Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[Grizzly]

I read somehwhere, reddit , I think, that the trail of blood in those pictures are from a female victim, who was shot in the neck and carried out after his arrest... also, there were a pair of pink flip flops (of the same person) in the entry way just out side the door belonging to the victim. I'll try to find it..

Another thing, how can this guy be a "loner" when you have roommates? I have also read, that he had two room mates, that weren't being talked about in the fearstream media;I'll try to find that too... anyone else read these things?

[MacCruiskeen]

Imagine the scene:

You go to a big movie theater for the midnight premier of a long-awaited Hollywood blockbuster. Presumably the place is very crowded, and people are pretty excited even before the lights go down. Eventually the lights do go down. Now everyone's watching the silver screen - either the trailers for other movies, or the ads, or the titles sequence of the actual Batman movie they've come to see (reports vary). At any rate: the theater is dark and everyone is absorbed by what they're watching, unless they're chatting with their friends or else arriving at the last minute or slightly late.

Then you notice (for some reason) that some guy in the front row gets a call on his cellphone and immediately leaves through the emergency exit.

Minutes go by, maybe two, maybe twenty (reports vary). You're watching the opening sequence of the movie you paid to see.

Then a figure enters through the same door and starts throwing gas-or smoke-bombs into the audience before firing guns. The theater is still dark, and now smokey too. This figure is dressed from head to foot in black body armour, and his hair and face are concealed behind a gasmask and a ballistic helmet.





- Question: How do you know it's the same person?

- Answer: You don't.

Honestly, you don't. A positive identification is literally impossible.

So it would be nice if media hacks would stop twisting and editing people's words so that they appear to be identifying the masked shooter positively as James Holmes, or even as The Guy With the Cellphone in the Front Row.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

You're right Mac. I keep saying Holmes instead of "the suspect" too.

It's very hard not to, with it being reinforced all the time in the media that "this is the guy who did it", and of course they know that they are reinforcing that impression. His lawyer could use it in his defence that no one can positively identify him as the shooter, but he already has no chance of a fair trial anyway - which is not to say that he's definitely innocent, but no one will ever know either way short of a confession (and with the state he appears to be in now, I wouldn't be quick to trust that either).

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I read somehwhere, reddit , I think, that the trail of blood in those pictures are from a female victim, who was shot in the neck and carried out after his arrest... also, there were a pair of pink flip flops (of the same person) in the entry way just out side the door belonging to the victim. I'll try to find it..

Thanks Grizzly.

Another thing, how can this guy be a "loner" when you have roommates? I have also read, that he had two room mates, that weren't being talked about in the fearstream media;I'll try to find that too... anyone else read these things?

I wonder how they felt about the meticulous rigging of the whole appartment with highly unstable chemical bombs and incendiaries? I would hate it if a roommate did that in my place - even more than if they ate my ice lollies without permission. Unless the roommates were off on holiday, or went home for the summer maybe, they must have noticed what someone did in that appartment.

[Luther Blissett]

Anybody notice yet that these are two different people?



I thought it right away, the red-haired version didn't look anything like the other picture I'd seen, but I didn't have them to directly compare them, and I honestly didn't think anyone would make THAT big and obvious a mistake, so I sorta blew it off. I remembered mainly the eye color and the expression being radically different. And I've seen people who are addicts look very very different when they're using. And the red-haired version is very obviously on some heavy meds of some kind. God only knows what.

But now that someone has put this picture out, I'm like gob-smacking myself for not doing a direct comparison earlier.

I mean, c'mon. It's either a similar but different person OR he got a nose job. So which is it?

Nordic, are you sure it isn't the effect of different lenses? The first photo looks like it was taken at close range with a cell phone camera or webcam, and they're typically wide angle, which tends to flatten the nose, especially close up. The second photo, a mugshot, would be taken from a proper distance with something like a 'normal' lens for the proper perspective.

I photograph a lot of faces at my job, and experiment with focal length and subject distance; using a wider lens definitely makes a face---especially the nose---look fatter and wider.
So, I'm thinking the combination of a wide lens, close proximity, and his face-stretching mug make the second photo look like a different nose.

Maybe I'll do some experiments at work today...speaking of which, gotta dash!

Most school ID photos are done with the work of cheap webcams (ours are). Same goes for most small municipal police mugshots - the technology is a least very similar. I know that my (albeit very pretty) roman-nosed ex had a visceral reaction to being photographed with a fisheye lens, on the extreme end of wide-angle, but was vain and okay with any other kind of photography because of the only subtle distortions. I don't think that either of these are wide-angle, nor is it likely for either institution to use a wide-angle for their purposes. His nose is also pretty average so shouldn't register that much variation either way.

I spent my teenage summers doing portraiture at an amusement park. Not cheesy caricature - I had an Evan Hecox-ish, expressive woodcut style of realism in my work. Between that job, art school, and regular work, I've had thousands and thousands of people sit for me. I've spent countless hours studying faces, and one would really have to contort a lot of facial muscles to cause that much of a difference in nose between those two photos. He's just simply not mugging that much.

I think this is far enough off topic because it should be near irrelevant whether he's had a nose job or not, but...I'm pretty sure he's had a nose job.

[elfismiles]

Grizzly - RE:roommates - see my post here:
viewtopic.php?p=471739#p471739

I read somehwhere, reddit , I think, that the trail of blood in those pictures are from a female victim, who was shot in the neck and carried out after his arrest... also, there were a pair of pink flip flops (of the same person) in the entry way just out side the door belonging to the victim. I'll try to find it..

Another thing, how can this guy be a "loner" when you have roommates? I have also read, that he had two room mates, that weren't being talked about in the fearstream media;I'll try to find that too... anyone else read these things?

[elfismiles]

From page 2 of the thread...

I'm still trying to ascertain:

* when (time) the shooting started vs how far into the film - reports vary.

* how long the shooting actually occurred -reports vary.

* what actually happened at the end of the spree? Suspect walks out and waits?

* how could shooter wear both a gas mask AND a face shield?


http://www.bordeaux-airsoft-team.com/Bundeswehr/Uniforme%20Felin.JPG

Okay, I see there are several varieties available. Though the one above is a "BAT" style.

take this FWIW -- here's a comprehensive timeline from Reddit -- it's full of links, so check the Reddit pages for more info.

Part One
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/

Part Two
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wvb5e/comprehensive_timeline_part_2_aurora_massacre/

Part Three
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wvimc/comprehensive_timeline_part_3_aurora_massacre/

ABSTRACT
Shooting at the AMC Century Cinema: map, local police scanner. Bomb was may have been confirmed. It certainly sounded like it. Apparently a bomb may have blown up a part of a theater at the Dark Knight Rises premiere. Although the news isn't corroborating this right now, it definitely sounded like it on the scanner. Actually, it was probably the tear gas canisters.
Theater 9 (epicenter), Theater 8 (some hit), Theater 16 (people heard tear gas canisters)

ALL TIMES IN MDT, AM
1:27: "Bring as much crime scene tape as you can"
1:28: Aurora PD merging communications with Denver PD
1:35: Shooter wearing green camp pants
1:37: bomb squad is there, bringing in K-9 units. possible other bombs
1:40: 18 ambulances on scene
1:41: 9news story posted.
1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." In this context, it means fatalities.
1:43: Report of a bomb going off in a theater.
1:45: Patients being transported to Denver Health
1:47: Command staff briefing. This is huge.
1:49: Car, Tennesee plates, Hyundai, license [redacted]. third to west, in front of doors. Possible bomb. Main entrances of mall covered. Bomb squad moving in.
1:53: Canine units coordinating at SE entrance between JC Penney's and the food court. May be a bomb in there. Theory that bombs may be in front of theater.
1:55: New evidence for shooters. That's plural. Theater 8, the shooter was seated. One more was outside, went into Theater 9. Coordinated attack. Two shooters. Open door discovered at mall. Suspicion of bomb in there.
1:56: One shooter at large, one in custody. From Facebook: Someone set off some little party poppers in our theatre, next thing I know someone runs in and said there was a shooting. We huddled down into the seats because people were outside the exit. I was fortunate enough to get home safely with my sister but a few friends are still stuck there.
1:57: Due to bombs, police relocating all units to S of Dillard's. Open door was in Macy's. Suspicions of bombs there.
2:01: Submitted to Reddit. Second device possibly found, setting up a "unified command"
2:06: On /r/denver.
Comment from ThePenguinist: My best friend was at this. She said it happened about 30-40 minutes into the midnight premiere. Someone burst through the door and started shooting tear gas and then a gun. The only reason they got out was because they hit the ground and went for the door on their bellies. OMFG.
2:04: MSNBC tweets the story.
2:06: Secondary explosive device found in front of theater
2:08: Bringing K-9 unit to the command post.
2:14: Indian male found as witness. People (witnesses) moving to the food court entrance
2:18: Witnesses being transported to Gateway High School. There are 100 witnesses.
2:26: Story on MSNBC here
At least 20 people were hurt following a shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., police said Friday. The incident occurred at a cinema showing the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises," a police official told NBC News. One suspect was in custody, police said. It was unclear whether other suspects were involved. The injured were being transported to three local hospitals. A bomb squad was on site at the Century 16 movie theater, police added.
2:28: Theatre 9 going to Gateway HS. Everyone else is triaged. No vehicles allowed to leave. Witnesses being photographs.
2:30: Water jugs being moved.
2:36: Called the Denver Batman massacre by the Belfas Telegraph
2:42: "Possible older cop car-type seen fleeing the scene"
2:45: Which ambulances going where: 5 to Denver, 14 to University, 4 to Children's, 3 to Aurora South, 2 to Parker, 2 to Swedish
2:47: From 9News: 15 mins into movie, popping heard. People thought it was part of the movie. Saw material coming through the wall. Chaotic. Caused a scramble. Several injured people escorted into ambulances. Flow of ambulances slowed down, flow of police has not. SWAT teams there. Theater 9: Guy in body armor. "One of the largest scenes I've seen in my journalistic career."
2:52: Several police cars surrounding a vehicle. Possible explosive devices inside.
2:54: Tuned in to the 9News stream.
2:58: Newscast from Gateway HS. Witness is talking. People heard explosions and gunfire. No idea what happened. One shooter had a gas mask and was throwing tear gas.
2:59: Scanners report knife pulled on someone. WAY far away from theater. May be unrelated.
3:01: Someone reporting hand pain outside the theater.
3:02: Confirmed: At least 10 killed, 39 injured. Theaters 8 and 9 were sold out, and that's where the shooting took place. 9News confirms that one person is in custody.
3:02: Nothing found inside the mall so far. Dogs coming out.
3:06: Witness interview from earlier being replayed. Witness in Theater 9 was young woman. She described a man about 6' tall kicked through the door in a riot helmet and bulletproof vest. He was completely covered in all black, with goggles. After that, she and her boyfriend dropped to the floor. They got up, ran through the emergency exit. Shooter made his way up the stairs and started shooting people with the shotgun.
3:10: News is stalling until the police chief address.
3:15: Press conference: Gas released, gunman opened fire. Only know of one gunman. Police officers respond, find the gunman outside of the theater, carrying gas mask, rifle, handgun. One additional weapon found inside. 50 were hit. 14 confirmed dead.
3:15: Comment from elcoolerick: I live in Aurora, CO, Thought I'd share. "We were 20 min into the movie when the fire alarms started going off. We thought it was a prank. Then emergency intercom came on say there was a situation and we need to evacuate immediately. Next thing we know there was a police officer was outside the emergency exit with a shotgun yelling at us to run as far away from the theater as possible. We run out. There were people covered with blood every where with what looked like bullet wounds. Kids were crying . It was a terrible scene. Talked to some people, they are saying a man came into one of the theaters threw an explosive device and started shooting." -from a guy that was there.
More info from friends. "I was in the theatre, 9 people are dead shooting started inside the theatre and went to the back of the theatre. 3 people got show few rows infront of me and cops are up there with the SWAT with automatics and everything.It was scary. The first shots that were fired everyone stayed calm because they thought it was stupid kids with bottle caps. 2nd wave was fired the niggas ran out the theatre and thats when hell broke loose. Everyone was vulnerabe even as they left through the emergency exits" -KC Cannady
second part doesn't sound intelligent, but posted for historical reasons
3:30: AR-15 was the gun potentially used. One shooter or two? Many questions and very few answers other than a new death toll after the press conference. Keep your thoughts with the victims and their families.
3:42: More testimonies. Babies and small girls shot. News anchors getting emotional. Reports that the suspect had explosives in his apartment, which is also being searched.
3:48: Another /r/denver post from WaterSnake: here
3:49: More confirmation. 14 dead. 50 injured.
3:58: damian001 finds a video of the shooters aftermath. Warning, graphic contents.
4:01: We beat 9News on the video. The video is extremely graphic, and they aren't showing it with audio.
4:04: "No reason to believe there is a second gunman"
4:06: 10 died at the theater, 4 died at the hospital. 50 others had injuries.
4:13: 911 calls and police radio being played. They're talking about the tear gas.


AURORA MASSACRE: INCIDENT REPORT
Deaths Wounded Casualties
12 38 50
Hospital Victims Critical Released Dead
Children's 6 ??? ??? 1
Swedish 4 2 1 ???
University 21 9 ??? ???
Aurora Medical 15 4 4 ???
Denver Health 6 ??? 3 ???
Parker 2 ??? ??? ???
54 15 8 1
Please keep them in your thoughts.
Aurora PD info number: 303-627-3100; family support: call 303-873-5292 or 720-848-2626
Realtime Google coverage: here
JOIN: #theatreshooting on irc.freenode.net
CHECK OUT PART 3
I'm going to keep updating here. Ran out of room for the first selfpost. First one here.
Thanks for all the support, everyone!
5:32: /u/dr0ne_: Take with an entire container of salt. 4chan thread Also: "Shut that area down, we don't want anyone to trigger these devices"
5:33: Suspect's house confirmed: 17th & Peoria
5:35: FBI: Suspect indicates he has explosives at his house.
5:36: /u/jason-samfield: Tissue samples being collected for evidence.
5:40: /u/hgmanifold: Bomb Squad released.
5:43: /u/SimonHova: Twitter link of first (unconfirmed) victim. Her last tweet was 20 minutes before the start of the movie. source
5:44: /u/nilicule: All available SWAT to report to 17th and Peoria for meeting will be soon releasing a team.
Also, from /u/nilicule: The cinema where the attack took place is just under 20 miles from Columbine High School, where two students shot dead 13 people in 1999.
5:46: Hospital releasing numbers very soon.
5:47: Beardstone: Report of guy with handgun leaving in red car.
5:49: Good news. Death count revised from 14/15 to 12.
5:53: /u/hgmanifold + /u/CCFTW: Bomb squad was released from the vehicle at the theater. Second unit on scene at the apt. complex.
5:55: Tweets posted. Trending as #theatershooting.
5:59: /u/shankee: Tweet found from @RamCNN. Also, /u/hgmanifold: Fire Tower 8 will be entering "Hot Zone".
6:00: /u/Beardstone: "Tower is going in"
6:03: /u/nilicule: Witness account of shooting here
6:04: /u/derphurr: Possible picture of the shooter car: here - warning, blood
6:05: /u/shankee: GrrlScientist tweets about the shooting. Interesting.
6:06: FBI: Shooter had an assault rifle, two handguns, and teargas. The car had Tennessee plates. Shooter born in December '87. Shooter has given police a name, but needs to be confirmed. Apprehended outside the theater.
6:08: Adams, Aurora, and Denver county bomb squads are investigating his apartment.
6:09: /u/CCFTW + /u/OrgasmicWalrus: 2 federal officials say suspect in Colorado movie theater mass shooting is James Holmes, born December 13, 1987. @NBCNews - also, 9News is playing same dispatch audio again
6:10: Confirmed and cross-referenced by /u/hgmanifold, /u/shankee, /u/nilicule, /u/purmou, /u/mkyweriga
6:12: Only contact with Holmes was a traffic ticket. /u/derphurr: His apartment is across the street from Peoria Elementary School.
6:13: /u/disorderlee: Video of the police arriving at the apartment.
6:14: Reddit, this is one time you probably should try to dig up some personal information about this guy.
6:16: Go, Reddit, go! List of hospitals moved to the top.
6:19: /u/shankee: 14 minutes of posted police radio here
6:20: FBI agent beginning to enter 3rd floor window of the apartment. "Items of interest" found (/r/nilicule).
6:24: /u/solie: 3-month old "doing fine"
6:27: /u/hgmanifold: Electricity is NOT to be shut off, just in case of triggers. Also, (/u/shankee) Denver Health upgrades the critical patient to "fair condition"
6:29: /u/nilicule: Gas was shut off to the suspect's building.
6:31: /u/nilicule: Time releases an image gallery from outside the theatre.
6:33: /u/dynabetes finds a possible White Pages entry for James E. Holmes
6:35: /u/nilicule finds some Reddit photos from a victim. WARNING! GRAPHIC!
6:36: /u/CrayonOfDoom posts confirmation of another victim that died.
6:42: /u/disorderlee: Links to suspect's possible online profiles.
6:45: /u/nilicule: Suspect's mother tells @ABCNews that the police have the right man.
6:50: /u/hgmanifold: chatter: "If this thing does go, be prepared to be defensive because of the 'stuff' inside the building"
6:51: /u/nilicule: "Dark Knight Rises" Paris premiere CANCELLED.
6:52: /u/solle: 3-month-old discharged!
6:58: /u/shankee: Warner Bros. statement: "We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time."
7:00: Ignore the ldmaster profiles, please: unless we find something out, please don't post personal info. Thanks.
7:03: /u/hgmanifold: PD is requesting HazMat.
7:10: /u/fatmanbrigade: Huffington post timeline of how the shooting news spread
7:15: Bomb squad leaving the suspect's apartment.
7:16: /u/nilicule: CNN: As precaution, NYPD will be providing coverage at theaters where 'The Dark Knight Rises' is playing. source; /u/blerg: Guy who was in theater 9: here, and girl here
7:17: /u/nilicule: Badly placed ad running over the story on the Denver Post
7:23: /u/fatmanbrigade posts local live streams for ABC; CBS; NBC; FOX, thanks!
7:30: /u/shankee: CNN: No explosives found at suspect's apartment source
7:33: /u/shankee: "Medical student, quiet and easygoing." twitter
7:35: Press conference by Aurora Medical Center. Stats on their way.
7:36: /u/nilicule: One of those killed in Aurora is a 6-year-old girl, father tells KDVR-TV
7:40: /u/nilicule + /u/shankee: President Obama has cut his Florida campaign swing short because of the shooting.
7:45: Received Reddit Gold from an anonymous redditor. Thanks! You all are awesome!
7:51: /u/nilicule: NYPD Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly on increased security at New York City movie theaters following Colorado mass shooting: news story
7:53: /u/jonate: 9News tries to source claims from 9gag and realizes it's a troll
8:00: /u/shankee: Federal officials: Aurora gunman propped open rear door of theater, put on gear, threw tear gas, and began shooting. source
8:05: /u/faraya: Witness is saying someone received a phone call, went to Exit door and held it open with his foot. After this the shooter came in. 711:00:00 mark on 9News
8:12: Colorado Governor Hickenlooper on Aurora mass shooting: here
8:15: Try not to pursue people named James Holmes on Facebook.
8:17: Barack Obama calls mayor of Aurora. He will speak on the incident from Florida. Washington is hugely involved.
8:20: /u/shankee: Buckets of ammo found in the apartment.
8:24: /u/nilicule: We do not believe at this point there was an apparent nexis [sic] to terrorism," White House spokesman Jay Carney says.
8:28: /u/nilicule: The U.S. Army, concerned over speculation that the shooter might have been a veteran — and eager to stifle the meme of the psychotic veteran before it spread — felt compelled to email that a database check of the suspect resulted in "no evidence suggest[ing] this individual served in the Army." via Wired
8:33: NBC interviews: here and here
8:36: /u/nilicule: Huffington Post profile of James Holmes
Ran out of room for this selfpost as well. Continued here.


AURORA MASSACRE: INCIDENT REPORT
Deaths Wounded Casualties
12 38 50
Hospital Victims Critical Released Dead
Children's 6 ??? ??? 1
Swedish 4 2 1 ???
University 23 9 ??? ???
Aurora Medical 15 4 4 ???
Denver Health 6 ??? 3 ???
Parker 2 ??? ??? ???
56 15 8 1
Please keep them in your thoughts.
Aurora PD info number: 303-627-3100; family support: call 303-873-5292 or 720-848-2626
Realtime Google coverage: here
JOIN: #theatreshooting on irc.freenode.net
I'm going to keep updating here. Ran out of room for the first and second selfposts. First one here; second here.
Thanks for all the support, everyone!
8:40: /u/nilicule: Media speculation about the shooting.
8:42: 3 more months of anonymous Reddit Gold! Thanks, guys!
8:44: /u/Deus_Viator: Blood banks are looking for O- and platelet donors.
8:45: /u/nilicule: Apartment of Aurora shooting suspect is booby-trapped with flammable or explosive material, Aurora police say
8:50: President Obama is addressing the nation. Audio of his comments already uploaded here (/u/tenuto). Transcript here (/u/apeudire)
8:53: /u/nilicule: 5 buildings evacuated around the site.
8:58: /u/nilicule: Explosives appear 'very sophisticated' and police could be at scene 'for hours or days,' Aurora police chief says
9:00: /u/Deus_Viator: Hazmat team has arrived at the suspect's residence.
9:03: Wasting a little time. More Reddit Gold. Thanks, guys.
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9:10: University of Colo. Med School says shooting suspect was student there but withdrew last month.

[Grizzly]

Sorry miles, musta missed your link, I had to many tabs opened and read to many articles to remember what I read when, or where maybe that's where I got that from in thr first place and just spaced it out.. anyway, sorry.

However, the following is where I got the pink sandals and explains the blood trail...

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... the_blood/

be sure to examine the links and pictures as a time line, too...

[ninakat]

Most school ID photos are done with the work of cheap webcams (ours are). Same goes for most small municipal police mugshots - the technology is a least very similar. I know that my (albeit very pretty) roman-nosed ex had a visceral reaction to being photographed with a fisheye lens, on the extreme end of wide-angle, but was vain and okay with any other kind of photography because of the only subtle distortions. I don't think that either of these are wide-angle, nor is it likely for either institution to use a wide-angle for their purposes. His nose is also pretty average so shouldn't register that much variation either way.

I spent my teenage summers doing portraiture at an amusement park. Not cheesy caricature - I had an Evan Hecox-ish, expressive woodcut style of realism in my work. Between that job, art school, and regular work, I've had thousands and thousands of people sit for me. I've spent countless hours studying faces, and one would really have to contort a lot of facial muscles to cause that much of a difference in nose between those two photos. He's just simply not mugging that much.

I think this is far enough off topic because it should be near irrelevant whether he's had a nose job or not, but...I'm pretty sure he's had a nose job.

Thanks for that. You're probably right. Come to think of it, there's a certain Michael Jackson nose-ness to it.

[elfismiles]

No problemo Grizzly. Thanks for the link.

From it this ...

Actually combining those images of the evidence with the audio from the police radios, you can deduce EXACTLY what happened.

Here's a Map: http://i.imgur.com/TjCos.jpg

and heres a recording from the Police Radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8bKnQlL ... re=related

we know he exited through the rear and walked between his Vehicle and what looks like a dumpster at point B. he removes most of his heavy gear as seen here: http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/14/21/61/32 ... 28x471.jpg

he is spotted removing his armor by police approaching from POINT A (on my image) in the above youtube video at 4:45. the officer sounds truly haunted by what he just saw and requests a marked car SABLE SIDE, suspect in a gas mask. this means Holmes turned and ran past his car toward Sable. Luckily the Police Commissioner was prepared at POINT C.

they met on the corner and Holmes drops his Gas Mask along with everything else. it is at this point when holmes claims to be the joker as the Police Commissioner reports finding Holmes in the Parking Lot carrying the Gas Mask.

at 5:00 you hear one officer ask "Is that the dude in the white car?" he doesn't mean a person is in the car, he's merely asking "Is that white car the shooter's?" because it was the only car parked back there so conveniently. it seems that Holmes was walked back to POINT B, where police had gathered to enter the theater/investigate the car, and place him under arrest as at 5:21 an officer witnesses the arrest from afar and says "Hold the air. Cars where that white car... is that a suspect?". you hear another officer say YES and announce what he finds in the car at 5:27 (Obviously from POINT B). "We've got rifles, gas masks, he's detained... and now we got an open door going into the theater." then he says "Hold that position, hold your suspect" and Holmes is placed in the back of a police car.

Sorry miles, musta missed your link, I had to many tabs opened and read to many articles to remember what I read when, or where maybe that's where I got that from in thr first place and just spaced it out.. anyway, sorry.

However, the following is where I got the pink sandals and explains the blood trail...

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... the_blood/

be sure to examine the links and pictures as a time line, too...

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Luckily the Police Commissioner was prepared at POINT C. they met on the corner and Holmes drops his Gas Mask along with everything else. it is at this point when holmes claims to be the joker as the Police Commissioner reports finding Holmes in the Parking Lot carrying the Gas Mask.

Ah, thanks for that. So there appear to be (at least according to that link) police witnesses who say they actually saw Holmes removing his gear and gasmask.

[solace]

But a jail employee has claimed that the 12-minute catatonic appearance was an act, not the result of any drugs.

'We don’t just hand out meds,' the Arapahoe County Detention Center worker told the New York Daily News. 'It just doesn’t work like that. If he was acting sleepy, he was faking it.'....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z21eUv8jT0

^^I almost put that one on the list of alternate non-obvious explanations for what looks like obvious heavy medication, just on the grounds that it's amazing how difficult it is to remember that it's always a possibility. (Even when no clear motive for faking it is immediately apparent, I mean.) But it has unpleasant moral implications that I didn't intend, I don't have any particular reason to think it's true, and everybody thinks I'm just making shit up in order to shill for pharma anyway.

So I didn't. It is a possibility, though.

"Jail employee," could be the cook for all we know; no jail employee is likely to be sympathetic towards the guy so "faking it," needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I can't speak for Aurora but I've been in court a few(actually, too many) and I've seen plenty of guys on various initial remands who look like that. Strung out, messed up, drugged, who knows. The fact that he is spitting at guards suggests to me that he is not drugged; they would drug him if they could to stop that. High profile case like this, they are not likely to drug him until they are sure it won't screw anything up.

I have also seen that "look," on the faces of two close relatives who had schizophrenic breaks in their twenties, fwiw. Not suggesting you can tell by the "look," though. Could he be faking it? Sure. Regardless, the guy is one messed up dude.

[Aurataur]

Anybody notice yet that these are two different people?



I thought it right away, the red-haired version didn't look anything like the other picture I'd seen, but I didn't have them to directly compare them, and I honestly didn't think anyone would make THAT big and obvious a mistake, so I sorta blew it off. I remembered mainly the eye color and the expression being radically different. And I've seen people who are addicts look very very different when they're using. And the red-haired version is very obviously on some heavy meds of some kind. God only knows what.

But now that someone has put this picture out, I'm like gob-smacking myself for not doing a direct comparison earlier.

I mean, c'mon. It's either a similar but different person OR he got a nose job. So which is it?

Try this experiment and I think you will find that those photographs are indeed of the same person, no nose job necessary. Go to a mirror. Look into the mirror with a straight face or a slight frown. Notice your nose. Now smile. If your results are anything like mine, your nose will look much wider than it actually is.

[DrVolin]

I think that a combination of lense (short vs long), lighting, processing (aspect ratio and contrast) and expression is enough to account for the differences.

[seemslikeadream]

UPDATE 2-Accused Colorado gunman sent notebook to psychiatrist-report

By Chris Francescani and Keith Coffman

AURORA, Colo. July 25 (Reuters) - The man accused in the movie house massacre at a Denver-area screening of the new "Batman" film mailed a notebook detailing his plans to a psychiatrist at his university before the attack, Fox News reported on Wednesday, as the first funeral was held for one of the 12 people killed.

The package allegedly sent by 24-year-old James Eagan Holmes remained unopened in a mailroom at the University of Colorado, for as long as a week before its discovery on Monday, FoxNews.com reported, citing a law enforcement source.

Reuters could not immediately verify the report. Messages left with police in Aurora and other law enforcement officials involved in the case were not immediately returned.

A spokesman for the FBI's Denver office said the bureau could not speak about any aspect of the investigation because the judge in the case had issued a protective order on Tuesday that strictly limits what attorneys, law enforcement and court staff can say publicly about the case.

The Fox News report said police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after a psychiatrist who is a professor at the school reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect.

Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another parcel sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes' name in the return address, the source told Fox News.

After obtaining a search warrant, police took the package away and discovered its contents.

DRAWINGS, ILLUSTRATIONS

Fox News quoted its source saying: "Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people. There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre."

Images in the notebook included drawings of stick-figures shooting at other stick figures, the FoxNews.com report said.

Fox News did not identify the psychiatrist. Holmes was a doctoral student in neuroscience at the Anschutz campus until filing paperwork to drop out in June.

University spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery declined to comment on the report, also citing Arapahoe County District Judge William Sylvester's gag order.

Montgomery said that, generally, all mail received by the university was sent to the Anschutz campus on the day it was received but packages were not logged or tracked unless a signature was required by the U.S. Postal Service.

Police say Holmes, wearing tactical body armor and a gas mask and toting three firearms, opened fire on a crowded midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in the Denver suburb of Aurora, killing 12 people and wounding 58 others.

Holmes, who was arrested behind the theater immediately after the attack, made his first appearance in court on Monday, appearing sleepy and disoriented. Authorities plan to formally charge him on July 30.

Also on Wednesday, hundreds gathered at the nondenominational Pathways Church in Denver for the first funeral for a victim of the July 20 massacre.

'HER LAST DANCE WITH HER DAD'

Gordon Cowden, at 51 the oldest victim of the shooting, was a real estate appraiser who had taken his teenage daughters to the movie theater where he was killed. His daughters escaped unharmed.

An excerpt from the funeral program attributed to his daughter Brooke read: "I will never forget that in such disorientation and confusion of that night what was certain were your yells, declarations of 'I love you' to both of us. Forever, with love, Brooke."

Joyce Zounis, who knew Cowden through a single parents group at her Aurora church, said Brooke Cowden gave an emotional speech during the service in which she recounted dancing with her father at an outdoor concert in June.

"Little did she know, this would be her last dance with her dad," Zounis, 50, said.

Doug Newman, a friend of Cowden, said the grief inside the church was "pretty intense."

"I'm in absolute shock," Newman said. ""I haven't been myself for a few days."

Services for Cowden came as 20 of those injured in the shooting remained hospitalized, seven in critical condition.

Judge Sylvester ruled on Tuesday that no cameras would be allowed in the courtroom when Holmes is charged next Monday. Holmes' initial appearance on Monday was televised.

Authorities have not offered a motive for the shooting spree. Police said Holmes, a former neuroscience student, left his 800-square-foot (75-square-metre) apartment booby-trapped with explosives that authorities said could have destroyed the entire complex.

Local and state bomb experts conducted a controlled demolition over the weekend. The building remains closed and police have not said when residents will be allowed to return.

Holmes, who authorities say dyed his hair red and told them he was The Joker in reference to Batman's comic-book nemesis, was being held in solitary confinement to protect him from other prisoners.

The shooting rampage has renewed debate in the United States about gun control. At the same time, Colorado authorities said on Tuesday that applications in the state for background checks to buy firearms surged in the aftermath of the shooting.