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Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:05 am

So, earlier I was checking out the Denver news and ran across this photo and story about a tornado at altitude. Supposedly the second highest in altitude ever recorded.

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While the storm report doesn't hint at this, if the 12,500 foot elevation stands, I believe that the tornado will go down in the record books as the highest known elevation tornado in the U.S. The previous highest elevation tornado took place at Rockwell Pass, California on July 7, 2004. The elevation of the pass is 11,600 feet, and it is estimated that the base of the tornado was at approximately 12,000 feet.

If the 12,500 foot elevation of yesterday's Mt. Evans tornado stands, then it should take the record. I'm awaiting "official" comment from the National Weather Service (NWS) in Boulder, and will post that as soon as it becomes available.

***Update 7/29/12, 5pm: The NWS in Boulder has not issued a revised or updated storm report or "public information statement" on the tornado, however a recent posting on their facebook page states that they used the photographer's position and extrapolated via Google Earth that the elevation of the base of the tornado was approximately 11,900 feet. This would make it 100 feet short of the old record referenced above. So, at the moment, the Rockwell Pass tornado record stands.

I have some personal reservations about a 100 foot difference being calculated via Google Earth, but "it is what it is..." I suppose. I don't know exactly how the Rockwell Pass elevation was calculated back in 2004, as the available documentation states that they "estimated that the base of the tornado was at approximately 12,000 feet" so I think its safe to say both of these tornadoes were very, very close to one another insofar as elevation is concerned.


http://originalweatherblog.blogspot.com ... erday.html

Then I log onto Seattletimes.com and see this within moments. . .

Cloud forms over Rainier during cycling rally

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Riders from the 29th annual RAMROD (Ride Around Mount Rainier in One Day) cyclist rally take a break and pose for pictures in front of the mountain, crowned with a large lenticular cloud on Thursday July 26, 2012. A lenticular cloud forms at the peak when warm, moist air hits the surface, cooling into a cloud as it rises upward towards the summit. Although it appears to be stationery, a lenticular formation is a signal of steady air flow but, as seen here, only cold enough around the top of the mountain to appear as a cloud. Sometimes it means rain the following day, sometimes it's a signal of cooling temperatures. This view is from Inspiration Point, the highest point of the ride at 4,850 feet elevation and a big payoff for riders after making it through the first 75 miles. The RAMROD is organized each year by the Redmond Cycling Club. For more information, visit their website.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... rally.html
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Elvis » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:03 am




A friend has a great ball lightening story. It was a hot, clear day in an isolated, desert-y part of Montana. He and a crew were doing some kind of work on a hillside.

Along came ONE small, dark cloud in the sky, which the crew noted as unusual if not downright anomalous. Next thing, a brilliant, fiery, crackling sphere about the size of a bowling ball floated down into their midst, slowly buzzing the ground, crackling and sizzling, going from one man to another. Then, I think, it "exploded" with a bang and disappeared.

Naturally, I think "Aliens" and quizzed him about the cloud and the behavior of the sphere, possible missing time etc. They say mother ships hide in clouds. :scared:

I can ask him about details if anyone has questions.

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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:25 am

I always found the phenomenon of the "brocken spectre" quite interesting, and would really like to see one.

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Imagine how terrifying/awe-inspiring these would have been in the times before people knew the science behind them.

Carl Jung in "Memories, Dreams, Reflections" wrote:

...I had a dream which both frightened and encouraged me. It was night in some unknown place, and I was making slow and painful headway against a mighty wind. Dense fog was flying along everywhere. I had my hands cupped around a tiny light which threatened to go out at any moment... Suddenly I had the feeling that something was coming up behind me. I looked back, and saw a gigantic black figure following me... When I awoke I realized at once that the figure was a "specter of the Brocken," my own shadow on the swirling mists, brought into being by the little light I was carrying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken_spectre


Very cool pictures there 82_28.

I also like "the attraction of mountains" even though it is just an obvious consequence of gravity.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:42 am

...

Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there.






The music dance and sing
They make the children really ring

I spend the day your way
Call it morning driving thru the sound and in and out the valley

In and around the lake
Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there
One mile over we'll be there and we'll see you
Ten true summers we'll be there and laughing too
Twenty four before my love you'll see I'll be there with you

I will remember you..

Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down on the land
Catching the swirling wind the sailor sees the rim of the land
The eagle's dancing wings create as weather spins out of hand

Go closer hold the land feel partly no more than grains of sand
We stand to lose all time a thousand answers by in our hand
Next to your deeper fears we stand surrounded by a million years.


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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:32 pm

wtf, didn't we have a thread about the Pied Piper of Hamelin here just a year or two ago? I don't know where else on the web I would have found such a thorough exploration of the subject as I remember.

From Lily:
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…Another version relates that the Pied Piper led the children into following him to the top of Koppelberg Hill, where he took them to a beautiful land and had his wicked way,[1] or a place called Koppenberg Mountain.[2] This version states that the Piper returned the children after payment, or that he returned the children after the villagers paid several times the original amount of gold.

History
The earliest mention of the story seems to have been on a stained glass window placed in the Church of Hamelin c. 1300. The window was described in several accounts between the 14th century and the 17th century.[citation needed] It was destroyed in 1660. Based on the surviving descriptions, a modern reconstruction of the window has been created by Hans Dobbertin (historian). It features the colorful figure of the Pied Piper and several figures of children dressed in white.

This window is generally considered to have been created in memory of a tragic historical event for the town. Also, Hamelin town records start with this event. The earliest written record is from the town chronicles in an entry from 1384 which states:
It is 100 years since our children left.[3]

Although research has been conducted for centuries, no explanation for the historical event is agreed upon. In any case, the rats were first added to the story in a version from c. 1559 and are absent from earlier accounts.…


Though I thought I read that the children were taken into a mountain.
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(Listening to Wendy & Bonnie's "The Paisley Window Paine" while reading about the Pied Piper of Hamelin takes your head into a strange space)
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:26 pm

Hammer of Los wrote:...

Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there.






The music dance and sing
They make the children really ring

I spend the day your way
Call it morning driving thru the sound and in and out the valley

In and around the lake
Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there
One mile over we'll be there and we'll see you
Ten true summers we'll be there and laughing too
Twenty four before my love you'll see I'll be there with you

I will remember you..

Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down on the land
Catching the swirling wind the sailor sees the rim of the land
The eagle's dancing wings create as weather spins out of hand

Go closer hold the land feel partly no more than grains of sand
We stand to lose all time a thousand answers by in our hand
Next to your deeper fears we stand surrounded by a million years.


...

And I always thought it was "Marvels came out of the sky",
I think I like mountains better.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:59 pm

Benefits of Awe Therapy
http://www.united-academics.org/magazine/24176/benefits-of-awe-therapy/

When was the last time you experienced something that left you with a profound sense of awe? You know, that feeling of being overwhelmed in such a good way because something is so breath taking or wonderful. Hopefully the answer to this question is very recently, because new research indicates that having more and regular awe-inspiring experiences is actually very good for your physical and mental health.

Researchers Melanie Rudd of Stanford University, Kathleen D. Vohs at the University of Minnesota, and Jennifer Aaker of Stanford University, conducted a series of experiments into how people experience awe and found numerous benefits. Chief among them, a greater feeling of satisfaction with life as compared to those who had not felt awe. There was also a greater desire to take time to help others and a general feeling that there is time to do things instead of the typical “there is no time” stress so many experience these days.

Previous studies have reached related conclusions, for example – lower blood pressure, less heart conditions, and other physical benefits have also been linked to more frequent awe experiences.

But don’t think this means we all have to go to Machu Picchu or the Grand Canyon in order to improve our health (though it would be nice). The team says that according to their research, “a trip down memory lane, brief story, or even a 60-second commercial” can also elicit feelings of awe. So if you have the right dinner parties or simply a good conversation partner, you can still get the awe you need to live better.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Nordic » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:16 am

A 60 second commercial? What kind of ghastly fucktard wrote that crapola? I have a reverse sense of awe after reading that.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:12 am

Nordic wrote:A 60 second commercial? What kind of ghastly fucktard wrote that crapola? I have a reverse sense of awe after reading that.

You really hate the tee vee dont you Nordic?
I dont know, I have seen some awesome commercials, but that certainly wasn't the point.

Remember this?-


Maybe not the best choice for awe inspiring, but it is a trip down memory lane, it is/was profound, and its 60 seconds!
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:25 am

Luther Blissett wrote:wtf, didn't we have a thread about the Pied Piper of Hamelin here just a year or two ago? I don't know where else on the web I would have found such a thorough exploration of the subject as I remember.

From Lily:
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Another version relates that the Pied Piper led the children into following him to the top of Koppelberg Hill, where he took them to a beautiful land and had his wicked way,[1] or a place called Koppenberg Mountain.[2] This version states that the Piper returned the children after payment, or that he returned the children after the villagers paid several times the original amount of gold.

History
The earliest mention of the story seems to have been on a stained glass window placed in the Church of Hamelin c. 1300. The window was described in several accounts between the 14th century and the 17th century.[citation needed] It was destroyed in 1660. Based on the surviving descriptions, a modern reconstruction of the window has been created by Hans Dobbertin (historian). It features the colorful figure of the Pied Piper and several figures of children dressed in white.

This window is generally considered to have been created in memory of a tragic historical event for the town. Also, Hamelin town records start with this event. The earliest written record is from the town chronicles in an entry from 1384 which states:
It is 100 years since our children left.[3]

Although research has been conducted for centuries, no explanation for the historical event is agreed upon. In any case, the rats were first added to the story in a version from c. 1559 and are absent from earlier accounts.…


Though I thought I read that the children were taken into a mountain.
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(Listening to Wendy & Bonnie's "The Paisley Window Paine" while reading about the Pied Piper of Hamelin takes your head into a strange space)


Could the story have stemmed from a sort of half-remembered version of the Children's Crusades in 1212? The details are similar. A mysterious figure (the shepherd-boy Nicholas) turns up in the town, preaching and playing his pipe, then leading the children away up (or into) a mountainous region, in his case the Alps. A lot of the children from his doomed Crusade did eventually return to their homes, though many died, or stayed wherever they ended up, or were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%2 ... raditional

Maybe Hamelin lost an unusually high proportion of it's youth to this expedition in comparison to other towns? 1300 is just about 100 years after the events of 1212.

There are definitely versions of the Pied Piper story where the children were taken into the mountain, much in the way that faeries were said to steal babies and take them into faery hills to raise as their own, replacing the child in the home with a changeling.

The faeries, despite their mischievous nature, were also known as the People of Peace or Quietness, the Good People, the People of the Hollow Hills, the Shining Ones, and seem to have had a special liking for pipers who were inveigled inside their hills to perform at faery weddings.
http://www.incallander.co.uk/faeries.htm


Just thinking aloud here.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:52 am

Burnt Hill wrote:Remember this?-



The first time I saw a still from the end of that advert, I thought it was Leonard Cohen who was dressed as the indian. :lol:

Wasn't really sure what to make of it, just seeing the image out of context of the tear running down his cheek. Now I know what it was all about.
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:25 am

...

The faeries, despite their mischievous nature, were also known as the People of Peace or Quietness, the Good People, the People of the Hollow Hills, the Shining Ones, and seem to have had a special liking for pipers who were inveigled inside their hills to perform at faery weddings.


I liked that.

I can play a mean air flute.

Even standing on one leg.

And I can shake a tambourine.

But I'm still waiting for the faery wedding.

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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Saurian Tail » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:50 am

Burnt Hill wrote:Remember this?-


Maybe not the best choice for awe inspiring, but it is a trip down memory lane, it is/was profound, and its 60 seconds!

Sorry to burst bubbles, but this ad might be the greatest piece of propaganda ever. The ad transfers the guilt for litter from the producer to the consumer. At the time, there was a shift from reusable to single use containers. Several states were seeking to ban single use containers ... correctly recognizing that this would result in heaps of trash. Keep America Beautiful, The Ad Council, and the Marsteller ad agency teamed up to change the perception of who was at fault. It was not industry's desire to move product, it was the fault of the consumer throwing shit out their car windows. At the same time Keep America Beautiful was running this iconic ad, they were opposing legislation requiring reusable containers.

The ad is the perfect half-truth that hides what was really going on behind the scenes.

See here:

The Crying Indian
How an environmental icon helped sell cans -- and sell out environmentalism

BY GINGER STRAND

Published in the November/December 2008 issue of Orion magazine

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/ ... icle/3642/
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 am

Even if KAB is a front, the ad still inspired a generation of environmentalists.

From the article Saurian Tail linked-

I watch the crying Indian again on YouTube. Here’s the genius of it: the ad appeals to a vague feeling of national guilt that—following in a long iconic tradition—is associated with Native Americans. What we’ve done to this land is not right, and the Indians know it, because we did it to them, too. As the Indian contemplates the trashed landscape and car-choked freeway, a dark possibility opens up: our way of life is destructive. The cars, the pollution, the factories: it’s not, despite what we’ve been told, the best of all possible worlds. Something must change. And then that bag of trash arcs out the window and explodes like a revelation at his feet.


Again though, the ad itself is not the point. No bubbles burst. The point was that you can find inspiration in something as seemingly insignificant as an advertisement.
Unfortunate as it may be if thats the only place you are looking!

Excellent article though ST, thank you for posting it. :sun:
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Re: Mountainy Things That Are Strange

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:15 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Could the story have stemmed from a sort of half-remembered version of the Children's Crusades in 1212? The details are similar. A mysterious figure (the shepherd-boy Nicholas) turns up in the town, preaching and playing his pipe, then leading the children away up (or into) a mountainous region, in his case the Alps. A lot of the children from his doomed Crusade did eventually return to their homes, though many died, or stayed wherever they ended up, or were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%2 ... raditional

Maybe Hamelin lost an unusually high proportion of it's youth to this expedition in comparison to other towns? 1300 is just about 100 years after the events of 1212.

There are definitely versions of the Pied Piper story where the children were taken into the mountain, much in the way that faeries were said to steal babies and take them into faery hills to raise as their own, replacing the child in the home with a changeling.

The faeries, despite their mischievous nature, were also known as the People of Peace or Quietness, the Good People, the People of the Hollow Hills, the Shining Ones, and seem to have had a special liking for pipers who were inveigled inside their hills to perform at faery weddings.
http://www.incallander.co.uk/faeries.htm


Just thinking aloud here.


See, this is the exact kind of enriching, data-giving conversation I remember. I hadn't known the original story behind the Pied Piper or that the rats were a later addition.

The conversation wove Nazi mythology and Hitler's pursuit of magickal objects and places to Antarctica and Koppelberg. The ideas about Hitler seemed to be a loose end, like he was searching for eternal babies or secret Piping tech.
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