the victims of racist oppression is equated with "antisemitism" by those who support the "Jewish state", and insist that all Jews must do so, based on their "Jewish identity", or be labeled "self-hating Jews".


    In the immediate aftermath of trilateral invasion during the Suez Crisis of 1956, on November 23 by Britain France and Israel, a proclamation was issued stating that 'all Jews are Zionists and enemies of the state'[citation needed], and it promised that they would be soon expelled. Some 25,000 Jews, almost half of the Jewish community left, mainly for Europe, the United States and South America, and Israel, after being forced to sign declarations that they were leaving voluntarily, and agreed with the confiscation of their assets. Some 1,000 more Jews were imprisoned. Similar measures were enacted against British and French nationals in retaliation for the invasion. In Joel Beinin's summary: "Between 1919 and 1956, the entire Egyptian Jewish community, like the Cicurel firm, was transformed from a national asset into a fifth column."[19]

    After the 1967 war, more confiscations took place. Rami Mangoubi, who lived in Cairo at the time, states that nearly all Egyptian Jewish men between the ages of 17 and 60 were either thrown out of the country immediately, or taken to the detention centres of Abou Za'abal and Tura, where they were incarcerated and tortured for more than three years.[26] The eventual result was the almost complete disappearance of the Jewish community in Egypt; less than a hundred or so remain today. Most Egyptian Jews fled to Israel (35,000), Brazil (15,000), France (10,000), the US (9,000) and Argentina (9,000).[citation needed] Today, anti-Jewish feelings run high in Egypt, and is common in the media. The last Jewish wedding in Egypt took place in 1984. link


It is Atzmon, who provides a rational framework for understanding your bizarre claim that in places like California, Jewish Americans are victims of institutionalized prejudice, while you blithely and callously dismiss all the evidence that Muslims are, and your constant denials that leading Jewish authorities are active in a massive racist campaign against Muslims.






Only a few days after Israel had rained down burning phosphorous and missiles on the dispossessed, trapped and already starving refugee population in Gaza concentration camp, burning alive hundreds of helpless human beings, even small babies, this took place in Seattle, America:




If the apartheid, terrorist state of Israel has nothing to do with "Jewishness", then how do you explain the fact that so many American Jews proclaim it to be their 'homeland'? Why do they donate billions of dollars to Israel, and how come such donations to a state where Jewish citizens enjoy a high standard of living are tax deductible under US law, even when they go to the Israeli army, which enforces a racist, illegal occupation, or even armed, racist settlers on Palestinian land?


SAAR Foundation

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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby slimmouse » Wed May 02, 2012 2:54 pm

Can anyone help me, or are the Buddhas in Afghanistan truly the only strawmen in the above response ?

Are you suggesting that Atzmons critique of the label "Jews" is all wrong because of what others have said and done, more often than not in response to the racist actions of the state of Israel ?

And the Palestinians celebrating the towers falling cuda. Seriously ? Thats a video that deserves its place in propaganda arm of history along with say the toppling of Saddams statue, and all the best of Goebbels wet dreams.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby Searcher08 » Wed May 02, 2012 3:04 pm

slimmouse wrote:Can anyone help me, or are the Buddhas in Afghanistan truly the only strawmen in the above response ?

And the Palestinians celebrating the towers falling cuda. Seriously ?


I'm not sure why Cuda is quoting links to organisations up to their wahoolah's in spookery - seriously , given that there is a shed load of connections indicating that ptech was a CIA / Saudi Intel / Mossad nexus and a more likely pointer to the existence of a trans-national MetaGroup as Peter Dale Scott defined it is hard to imagine.

How is that related to Gilad Atzmon?
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