Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[justdrew]

well, it's not a stretch to think that while they may indeed suspect one or more accomplices, pretending they don't think so would be the best way to work toward catching them.

I mean it seems almost sure there had to be at least one other person.

the long video linked above:

states incorrectly that, among other subjects, he was studying "time travel" and uses the work on "temporal illusions" to back that up. That's a total misunderstanding of what the "temporal illusions" he was studying was about.

states that members of the FBI or CIA were handling him and planting evidence ahead of time

It takes as a given obvious fact the the gubamint WANTS to take all guns, even hunting rifles. and that the gubamint and media think self-defense is evil (courtesy of alex johnstown nightly news)

repeats sorcha fail disinfo

plays the whole batman trailer, cause it's SOOOOO significan't

and why all the psudo-subliminal Temple ov Psychick Youth logos?

does this Metalhead who made this video not realize he's attempting to engage in a sort of the mind control he's "warning" about? All these damn videos...

[compared2what?]

^^Fine.



^^ Simply untrue.

Or so I thought, until I got to the part of the voice-over @ approximately 2:10 that says on July 20, 2012 "70 people were shot or wounded in the deadliest mass shooting in American history," at which point I had to upgrade it to "Too untrue and careless to trust on faith."

Because it's not just that the very same movie has already (basically wrongly) accused the media of saying as much; or that it's not nearly the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history; or that it's not nearly the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history to have occurred in the last five years (plus three months and a few days; small matters, damn them; Virginia Tech = almost three times deadlier, occurred 4/16/07) and received massive media play; it's not even the deadliest mass shooting that occurred in Colorado in recent memory to have come up in the last two minutes.

Columbine was one death deadlier.

It wouldn't be too harsh to wonder whether that movie might include careless untruths that are a little more substantive, too, is what I'm saying.

[2012 Countdown]

I'm just posting again as I would like to say I have no attachment to the video I'd posted. I tried to post it in a classical disinterested manner, and it is being passed around by the 'faithful'. I am in no position to pick this apart as I have not been following the situation closely, and do not have command of facts about the situation.
All too often, and this is no different by you people's comments on it, it is found many folks' 'want to believe' inclination forces them to fit things that are not true, or they're talking out of their ass. I guess what I'm saying is rip it up at will, or ignore it at will. I just came across it and this is what some are playing with. Maybe its just more noise, maybe there are thing in it that are worth considering.

In related news:
Irish heroine of Batman shooting spree drowns
Thursday August 16 2012

US president Barack Obama and his wife Michelle paid tribute to Jenny and her colleagues who are credited with saving the lives of some of those injured in the massacre.
PHD student James Holmes has been charged in relation to the shootings which left 12 people dead.
However, her family has now been plunged into a sense of grief of their own. Jenny was out swimming in a lake close to her home when she is believed to have drowned.
Her husband Greg Pinson and five-year-old son Jack are struggling to come to terms with the loss of a "wonderful mother".
http://www.herald.ie/news/irish-heroine ... 01886.html

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Scopolamine, the "zombie drug" used on astronauts:
Scopolamine: In order to avoid blasting forth some low-gravity vomit, astronauts sometimes turn to ScopeDex, a speedy cocktail of Scopolamine and Dexedrine to combat nausea. According to Xeni Jardin at BoingBoing, good old Scopolamine is also known as "devil's breath" in Colombia, where criminals use it to turn unsuspecting victims into temporary zombie slaves. The CIA even experimented with the stuff as a truth serum in the ‘60s. Perhaps the lesson here is to use zombie mind-control drugs responsibly while in orbit.
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http://news.discovery.com/space/what-dr ... ts-on.html

[Hunter]

Let me ask you this (or anyone for that matter) I noticed you (CLK) mentioned you didnt really believe in Manchurian Candidates and I am not entirely sure I do either, at least in the popular, hollywood sense of it. So, if these people are not mind controlled Manchurians as such, how would whoever is behind this get them to commit these crimes? I guess if they were to find a mentally ill person it wouldnt take too much to set them up as a patsy or even a shooter, someone like Holmes for example, but I am just having a hard time understanding how this would work especially for the ones who dont kill themselves as it cannot be easy to get someone to do this knowing they will then spend the rest of their lives in prison and also they would seem to pose a risk to their handlers if they were to talk later.

Great questions, Al- let me address them as best I can.

First of all, let's remember where the whole Manchurian Candidate explanation comes from and who trots it out after every mass shooting- it comes from the radical right, specifically the militant wing of the gun lobby. It started with calls for gun control following the assassination of RFK in 1968. So, people need to be more discerning about where this propaganda comes from and whose agenda they are furthering by endorsing it. If you're a radical rightist, fine- just be upfront about it.

Secondly, where does it come from, the motivation to commit these crimes? How about a massive infrastructure of incendiary political propaganda spouting apocalyptic scare stories to marginal personalities already indoctrinated their entire lives in Fundamentalist churches? How about a four-decade strong program of conditioning to identify partisan political ends with "God's Will", bolstered by tens of thousands of radio stations and TV channels and "churches" and millions of websites?

This isn't new technology- this are the same techniques perfected by the Assassins back in the Middle Ages. Dying for the "glory of God" is a lot better than living as some loser in a trailer park. The idea of a patsy is connected to political hits- establishing plausible deniability a la Oswald. In these cases looking for patsies seems like a copout to me.

Laughner won't get the chair and will probably thrive in prison. Holmes may well plead insanity, end up in a "hospital" where he'll be quietly transferred to some facility where he can continue with his work once he's been pumped full of drugs.

So, I ask, how do you see this type of thing playing out, how do they recruit and convince people to do these are in fact manufactured events and how do they later prevent those people from talking an fingering their handlers/programmers?

I have no idea, really. I just see patterns that are hard to deny and that the so-called alternative media is either too chickenshit or too compromised to point out. It's possible that the closer we get to the election I think we'll see some of this taken on a more explicitly racial angle.

One final question for you, CLK, I know you have said on your blog that you try and not draw conclusions until you have all the facts at your disposal, but given what you do have at the moment do you think Holmes was the shooter or was he just a patsy covering for another shooter or shooters who escaped in the midst of all the chaos afterwards? Personally I think Holmes was involved in some neuroscience experiments at that school (we know the family who supports that program financially has shady ties for example) and he was somehow turned in to a patsy due to this. Its like the Unabomber, we know he was used in mind control experiments while in college at Harvard and many researches now believe this played a big role in what he became.

Well, again- this is all conjecture on my part. Cast your deepest suspicion on anyone who claims to speak authoritatively on these cases.

Holmes might have been the fall guy (a la Sirhan), but I don't know if I buy the patsy angle. Two different functions here. A fall guy is a participant who is set up to take all the heat while the co-conspirators skate. But as I said, people don't realize that Neuroscience is bad news. It tends to attract marginal personalities and seems hellbent on scrambling everyone's circuits. So that might have been why he was targeted for recruitment for an op. The cryptofascists run and hide when you point out the Anschutz connection and No Braine Mustaine is still dribbling out the already debunked lie about the UN gun bill.

But at the same time I often wonder if conspiracy is a more comforting alternative to the idea of a total nutcase with a lot of money and a genius IQ who gets the idea he needs to start killing a lot of people (gee, sounds like Christopher Nolan's Batman, no?). If there's a conspiracy, we can find those responsible and take them out. If Holmes is another Amy Bishop- which for me is still on the table- then we're really screwed. The other unemployed Jokers with millionaire's arsenals tend to militate against that possibility but it can't be discounted.

I grew up in the 70s when various intelligence agencies were using terrorist groups and "lone nuts" in Europe to achieve political aims. So I wouldn't be surprised if what we're seeing this summer is a repeat of that, with this Bubba Lee Nietzsche and his Chik-Fil-A bag as a bad red herring.

Thanks for all of that, CLK, I am aware it is all conjecture and nobody knows the truth, I was actually interested in just hearing what you and others believe about these matters as it is always interesting to hear others opinions on it. You did a fine job providing that for me.

I will comment a bit more when I get a break from work as I have a few things to add also. Good stuff.


I will add that the more I think about all of this with some of what you have to say, the more I think we are all being prepped for a civil right vs left war. I am not even close to being a doomsdayer who predicts these sorts of events all the time but it sure seems things are getting a little too crazy for comfort anymore.



One last edit: I heard on a radio show yesterday that Holmes was specifically studying BEHAVIORAL NEUROSCIENCE and not just Neuroscience itself, but how those circuits relate to psychological behavior, so that would even seem to be more potentially sinister in itself.

[Hunter]

I have another question I have always wondered about, I think there can be no doubt that the CIA actively recruits top college students from their respective fields and has been doing this for decades. My question is, how do you assume they identify those students, do you think the dept heads or professors recognize a students abilities and contact some spook handler and let them know to watch a particular kid or do they have other ways. Surely this is happening and if I have read right I think Facebook was originally created with CIA help and support to establish a database for such students in Ivy League institutions, possibly for the very purpose mentioned above.

[Hunter]

You know, I have been studying this type of stuff for years and years now (and I still have no answers BTW), I remember back in the early days of the internets there was a lot of good, honest and critical discussion of things like this, nobody really had an agenda it was just open and honest discussion of the world and what is going on around us, much like we see on CLK's blog and others, like Jeff's work. Then slowly you could see a shift take place, the infiltration of these small groups pocketed throughout the internets, shills started showing up and introducing these crazy and whacked out ideas about how Jews/Zionists/Israel is to blame for all the world's problems, the commies, the liberals (interestingly they rarely blame the "fascists", I wonder why?!), the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the reptiles, Nibiru, "Aussie Bloke", bohemian grove et al. This all came to a head with 9-11, Alex Jones, Rense, Makow (just to name a few) and the "truth" movement and all their whacked out ideas about the planes being holographs etc (though I admittedly do not believe the official narrative) and all of the good honest open discussion like we see today with CLK and others, slowly took a back seat to this crazy stuff and then you started to see feature films by Disney, Dan Brown etc, about this stuff and it became sort of cool and envogue to be "conspiracy theorist" and a whole cottage industry was built around it, books, DVDs etc, and it continued to get more and more whacked out by the day to the point now it is really hard to find good honest discussion about the world and what is going on around us, anymore. If you go back and really look you can see it all happening, I have to assume this was all part of a Cointelpro psy op to redirect the attention of those who tend to see patterns, like CLK talks about, and get them to focus more on the outrageous and preposterous. And, you know, we can see that it worked and worked quite well, now anyone who talks about these things is pretty much made out to be a complete kook who should be dismissed out of hand and made fun of "oh, youre one of those huh?"

Got to hand it to them, they really did a good job getting everyone to focus on the crazy and forget about the truth.


I know it has to be a thankless task that you have undertaken CLK, but I hope you can find it within yourself to keep plugging along and asking the tough questions, if for no reason than for posterity, perhaps in the future someone will recognize it all for what it is and can work to make the world a better place because that should be the point of it all, I dont just read this stuff for fun and games, although it has taken the life of a hobby over the years, I truly would like to find a way to bring an end to this madness and make the world better and safer for our kids and grandkids etc.

[CLK]

You know, I have been studying this type of stuff for years and years now (and I still have no answers BTW), I remember back in the early days of the internets there was a lot of good, honest and critical discussion of things like this, nobody really had an agenda it was just open and honest discussion of the world and what is going on around us, much like we see on CLK's blog and others, like Jeff's work. Then slowly you could see a shift take place, the infiltration of these small groups pocketed throughout the internets, shills started showing up and introducing these crazy and whacked out ideas about how Jews/Zionists/Israel is to blame for all the world's problems, the commies, the liberals (interestingly they rarely blame the "fascists", I wonder why?!), the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the reptiles, Nibiru, "Aussie Bloke", bohemian grove et al. This all came to a head with 9-11, Alex Jones, Rense, Makow (just to name a few) and the "truth" movement and all their whacked out ideas about the planes being holographs etc (though I admittedly do not believe the official narrative) and all of the good honest open discussion like we see today with CLK and others, slowly took a back seat to this crazy stuff and then you started to see feature films by Disney, Dan Brown etc, about this stuff and it became sort of cool and envogue to be "conspiracy theorist" and a whole cottage industry was built around it, books, DVDs etc, and it continued to get more and more whacked out by the day to the point now it is really hard to find good honest discussion about the world and what is going on around us, anymore. If you go back and really look you can see it all happening, I have to assume this was all part of a Cointelpro psy op to redirect the attention of those who tend to see patterns, like CLK talks about, and get them to focus more on the outrageous and preposterous. And, you know, we can see that it worked and worked quite well, now anyone who talks about these things is pretty much made out to be a complete kook who should be dismissed out of hand and made fun of "oh, youre one of those huh?"

Got to hand it to them, they really did a good job getting everyone to focus on the crazy and forget about the truth.


I know it has to be a thankless task that you have undertaken CLK, but I hope you can find it within yourself to keep plugging along and asking the tough questions, if for no reason than for posterity, perhaps in the future someone will recognize it all for what it is and can work to make the world a better place because that should be the point of it all, I dont just read this stuff for fun and games, although it has taken the life of a hobby over the years, I truly would like to find a way to bring an end to this madness and make the world better and safer for our kids and grandkids etc.

Cheers, Al, but I'm just one writer standing up against a billion-dollar industry, supported by some of the wealthiest and most powerful families in the world. I have no desire to be Danny Casalero'd. I can simply offer a competing theory based on the facts, but I can't fight 40-50 years of relentless propaganda if no one else is willing to take up the cudgel, even people who I know know better. As to the endgame I think this article might shed some light on what's going on, albeit unintentionally: http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/should_the_south_secede

You'll be hearing a lot about that in the days leading up to and following the Election. Let me just say that this is something I saw coming several years ago. http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2009/04/sci-fi-americas.html

Here's a sci-fi scenario for you: In 2015, the country is split into at two separate entities. The northern and coastal states are incorporated into a new federation with Canada, which is run on technocratic principles and gives rise to cloning farms, genetic engineering, cybernetics and mandatory, lifelong education.

Meanwhile the southern and western states are opened wide for multi-national corporations- relentless drilling, strip-mining, clear-cutting and factory farming have reduced millions of square miles into a moonscape. Unions, minimum wage and OSHA are completely dismantled in this new confederation, as are public education, health care, libraries and other New Deal legacies.

Something out of Firefly or Star Trek?

Maybe not- the shills are revving up the rubes as I write.

[Hunter]

You know, I have been studying this type of stuff for years and years now (and I still have no answers BTW), I remember back in the early days of the internets there was a lot of good, honest and critical discussion of things like this, nobody really had an agenda it was just open and honest discussion of the world and what is going on around us, much like we see on CLK's blog and others, like Jeff's work. Then slowly you could see a shift take place, the infiltration of these small groups pocketed throughout the internets, shills started showing up and introducing these crazy and whacked out ideas about how Jews/Zionists/Israel is to blame for all the world's problems, the commies, the liberals (interestingly they rarely blame the "fascists", I wonder why?!), the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the reptiles, Nibiru, "Aussie Bloke", bohemian grove et al. This all came to a head with 9-11, Alex Jones, Rense, Makow (just to name a few) and the "truth" movement and all their whacked out ideas about the planes being holographs etc (though I admittedly do not believe the official narrative) and all of the good honest open discussion like we see today with CLK and others, slowly took a back seat to this crazy stuff and then you started to see feature films by Disney, Dan Brown etc, about this stuff and it became sort of cool and envogue to be "conspiracy theorist" and a whole cottage industry was built around it, books, DVDs etc, and it continued to get more and more whacked out by the day to the point now it is really hard to find good honest discussion about the world and what is going on around us, anymore. If you go back and really look you can see it all happening, I have to assume this was all part of a Cointelpro psy op to redirect the attention of those who tend to see patterns, like CLK talks about, and get them to focus more on the outrageous and preposterous. And, you know, we can see that it worked and worked quite well, now anyone who talks about these things is pretty much made out to be a complete kook who should be dismissed out of hand and made fun of "oh, youre one of those huh?"

Got to hand it to them, they really did a good job getting everyone to focus on the crazy and forget about the truth.


I know it has to be a thankless task that you have undertaken CLK, but I hope you can find it within yourself to keep plugging along and asking the tough questions, if for no reason than for posterity, perhaps in the future someone will recognize it all for what it is and can work to make the world a better place because that should be the point of it all, I dont just read this stuff for fun and games, although it has taken the life of a hobby over the years, I truly would like to find a way to bring an end to this madness and make the world better and safer for our kids and grandkids etc.

Cheers, Al, but I'm just one writer standing up against a billion-dollar industry, supported by some of the wealthiest and most powerful families in the world. I have no desire to be Danny Casalero'd. I can simply offer a competing theory based on the facts, but I can't fight 40-50 years of relentless propaganda if no one else is willing to take up the cudgel, even people who I know know better. As to the endgame I think this article might shed some light on what's going on, albeit unintentionally: http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/should_the_south_secede

You'll be hearing a lot about that in the days leading up to and following the Election. Let me just say that this is something I saw coming several years ago. http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2009/04/sci-fi-americas.html

Here's a sci-fi scenario for you: In 2015, the country is split into at two separate entities. The northern and coastal states are incorporated into a new federation with Canada, which is run on technocratic principles and gives rise to cloning farms, genetic engineering, cybernetics and mandatory, lifelong education.

Meanwhile the southern and western states are opened wide for multi-national corporations- relentless drilling, strip-mining, clear-cutting and factory farming have reduced millions of square miles into a moonscape. Unions, minimum wage and OSHA are completely dismantled in this new confederation, as are public education, health care, libraries and other New Deal legacies.

Something out of Firefly or Star Trek?

Maybe not- the shills are revving up the rubes as I write.

Good stuff, that. I could see that happening and soon, and if Obama is re-elected, and I am sure he will be, we will definitely hear a lot about this.

I am a Mississippi boy and I love the South and the fighting independent spirit of the people and the land, but I couldnt stay there after college, the people, as good as most of them are, are terribly brainwashed by the Christian right and it is really heartbreaking that they have been duped so badly. But not all of them are that way, there are some very good, honest people in the South, they are friendly and hard working people who are sadly being exploited because they are generally so poor, by those in power. I can tell you, from my recent trips back home (I go several times a year) that there is a lot of talk, A LOT more than usual, about the South "rising again," and seceding from the Union and I get the feeling that this isnt just empty rhetoric, they mean it and intend to do it the first chance they get. I think they are just looking for a reason or a straw to break that camels back.


I am in Arizona now which is arguably the right wingnut capital of the world (even though I love it here) and I can tell you that the natives here are angry, very angry, and stockpiling guns and ammo hand over fist as they really believe that something bad is coming just over the horizon and they are gonna be ready when it comes. I get the feeling that if it doesnt come they will make it happen anyway one way or another and they are not going to very happy when Obama is re-elected.

[compared2what?]

All too often, and this is no different by you people's comments on it, it is found many folks' 'want to believe' inclination forces them to fit things that are not true, or they're talking out of their ass. I guess what I'm saying is rip it up at will, or ignore it at will. I just came across it and this is what some are playing with. Maybe its just more noise, maybe there are thing in it that are worth considering.

That's obviously fair and wise. FWIW, I also have no attachment to the concerns I raised that goes beyond the good-faith belief that they're worth pointing out.

Please keep posting unapologetically.

[Hunter]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread872493/pg1


There are some interesting comments at the link above, AboveTopSecret forum, about the Irish lady who just drowned after working with many of the survivors brought in to her hospital that night. Might want to take a look and see what you think.


One poster asks the interesting and obvious question:

How many witnesses, and those who had direct contact with the witnesses, that may know something that goes against the official story of the shooting, will disappear before the James Holmes trial begins?

I may be wrong but doesn't this make the second person to die that was involved in some way with the case?






This guy here is blogging about the woman and doing his own investigation wrt to her drowning death and also has some interesting insight!

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/n ... -46/19656/



Seems sort of unrelated IMO but a lot of folks are looking at the CT angle that she saw things or whatever and was silenced.

[compared2what?]

I get the feeling that if it doesnt come they will make it happen anyway one way or another and they are not going to very happy when Obama is re-elected.

^^There really aren't a whole lot of people who would be. But the same goes for Romney. That's what makes it an if-not-when scenario in both cases, I'd say.

[Hunter]

True C2W, but honestly those who hate Romney dont scare me in to thinking they will turn violent if he wins as much as those who hate Obama do, they, IMO, are primed and pumped and armed and ready to start their race war.

But your point is a good one.

[Luther Blissett]

I have another question I have always wondered about, I think there can be no doubt that the CIA actively recruits top college students from their respective fields and has been doing this for decades. My question is, how do you assume they identify those students, do you think the dept heads or professors recognize a students abilities and contact some spook handler and let them know to watch a particular kid or do they have other ways. Surely this is happening and if I have read right I think Facebook was originally created with CIA help and support to establish a database for such students in Ivy League institutions, possibly for the very purpose mentioned above.

Identifying recruits is done through systems of work study, career development centers, internships, co-ops, and of course the confluence of extracurricular programs, workshops, and fraternities. It's always a combination of ability, talent, willingness, and pliability. A big part about it is that the student usually has to pursue those outlets themselves. Professors don't really need to be involved in the defense / intel – student relationship. Some department heads have been compromised by defense relationships and others haven't.

And of course there is the matter of certain degree programs' natural tendency towards the right, like Business. Many Business degree departments are filled with close to 100% conservative / patriarchal / authoritarian / corporatist faculty.

[justdrew]

All too often, and this is no different by you people's comments on it, it is found many folks' 'want to believe' inclination forces them to fit things that are not true, or they're talking out of their ass. I guess what I'm saying is rip it up at will, or ignore it at will. I just came across it and this is what some are playing with. Maybe its just more noise, maybe there are thing in it that are worth considering.

That's obviously fair and wise. FWIW, I also have no attachment to the concerns I raised that goes beyond the good-faith belief that they're worth pointing out.

Please keep posting unapologetically.

and I'd also like to say thanks for bringing it, otherwise there'd have been no opportunity to critique it. I didn't assume you meant to vouch for it or anything.

I think we've got to think about countering some of the bad info out there. Remember the first word of the site

[Project Willow]

Let me ask you this (or anyone for that matter) I noticed you (CLK) mentioned you didnt really believe in Manchurian Candidates and I am not entirely sure I do either, at least in the popular, hollywood sense of it. So, if these people are not mind controlled Manchurians as such, how would whoever is behind this get them to commit these crimes? I guess if they were to find a mentally ill person it wouldnt take too much to set them up as a patsy or even a shooter, someone like Holmes for example, but I am just having a hard time understanding how this would work especially for the ones who dont kill themselves as it cannot be easy to get someone to do this knowing they will then spend the rest of their lives in prison and also they would seem to pose a risk to their handlers if they were to talk later.

I've described the process [ on edit: the process of creating a controlled assassin] a few times here on RI. It's not that difficult actually. This is a bit of an oversimplification, but If you're conditioning a child through torture, train them how to identify their anger and then how to store and later direct it. You can create an alter or alter team that is driven by rage but separated from other mediating aspects of the personality, add some weapons and combat training and there you go. It's common for survivors to report they were put through some basic military training. I was fortunate, I was not a good marksman.

An earlier attempt to explain it: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=298717#p298717

We have actual government documents detailing how it was done using hypnosis on an adult subject.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38088065/Declassified-Mkultra-Docs

Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954
...
1.) A posthypnotic of the night before (pointed finger, you will sleep) was enacted. Misses [redacted] immediately progressed to a deep hypnotic state with no further suggestion. This was to test whether the mere carrying out of the posthypnotic would produce the state of hypnosis desired. Needless to say, it did.

2.) Miss [redacted] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [redacted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [redacted]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" for failing to awaken. Miss [redacted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at [redacted] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30678&hilit=hypnosis