Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmon

[eyeno]

Don't speak for me. You don't do it well.

I"ve said over and over that I like jewish people. What is being done in jewish people's name is not cool. All jewish people may suffer for this, again. How many times should we go through this, in the name of the jewish people? I am asking YOU this question. As a jewish person do you seriously want to take the blame for all this? I didn't think so...If I were jewish I certainly would not take the blame for it. Atzmon is trying to shield judaism from zionism. This is not complicated.

[Simulist]

There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here

It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

it's not the love that being closely watched for here but carry on and as long as this thread continues we will all be reminded over and over and over and over again that RI is not an anti-semitic Jewish holocaust denying website

I repeat:

Murder is a crime, and it's wrong. But unless I'm grossly misinformed on the subject, the Holocaust was "the Final Solution" to exterminate every Jewish man, woman, and child. To utterly wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Because of this, I see few crimes that compare in (A) intent, or (B) scope — if any.

Is this not true?

If you don't care to answer — clearly and unambiguously — then please don't complain about others whenever they don't respond to you.

[compared2what?]

Thanks Alice
He still waits with regard to Ireland.

Kro

me too....but some holocausts are much more important than others

Not to me. I oppose them all equally.

But you're entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose.

Cheers.

you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam


Slainte

Here are the search results for my username, plus "genocide." So knock yourself out counting how many were in comments made by me and to what they referred; and how many were made by others and were agreed to explicitly or implicitly by me, and to what they referred. I don't have time to get to it right now, but I'm confident about what the results will be.

search.php?keywords=genocide&terms=all&author=compared2what%3F&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

Here are the search results for my username, plus "holocaust":

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=holocaust&author=compared2what%3F&start=30

One of the first thing you may notice is that the first two-plus pages are from this thread, which represents a statistical upsurge of exponential proportions over my overall use of the word. And you also may notice that I've referred to the H-H-H-olocaust many, many more times in the last two months than I had in the entire, preceding four years.

And would you like to know what prompted me suddenly to start mentioning that I acknowledged that particular little reality, in which I'd never shown any very sustained or serious interest of any kind before, little Miss Erin-Go-Fuck-Yourself?

YOU GOT IT!

It was you.

After you started pitching your repellent little series of tantrums (starting shortly before this thread, IIRC) about how oppressed this board was by constant (largely non-existent) whining about the Holocaust (and, to be fair, the degree of popular acclaim with which it was met) I FELT OBLIGATED to make a conscious decision to start mentioning it in neutral terms as an acknowledged historical fact, purely out of respect for the memory of the numerous relatives I have who died therein.***

So I guess what I'm saying here, SLAD, is:

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count. ________________

Of the remainder, I can see at a glance that a bunch of them are from a thread on which Alice and I were both arguing against expanded Holocaust education; that a significant further number occur in words not written by me; that a few don't even refer to the -- or any -- Holocaust; and that none of them constitutes whining, imposing, or otherwise insisting on the primacy of one genocide over another.

Did I already tell you to go fuck yourself?

If not: Go fuck yourself.
__________________________

***And just to start out my little private project of quietly admitting to the Holocaust with maximum consideration for others here, I actually went out of my way to make sure that my very first use of the term was contextualized by immediately following it with an argument that the word "zionazi" was a legitimate political reference to the Holocaust. Right here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34135&p=452163&hilit=holocaust#p452163

But, of course, that only led to this:

Which particular holoclaust are you referrring to c2w ?

Would that be the only known holocaust amidst every current "reputable" historical source ? The only holocaust mentionable in current rhetoric ?

I assume so.

Because you can't put nuthin' over on that slimmouse.

Incidentally, every word of that is true. I have been deliberately mentioning the Holocaust in measured terms, purely in response to you.

Or, more accurately, purely out of a combination of the private respect for my dead that I naturally feel and the equally natural wish to avoid feeling more of the shame that my silence in the face of your shitting, pissing, and vomiting on their memories had made me feel. And yet, I didn't want to get in your stupid ugly face about it any more than I could avoid. Of course. Because you're entitled to your feelings, too.

Also: Go fuck yourself.

[Searcher08]

Thanks Alice
He still waits with regard to Ireland.

Kro

me too....but some holocausts are much more important than others

Not to me. I oppose them all equally.

But you're entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose.

Cheers.

you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam


Slainte

slad, earlier on in the thread, I put forward the idea that probably a lot of Atzmon's thinking about identity and culture was actually worth investigating in cultures outside the Jewish one.
My opinion is that a lot of what he says is done to as he sees it ask unaskable questions.

Upthread I tried to ask some parallel 'unaskable questions' about Irishness. I would be really interested in what you think of that, as so much of this thread is about one identity /culture.

Just as there is the difference between a physical Holocaust and the narrative / myth around it - eg the Nizkor site is a very good resource on physical Holocaust disputes and Finklestein seems a very good resource on the "Holocaust Industry"

There also seems to be competition in the mythology department - for example Foxman saying to the Ukrainian President that it would be inadvisable to talk about the Holomodor and the Holocaust.

I hope that NO ONE on this thread EVER thinks of ANY of these issues from a point of view of a re-incarnation perspective. And that today's Jew could have been yesterday's Arab and will be tomorrows Inuit. In fact, I demand it. DO NOT THINK LIKE THIS. And any input of some Holocaust victims being alive and well and happily living in Sweden and Finland right now should rightly be ignored as the ravings of a Hippie fruitcake business lovin IT nutjob libertarian socialist who spends too much time on CT forums.

[eyeno]

Wow. RI just sunk to a new low.

compared2what wrote:

So I guess what I'm saying here, SLAD, is:

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count. ________________

Of the remainder, I can see at a glance that a bunch of them are from a thread on which Alice and I were both arguing against expanded Holocaust education; that a significant further number occur in words not written by me; that a few don't even refer to the -- or any -- Holocaust; and that none of them constitutes whining, imposing, or otherwise insisting on the primacy of one genocide over another.

Did I already tell you to go fuck yourself?

If not: Go fuck yourself.

I didn't write the above SLAD. Compared2what wrote that shit, if you can even believe it....


SLAD this is the way I read it. I may not agree with it, but obviously this is your message....from compared2what........mmmmm.....kay?..



( our people starved the fuck out of your people, sorry your people rolled around in the dirt with their eyeballs drying up in famine pain, but hey, fuck you and your people slad, seriously, i hope your great grandmother died in agonizing pain, one of our lives is worth a thousand irish slobbering cry babies lives, deny us a good vein to feed off of an we will starve your fucking ass again, slobbering crybaby starving asshole)


SLAD I can't believe ^^^ this is allowed upon you, but it is. Your dedication to this forum is more than admirable.

SLAD

[barracuda]

Don't speak for me. You don't do it well.

I"ve said over and over that I like jewish people. What is being done in jewish people's name is not cool. All jewish people may suffer for this, again. How many times should we go through this, in the name of the jewish people? I am asking YOU this question. As a jewish person do you seriously want to take the blame for all this? I didn't think so...If I were jewish I certainly would not take the blame for it. Atzmon is trying to shield judaism from zionism. This is not complicated.

You're fucking creepy, man.

[compared2what?]

That's it.

Bye.

[Simulist]

Yes. There appears to be some genuinely creepy shit afoot here: antisemitic, Holocaust-denying shit — thinly-veiled to navigate board rules, but increasingly apparent nonetheless.

[Searcher08]

Thanks Alice
He still waits with regard to Ireland.

Kro

me too....but some holocausts are much more important than others

Not to me. I oppose them all equally.

But you're entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose.

Cheers.

you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam


Slainte

Here are the search results for my username, plus "genocide." So knock yourself out counting how many were in comments made by me and to what they referred; and how many were made by others and were agreed to explicitly or implicitly by me, and to what they referred. I don't have time to get to it right now, but I'm confident about what the results will be.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... mit=Search

Here are the search results for my username, plus "holocaust":

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... F&start=30

One of the first thing you may notice is that the first two-plus pages are from this thread, which represents a statistical upsurge of exponential proportions over my overall use of the word. And you also may notice that I've referred to the H-H-H-olocaust many, many more times in the last two months than I had in the entire, preceding four years.

And would you like to know what prompted me suddenly to start mentioning that I acknowledged that particular little reality, in which I'd never shown any very sustained or serious interest of any kind before, little Miss Erin-Go-Fuck-Yourself?

YOU GOT IT!

It was you.

After you started pitching your repellent little series of tantrums (starting shortly before this thread, IIRC) about how oppressed this board was by constant (largely non-existent) whining about the Holocaust (and, to be fair, the degree of popular acclaim with which it was met) I FELT OBLIGATED to make a conscious decision to start mentioning it in neutral terms as an acknowledged historical fact, purely out of respect for the memory of the numerous relatives I have who died therein.***

So I guess what I'm saying here, SLAD, is:

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count. ________________

Of the remainder, I can see at a glance that a bunch of them are from a thread on which Alice and I were both arguing against expanded Holocaust education; that a significant further number occur in words not written by me; that a few don't even refer to the -- or any -- Holocaust; and that none of them constitutes whining, imposing, or otherwise insisting on the primacy of one genocide over another.

Did I already tell you to go fuck yourself?

If not: Go fuck yourself.
__________________________

***And just to start out my little private project of quietly admitting to the Holocaust with maximum consideration for others here, I actually went out of my way to make sure that my very first use of the term was contextualized by immediately following it with an argument that the word "zionazi" was a legitimate political reference to the Holocaust. Right here:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... st#p452163

But, of course, that only led to this:

Which particular holoclaust are you referrring to c2w ?

Would that be the only known holocaust amidst every current "reputable" historical source ? The only holocaust mentionable in current rhetoric ?

I assume so.

Because you can't put nuthin' over on that slimmouse.

Incidentally, every word of that is true. I have been deliberately mentioning the Holocaust in measured terms, purely in response to you.

Or, more accurately, purely out of a combination of the private respect for my dead that I naturally feel and the equally natural wish to avoid feeling more of the shame that my silence in the face of your shitting, pissing, and vomiting on their memories had made me feel. And yet, I didn't want to get in your stupid ugly face about it any more than I could avoid. Of course. Because you're entitled to your feelings, too.

Also: Go fuck yourself.

Yes, but tell her what you REALLY mean.

I didn't imagine you to be a racist c2w; I felt you seemed disinterested about mapping Atzmon to a another culture and wondered why. Is this the same c2w who was lecturing me about bullying AD??

You can express your anger fully without being racist, if you choose.
I would appreciate it if you apologized to my friend for saying those things.

I much prefer the c2w who calls me honey, and I'd like her back please.

[seemslikeadream]

There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here

It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

it's not the love that being closely watched for here but carry on and as long as this thread continues we will all be reminded over and over and over and over again that RI is not an anti-semitic Jewish holocaust denying website

I repeat:

Murder is a crime, and it's wrong. But unless I'm grossly misinformed on the subject, the Holocaust was "the Final Solution" to exterminate every Jewish man, woman, and child. To utterly wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Because of this, I see few crimes that compare in (A) intent, or (B) scope — if any.

Is this not true?

If you don't care to answer — clearly and unambiguously — then please don't complain about others whenever they don't respond to you.

I have anwsered you and I have NEVER ever complained about the lack of responses to me


and thanks for making it clear who's deaths are more important

[barracuda]

It strikes me that perhaps there are some unresolved issues surrounding this topic which need to be more fully explored for everyone to attain a proper sense of closure.

[eyeno]

Don't speak for me. You don't do it well.

I"ve said over and over that I like jewish people. What is being done in jewish people's name is not cool. All jewish people may suffer for this, again. How many times should we go through this, in the name of the jewish people? I am asking YOU this question. As a jewish person do you seriously want to take the blame for all this? I didn't think so...If I were jewish I certainly would not take the blame for it. Atzmon is trying to shield judaism from zionism. This is not complicated.

You're fucking creepy, man.

I'm so sickened by this thread, and its so beneath RI standards (especially since you got into the picture) that I will again take my leave of it. But you sir, obviously, are one of the only slippery things around this place, my devout Catholic Friend. Right now there is a war being fought in this forum for BALANCE and balance is fighting back in order to keep this place afloat.

If balance loses this little war then this place is toast. You sir are a damn ship sinker of the highest order. You came out of modship simply to participate in this thread because this thread was driving you CRAZY. As small as this forum place is, and considering the astute nature of the readership, you may be the torpedo in its hull. Sort of like....mmmm....I dunno.....USS Liberty maybe?

There are only three or four people maintaining balance around here at the present time. When they leave, and trust me we will, this place will sink into the swamp with you at the helm, slippery fuckers and all....

[seemslikeadream]

Thanks Alice
He still waits with regard to Ireland.

Kro

me too....but some holocausts are much more important than others

Not to me. I oppose them all equally.

But you're entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose.

Cheers.

you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam


Slainte

Here are the search results for my username, plus "genocide." So knock yourself out counting how many were in comments made by me and to what they referred; and how many were made by others and were agreed to explicitly or implicitly by me, and to what they referred. I don't have time to get to it right now, but I'm confident about what the results will be.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... mit=Search

Here are the search results for my username, plus "holocaust":

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... F&start=30

One of the first thing you may notice is that the first two-plus pages are from this thread, which represents a statistical upsurge of exponential proportions over my overall use of the word. And you also may notice that I've referred to the H-H-H-olocaust many, many more times in the last two months than I had in the entire, preceding four years.

And would you like to know what prompted me suddenly to start mentioning that I acknowledged that particular little reality, in which I'd never shown any very sustained or serious interest of any kind before, little Miss Erin-Go-Fuck-Yourself?

YOU GOT IT!

It was you.

After you started pitching your repellent little series of tantrums (starting shortly before this thread, IIRC) about how oppressed this board was by constant (largely non-existent) whining about the Holocaust (and, to be fair, the degree of popular acclaim with which it was met) I FELT OBLIGATED to make a conscious decision to start mentioning it in neutral terms as an acknowledged historical fact, purely out of respect for the memory of the numerous relatives I have who died therein.***

So I guess what I'm saying here, SLAD, is:

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count. ________________

Of the remainder, I can see at a glance that a bunch of them are from a thread on which Alice and I were both arguing against expanded Holocaust education; that a significant further number occur in words not written by me; that a few don't even refer to the -- or any -- Holocaust; and that none of them constitutes whining, imposing, or otherwise insisting on the primacy of one genocide over another.

Did I already tell you to go fuck yourself?

If not: Go fuck yourself.
__________________________

***And just to start out my little private project of quietly admitting to the Holocaust with maximum consideration for others here, I actually went out of my way to make sure that my very first use of the term was contextualized by immediately following it with an argument that the word "zionazi" was a legitimate political reference to the Holocaust. Right here:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... st#p452163

But, of course, that only led to this:

Which particular holoclaust are you referrring to c2w ?

Would that be the only known holocaust amidst every current "reputable" historical source ? The only holocaust mentionable in current rhetoric ?

I assume so.

Because you can't put nuthin' over on that slimmouse.

Incidentally, every word of that is true. I have been deliberately mentioning the Holocaust in measured terms, purely in response to you.

Or, more accurately, purely out of a combination of the private respect for my dead that I naturally feel and the equally natural wish to avoid feeling more of the shame that my silence in the face of your shitting, pissing, and vomiting on their memories had made me feel. And yet, I didn't want to get in your stupid ugly face about it any more than I could avoid. Of course. Because you're entitled to your feelings, too.

Also: Go fuck yourself.

Yes, but tell her what you REALLY mean.

I didn't imagine you to be a racist c2w; I felt you seemed disinterested about mapping Atzmon to a another culture and wondered why. Is this the same c2w who was lecturing me about bullying AD??

You can express your anger fully without being racist, if you choose.
I would appreciate it if you apologized to my friend for saying those things.

I much prefer the c2w who calls me honey, and I'd like her back please.

it's ok to say crap about the irish....there's no name for it

[Searcher08]

Yes. There appears to be some genuinely creepy shit afoot here: antisemitic, Holocaust-denying shit — thinly-veiled to navigate board rules, but increasingly apparent nonetheless.

Are you referring to eyeno? Cos I have no idea what the fuck he is talking about.

I think racism has no place here, as well. I highlighted some of it in big slobbery Irish green.

[Simulist]

There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here

It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

it's not the love that being closely watched for here but carry on and as long as this thread continues we will all be reminded over and over and over and over again that RI is not an anti-semitic Jewish holocaust denying website

I repeat:

Murder is a crime, and it's wrong. But unless I'm grossly misinformed on the subject, the Holocaust was "the Final Solution" to exterminate every Jewish man, woman, and child. To utterly wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Because of this, I see few crimes that compare in (A) intent, or (B) scope — if any.

Is this not true?

If you don't care to answer — clearly and unambiguously — then please don't complain about others whenever they don't respond to you.

I have anwsered you and I have NEVER ever complained about the lack of responses to me


and thanks for making it clear who's deaths are more important

You've not answered the question, and you know it.

You can't answer the question, because it would be too revealing about what you really appear to think.