AlicetheKurious wrote:I agree that Wayne Madsen is not a credible source. However, Israeli discrimination against Christians in Palestine is very real. This is just a small sample:
Christians in the Holy Land: Under (Israeli) Siege
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on themFirst Published: 2012-02-20
Israeli ‘price tag’ attacks spare no Muslim or Christian site
Attackers daub death threats on walls of Baptist House church in central Jerusalem, vandalise three cars parked nearby in latest hate crime.
Middle East Online
JERUSALEM - Attackers daubed death threats on the walls of the Baptist House church in central Jerusalem overnight and vandalised three cars parked nearby in the latest "price tag" hate crime, police said on Monday.
"Anti-Christian graffiti was found on the walls of the Baptist church and the tyres of three cars parked nearby were slashed," said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld of the church which is located on Narkis Street in west Jerusalem.
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Alice wrote:First, it's hard to evaluate such statistics without first knowing if, say, a swastika drawn in chalk, or a very minor incident of rudeness or refusal to give time off work is registered the same as a physical assault or a shooting, or a bombing
Property damage and spittle aren't nothing, by any means. But I don't think they really provide enough of a bulwark between you and a double standard to fully shield you from charges of religious bias under all circumstances, either. You therefore wouldn't want to give anybody the impression that you couldn't distinguish...
Alice wrote:if the zionists say, "Well, that's just ancient history or religious mumbo-jumbo, and therefore irrelevant to us," when it comes to the killing of Christ and the subsequent oath by the ancient Hebrews, "Let his blood be on our heads and on the heads of our children!", then why the hell are they killing and pillaging and plundering Palestinians on the basis of God's commandment to do so? In other words, it's a package deal: either you believe that both the license to kill and steal and the oath taken by the ancient Hebrews are relevant and binding, or that neither is.
...between bible stories and reality, for instance. I mean, that's not a porous boundary, no matter whose bible stories they are. And it hardly helps that it's not a mistake you'll ever see your enemies making, when it counts. Zionism didn't -- and still doesn't -- actually hang its hat on religious imperatives. And Israel was founded in accordance with the UN's partition plan, and not with religious law.
In short: It isn't -- and never has been -- Israeli policy to stake everything -- or even much at all -- on playing the Holy-Land card. In fact, they mostly just use it to beguile the minds of Christians, for PR purposes. After all, the Law of Return itself is premised on Leage-of-Nations mandate/U.N.-Partition-Plan-compatible grounds, not on anything as intangible as religious commandment.
Or as debatable, if it comes to that. Because -- as you're probably already aware -- some inherently non-reformist Jews don't even count making aliyah by moving to Israel as a mitzvah that has to be followed strictly, without a single change or even minor modification, at all, while some see it as a solemn obligation, and still others adhere to a positon that falls somewhere, anywhere or nowhere in between.
Whatever the case: You don't see Israel making that kind of mistake. They just count on you to do that, since -- mirabile dictu -- it gives them a defense strategy that plays in Peoria. Which they need. Being criminals and all.
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^^I don't mean "you, Alice" by that "you," btw. I just mean the everyperson "you."