The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

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The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:07 pm

Mystery of the third man

The Age, June 28, 2009

Liz Porter

http://www.theage.com.au/national/myste ... -d0j2.html

WHEN John Geiger read Sir Ernest Shackleton's memoir of his 1914-1917 Antarctic expedition, he was transfixed by the legendary polar explorer's tale of his battle for survival after the team's ship, Endurance, became trapped in ice.

In the final weeks of the expedition, Shackleton and two companions had made a heroic, last-ditch attempt to reach a British whaling station, so they could get help to the other members of the expedition who were sick, exhausted and waiting 1100 kilometres away at Elephant Island. Filthy, ragged, dehydrated and ill-equipped, the trio trekked 38 kilometres across glaciers and icy mountain ranges on the island of South Georgia, reaching the British settlement 36 hours later.

The Toronto-based writer was in awe of Shackleton's powers of physical endurance. But it was the metaphysical aspect of the story that stayed with him ? the "unseen presence" that, according to the explorer, had accompanied the three men on the last harrowing stage of their journey.

"It seemed to me often that we were four not three," Shackleton wrote in his memoir, South. Later, in his public lectures about the expedition, he referred to this presence as his "divine companion".

Geiger, 49, is chairman of the Royal Canadian Geographical Society's expeditions committee, a fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and a member of the legendary New York-based Explorers Club. Five years ago, when he first opened the Shackleton memoir, the four non-fiction books on his CV included two about failed polar expeditions. But Geiger had never heard of the phenomenon that Shackleton described. "It seemed like an odd admission to appear in this heroic survival story," he says. Wondering if other explorers might have had similar experiences, he started looking for examples.

He says the "miracle of Google" provided a cluster of leads on the phenomenon that 1975 Mount Everest climber Doug Scott described as "the third man syndrome: imagining there is someone else walking beside you, a comforting presence telling you what to do next".

Geiger discovered aviator Charles Lindbergh's account of on-board "phantoms" during his 1927 attempt to make the first solo non-stop trans-Atlantic flight from New York to Paris. As the pilot struggled to stay awake during the 33-hour flight, he felt that his companions were friendly and helpful. "(They were) conversing and advising on my flight ? reassuring me," he wrote about them later.

Geiger started to think he might have another book on his hands. "There was something interesting going on. Not just a fluke hallucination. I soon reached a dozen (cases). Then 25. And in the end I had 100-plus.

"I felt it was important that people understand just how common this experience is. It's not highly unusual and freakish. It's an experience that people have in all sorts of environments and conditions ? and that lends it a lot of power."

Meantime, the writer had discovered that the syndrome was endemic among climbers, from Peter Hillary, to Lincoln Hall and Reinhold Messner. But discussion of it had remained secret climbers' business ? quarantined to the kind of books and magazines mostly read by other climbers.

Geiger emphasises that he is laying no claims to discovering the "third man factor". British neurologist MacDonald Critchley, for example, had alluded to the concept in his 1955 essay The Idea of a Presence, which drew on the scientist's 1943 study of 279 shipwrecked sailors and airmen. It included statements from a pilot and his observer who had both kept imagining a third person adrift with them in their rubber dinghy in the North Atlantic.

"But nobody in the scientific realm was pursuing (the idea)," says Geiger. "And nobody in the popular realm was attempting to pull it together and tell the story of what I think is a very important survival mechanism."

If the "third man factor" had been confined to climbers, the writer concedes, he might have been less intrigued by it because a clear and logical explanation for the phenomenon ? altitude sickness-induced brain malfunction ? seemed so readily at hand. Once he started to discover more examples of "third man syndrome" ? at sea-level, in the jungles of New Guinea, in space capsules ? he felt he was facing a phenomenon that was both universally appealing and perplexing.

His conviction that the topic merited a book-length study was underlined when he heard examples of the "third man" appearing in urban environments as well as in the wilderness. After a department store collapsed in Seoul, Korea, in 1995, killing more than 300 people, a 19-year-old clerk, Park Seung-hyung, survived for 16 days in an air pocket beneath a crushed lift shaft. When rescued, she reported that a monk had appeared to her several times during her ordeal, giving her an apple and keeping her hope alive.

On September 11, 2001, trader Ron DiFrancesco was the last person out of the south tower of the World Trade Centre before it collapsed. Fighting his way down stairs he felt he was being "guided", with "an angel" urging him not to recoil from flames in a stairwell, but to run through them. DiFrancesco was a man of deep religious beliefs who explained his experience as "divine intervention". But religious people are a minority among the many cases that Geiger presents in The Third Man Factor.

The book chronicles the history of the phenomenon, recording early references to it in classical writing, in the Bible, and describing the first modern instance in 1895, when Nova Scotia-born Joshua Slocum's 12-metre sloop, Spray, was caught in a cataclysmic storm on the first leg of his attempt to become the first person to circumnavigate the world. Ill and delirious, Slocum was visited by a "strange guest" who took the helm for 48 hours as he lay incapacitated on the floor of his cabin.

"Third man" experiences have happened to adventurers who have voluntarily sought adventures that ended in ghastly ordeals, trapped in underwater caves or on snow-topped mountains.

But they have also touched the lives of prisoners, such as Israeli army medical officer Avi Ohri, captured by Egyptian soldiers in 1973. Kept awake for long periods, he endured beatings and mock executions. Sitting alone in his cell, blindfolded and with his arms tied behind his back, he had "visits" from "presences". One was his wife, then in Geneva. Another was an old friend from medical school.

He spoke to them, urging each visitor to save him. But each time the presence vanished as soon as he heard the approaching steps of his interrogators. Despite this, the visits encouraged him, he said later, and gave him hope that he would soon be released.

The book also surveys the theories advanced to explain the syndrome. The author quotes Dr Griffith Pugh, the physiologist on Sir Edmund Hillary's 1953 Everest expedition, who dismissed it as a "decay of the brain functions".

Geiger then points out the many cases where climbers claim that their "third man" helped them compensate for altitude-related impairment. He includes the views of psychologist Woodburn Heron, who explained it as a reaction by the brain in the state of pathological boredom created in isolated and monotonous environments. He cites the "principle of multiple triggers" ? the combination of extreme fatigue, pain and deprivation suffered by Antarctic explorers ? as a cause.

Geiger refers to the "widow effect", in which widows and widowers regularly sense the presence of a departed loved one. He also quotes recent research in Switzerland, in which doctors testing a patient with epilepsy found that she reported a sense of "a presence" when they stimulated a particular area of the brain. But in this case there was none of the usual "third man" sense of the presence being helpful. Instead, the feeling was "vaguely creepy".

To Geiger, the suggestion of a neurological basis to the "third man" raises the notion that the capacity to conjure up a third man might have been a useful evolutionary adaptation. "You can imagine if primitive man had this ability to call upon help it would improve a person's odds of survival over others who don't have it."

Ultimately, the author feels most comfortable describing the "third man factor" as a "coping mechanism". "It is a way for people who are under great physical and psychological duress to cope with their situation. There is nothing more helpful to people undergoing hardship than a sense that there is another person there, helping them."

The Third Man Factor is published by Text Publishing.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/myste ... -d0j2.html


An extract from Geiger's book.

On Edit: "Third Man Syndrome" was a nonsensical subtitle.
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Postby Perelandra » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:39 pm

Thanks, this may perhaps be of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_%28psychology%29
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Re: The Idea of a Presence ('Third Man' Syndrome)

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:56 pm

Ultimately, the author feels most comfortable describing the "third man factor" as a "coping mechanism". "It is a way for people who are under great physical and psychological duress to cope with their situation. There is nothing more helpful to people undergoing hardship than a sense that there is another person there, helping them."

Totally agree with this.
On a long 24 hr drive home, unfortunately to attend a funeral, the last 4 hrs got crazy, besides repeatedly seeing phantoms on the side of the road, I started talking to the guy beside me, of course there was no guy beside me. I kept realizing this, but eventual just went with it, next thing you know I was home. What was even more fascinating was that some of the phantoms were in american Indian dress. After reviewing my trip, the Indian phantoms correlated with my passing through a resevation with a long tribal history, Salamanca, NY area.
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Re: The Idea of a Presence ('Third Man' Syndrome)

Postby Nordic » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:38 am

Burnt Hill wrote:
Ultimately, the author feels most comfortable describing the "third man factor" as a "coping mechanism". "It is a way for people who are under great physical and psychological duress to cope with their situation. There is nothing more helpful to people undergoing hardship than a sense that there is another person there, helping them."

Totally agree with this.
On a long 24 hr drive home, unfortunately to attend a funeral, the last 4 hrs got crazy, besides repeatedly seeing phantoms on the side of the road, I started talking to the guy beside me, of course there was no guy beside me. I kept realizing this, but eventual just went with it, next thing you know I was home. What was even more fascinating was that some of the phantoms were in american Indian dress. After reviewing my trip, the Indian phantoms correlated with my passing through a resevation with a long tribal history, Salamanca, NY area.



And you totally agree that it's just a coping mechanism??

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Re: The Idea of a Presence ('Third Man' Syndrome)

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:51 am

Nordic wrote:
Burnt Hill wrote:
Ultimately, the author feels most comfortable describing the "third man factor" as a "coping mechanism". "It is a way for people who are under great physical and psychological duress to cope with their situation. There is nothing more helpful to people undergoing hardship than a sense that there is another person there, helping them."

Totally agree with this.
On a long 24 hr drive home, unfortunately to attend a funeral, the last 4 hrs got crazy, besides repeatedly seeing phantoms on the side of the road, I started talking to the guy beside me, of course there was no guy beside me. I kept realizing this, but eventual just went with it, next thing you know I was home. What was even more fascinating was that some of the phantoms were in american Indian dress. After reviewing my trip, the Indian phantoms correlated with my passing through a resevation with a long tribal history, Salamanca, NY area.



And you totally agree that it's just a coping mechanism??

:shrug:


That may be putting it mildly, and there is definitely more to it, but I think coping mechanism is fair, perhaps not just a coping mechanism, (though they are important enough in themselves), in so far as it helped me cope with exhaustion and being in a very emotional state, the funeral was for a close friends suicide. But the Indian phantoms are a very interesting aspect. So I totally agree with the entire premise, just didnt phrase it very well!
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Re: The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:10 am

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Yes, the title was appallingly stupid and misleading.

To Geiger, the suggestion of a neurological basis to the "third man" raises the notion that the capacity to conjure up a third man might have been a useful evolutionary adaptation. "You can imagine if primitive man had this ability to call upon help it would improve a person's odds of survival over others who don't have it."

Ultimately, the author feels most comfortable describing the "third man factor" as a "coping mechanism". "It is a way for people who are under great physical and psychological duress to cope with their situation. There is nothing more helpful to people undergoing hardship than a sense that there is another person there, helping them."



It's those zombie neuroscientists again.

They seem to believe that the brain creates illusions of the spirits.

When the reality is that spirits create the illusion of our brains.

Or rather, both and neither.

The categories are inadequate to the task of representing the true role of consciousness.

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Re: The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:52 pm

How related could the tulpa be? Is there a sort of overlap of brain function causing both? Is it really the same phenomenon, but those who experience the Third Man don't remember or don't want to admit that they willfully conjured a fellow traveler or protector?

Alexandra David-Néel wrote:…Besides having had few opportunities of seeing thought-forms, my habitual incredulity led me to make experiments for myself, and my efforts were attended with some success. In order to avoid being influenced by the forms of the lamaist deities, which I saw daily around me in paintings and images, I chose for my experiment a most insignificant character: a Monk, short and fat, of an innocent and jolly type.

I shut myself in tsams and proceeded to perform the prescribed concentration of thought and other rites. After a few months the phantom Monk was formed. His form grew gradually fixed and lifelike looking. He became a kind of guest, living in my apartment. I then broke my seclusion and started for a tour, with my servants and tents.

The Monk included himself in the party. Though I lived in the open, riding on horseback for miles each day, the illusion persisted. I saw the fat tulpa; now and then it was not necessary for me to think of him to make him appear. The phantom performed various actions of the kind that are natural to travelers and that I had not commanded. For instance, he walked, stopped, looked around him. The illusion was mostly visual, but sometimes I felt as if a robe was lightly rubbing against me, and once a hand seemed to touch my shoulder.

The features which I had imagined, when building my phantom, gradually underwent a change. The fat, chubby-cheeked fellow grew leaner, his face assumed a vaguely mocking, sly, malignant look. He became more troublesome and bold. In brief, he escaped my control. Once, a herdsman who brought me a present of butter saw the tulpa in my tent and took it for a living lama.

I ought to have let the phenomenon follow its course, but the presence of that unwanted companion began to prove trying to my nerves; it turned into a "day-nightmare". Moreover, I was beginning to plan my journey to Lhasa and needed a quiet brain devoid of other preoccupations, so I decided to dissolve the phantom. I succeeded, but only after six months of hard struggle. My mind-creature was tenacious of life…
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Re: The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:05 pm

And what of egregores, who can be seen by more than one person? Every time I hear of a group sighting of a holy figure, I think of the critters and wish the concept was more widely known, so that a more accurate evaluation of the experience could be made. I know the one created years ago by some Lawrence Livermore Labs people has been mentioned here, in mind control threads (and more recently in a movie thread), but I've never seen it investigated by anyone with enough grounding in the so-called paranormal to be able to look beyond "group suggestion/hallucination."

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Re: The Idea of a Presence (experiences in extremity)

Postby dada » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:21 pm

I've had similar experiences, at 50-60 hours into my arcade game marathon world record attempts. Extreme yes, but I wasn't in any dire situation though, just hadn't slept and had to keep most of my attention focused on doing the same thing over and over and over again. I wouldn't say it is just a coping mechanism. The presence(s) didn't help me, they were just there, hanging out mostly. I'd be certain that someone was standing next to me, even see them out of the corner of my eye, look over and see no one, look back to the game, and it would be there again. Talking with some of the other video game marathoners, we've all had experiences like that. Along with other interesting perceptual changes that are similar enough for me to think that it's just a normal result of subjecting a human brain/body to those conditions. After one of my attempts, I remember explaining it as having the little angel and devil sitting on my shoulders like in a cartoon, but unlike the cartoon they weren't trying to influence me, they were just watching me play the game.

I also recall that Dr. Lilly talks about the presences along with the other sensory experiences encountered in his isolation studies and research. I can't remember which book gets into it the most, though. Possibly Programming and Meta-Programming the Human Bio-Computer. But I'm not sure.
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