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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:18 pm

Joachim Hermann I see is directly linked to Klug on the neurotree, out of the University of Munich. Researching it a bit, I land here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... rmann.html

Hans-Joachim Herrmann
Hans-Joachim ("Hajo") Herrmann, who died on November 5 aged 97, was one of the most deadly Luftwaffe pilots of the Second World War and one of its most innovative air tacticians; a committed Nazi determined to fight to the end, he even formed a special unit of fighter pilots whose task was to ram Allied bombers out of the air.


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Even after the war he never participated in the collective soul-searching about Germany's role in the conflict. He became a lawyer specialising in defending neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, including the British historian David Irving, and was active as a speaker for the far-Right German People's Union (DVU) and the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD).
Hans-Joachim Herrmann

Hans-Joachim Herrmann was born in Kiel on August 1 1913. He began his military career as an infantry officer, but after his introduction to gliding – and an invitation from Herman Göring – transferred to the newly-created Luftwaffe and was commissioned in 1935.

In August 1936, Herrmann was in the first group of Germans to arrive in Spain to support General Franco's Nationalist forces. Initially he flew bombing operations in the Junkers 52 before becoming a founder member of the Condor Legion, attacking airfields and defensive positions near Madrid. Many more bombing operations followed, and in April 1937 he returned to Germany.

On the first day of the Second World War, Herrmann took off in his Heinkel He111 to bomb railway lines in Poland, the first of 18 targets that he attacked before his unit moved to support the German invasion of Norway, when he bombed targets near Oslo and Stavanger. With the occupation complete, his unit was re-equipped with the Junkers 88 and moved to support the Wehrmacht's blitzkrieg into the Low Countries and France.

As commander of the 7th Staffel of KG-4, he led many bombing attacks on England during the Battle of Britain; his first was against oil refineries at Thames Haven. He first attacked London on the night of September 7/8 1940 (his 69th operation against England), when he bombed the India Dock. By October 18 he had flown 21 missions over London. Despite the Luftwaffe opening the campaign against cities, Herrmann referred to his bombing of London as "revenge attacks". He later wrote of this period: "Our anger at the British war of terror overcame our reservations towards repaying like with like in the hope of compelling a return to warfare according to the rules."

In February 1941 his group went to Sicily and, within days, Herrmann led dive-bombing attacks against airfields on Malta. He was also ordered to "hold the British Fleet in check". Attacks against the Royal Navy's heaviest ships followed, when Herrmann observed: "We came to know the British seamen were of the first order."

Following the German advance into Greece on April 7, his unit turned its attention to mining and bombing operations in the eastern Mediterranean. On one attack, against shipping in Piraeus harbour, Herrmann's bomb hit Clan Fraser, which was carrying 350 tons of high explosive. The resulting explosion sank 10 other ships and closed the port for many months.

In July 1941 Herrmann was appointed commander of a bomber group, initially based in France to attack targets in England, before it moved to Norway. Based in the far north, he attacked Allied convoys heading for Murmansk with supplies for the Russians; they included PQ-17, which was mercilessly harried by German aircraft with the loss of all but 11 of its 35 ships. After a year in command, Herrmann was assigned to the general staff in Germany, where he became a close confidant of Göring. During his career as a bomber pilot, Herrmann had flown 320 missions.

In July 1942 he was appointed to the Luftwaffe operational staff, soon gaining a reputation as one of its leading tactical minds. With the RAF's night bombing raids on Germany intensifying in the summer of 1943, he devised the tactic of using day fighters to hunt alone rather than in packs.

As a bomber man himself, his ideas initially gained little support from the Luftwaffe's night fighter staff, but Göring supported the idea. Flown by experienced night fighter pilots and ex-instructors, the fighters waited in the darkness above their Allied targets, using the light of fires below to illuminate the bombers before attacking.

For this special type of operation he created the Jagdgeschwader 300, a night fighter wing known as Wilde Sau ("wild boar"). Herrmann himself flew more than 50 "wild boar" missions and was twice forced to bail out of his stricken fighter. He was credited with shooting down nine RAF bombers.

After a period as the Inspector General of night fighters, Herrmann was appointed to command the First Fighter Division, when he continued to fly on operations.

After the Allied invasion of Normandy, he admitted that "the deployment of the Luftwaffe to defend the invasion was a complete failure". By late 1944 he had become disillusioned with some of Hitler's directives.

Early in 1945, as Allied offensives were wreaking destruction on the German armed forces, Herrmann came to believe that the Me 262 jet fighter was the Luftwaffe's last hope and that mastery of the air was the key to future success. But he saw that the time needed until Me 262 operations could be expanded had to be bridged.

Herrmann asked that the ineffective elements of the fighter force and their propeller aircraft be disbanded, and that 1,500 of these aircraft should be manned by young volunteer pilots who, on a specific day, would ram Allied bombers.

He believed that this force, the so-called Rammjäger Sonderkommando Elbe, would strike such fear into the hearts of American commanders that they would not dare to venture out again for weeks or months. This would provide some respite, giving the Luftwaffe time to introduce more Me 262s and regain air superiority. The unit was sent into action in April 1945, but fuel shortages prevented deployment of the large numbers Herrmann had wanted.

Even as defeat appeared imminent, he refused to countenance any concessions to the enemies of National Socialism, vehemently rejecting an idea, floated by the Luftwaffe High Command, that the remnant of the air force should join with approaching American forces and fight alongside them against the Russians. For his services to the Third Reich, Herrmann was awarded the Knight's Cross, Oak Leaves and Swords.

Having fought throughout the war almost entirely against the western Allies, Herrmann was taken prisoner by the Russians on May 11. He spent 10 years in Soviet camps and was one of the last to be released, returning to Germany on October 12 1955.

After a period studying law Herrmann opened a legal practice in Düsseldorf in 1965. His clients included Holocaust deniers such as Otto Ernst Remer, Fred A Leuchter and David Irving. Something of an idol to the far-Right, he held political and historical evenings all over Europe to tell a younger generation what it meant to "live for the cause". He continued to make public appearances until 2009.

Hajo Herrmann is survived by his wife, the German soprano Ingeborg Reichelt, and by their two children.


This "tree" of neuroscientists seems like quite the rabbit hole, given the readiness to jump on the Internet and jump to conclusions. But there's that. Absolutely no side taken. Yet the mystery resides.

edit: oh, this is all going off an assumption that there may be some relation between "neurotree"->Herrmann->nazi->mass shooting. Just making blanks to fill out and not wanting to start us all whistling in the graveyard. Just found it interesting and would love to have the speculation debunked. . .
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby surfaceskimmer » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:15 pm

barracuda wrote:
surfaceskimmer wrote:That's why I stopped spending a lot of time here.


Really? I thought you left because your brand of anti-semitic conspiratardology wasn't really getting the traction you hoped for.


No, actually, it was to continue reading...:

Kris Millegan's edited tome Fleshing Out Skull and Bones, and Terry Melanson's Perfectibilists;

reading and dissecting a pile of crap sent to me by an anonymous character: http://goldring.wetpaint.com/page/Stories ; (spend a little time navigating through that pile);

Wayne Madsen’s book http://www.lulu.com/shop/wayne-madsen/the-manufacturing-of-a-president/paperback/product-20216251.html and especially the sixth and seventh chapters, pages 161-197;

Walter Freeman’s edited collection of essays (co-editor Rafael Nunez) entitled Reclaiming Cognition: the primacy of action, intention and emotion, after I finished his book Societies of Brains;

and something on remote neural monitoring http://emhdf.com/akwei.html;

an article on chaukeedar's blog about unmaksing disinformation agents;

some miscellaneous articles by the Collins Brothers, the CNP and the immanentization of the Eschaton;

and watching a full-length film on YouTube about secret societies and the mind control agenda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgEPNKO-3o

and listening to a little music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrLdKYRBOEE

and reading up on the man-machine merger brought to us by the people of transhumanism: http://www.activistpost.com/2012/08/neo-humanity-transhumanism-will-merge.html

and catching up with my reading in the discipline of aikido (The Heart of Aikido: The Philosophy of Takemusu Aiki)

and the first two books in the Hunger Games trilogy, along with watching the movie;

and reading some more:

Mirage men: an adventure into paranoia, espionage, psychological warfare and UFO’s,
Mark Pilkington, SkyHorse Publishing (Herman Graf Books), New York 2010, which contains this juicy epigraph:

"“Symbols should convey the Line of Persuasion. They must convey a preconceived notion already developed by the deception target… Sport anglers do the same by applying scents, motion, and color to indicate the lure is an easy meal.”

A primer for deception analysis: psychological operations’ target audience analysis,
Lieut. Col. Ricka Stroh and Major Jason Wendell, Iosphere, Fall 2007.


But then I don't need to school you; I see that HughManateeWins has already done that.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby surfaceskimmer » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:05 pm

And, Barracuda, if you don't like my brand, perhaps you'll here it in the words of the Chosen Ones...

Quotable Quotes From the Chosen Ones
Published on Jul 21, 2012 by ravenise0
Heretic Productions present; Mike Rivero Comments from WhatReallyHappened.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XT6KOH ... r_embedded
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby barracuda » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:54 pm

I don't really give a fuck what you've been up to. I feel sorry for you, honestly, like I might feel for someone who told me it hurts when they pee. But that doesn't mean I want to talk with you about it.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Jeff » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:42 am

surfaceskimmer wrote:And, Barracuda, if you don't like my brand, perhaps you'll here it in the words of the Chosen Ones...

Quotable Quotes From the Chosen Ones
Published on Jul 21, 2012 by ravenise0
Heretic Productions present; Mike Rivero Comments from WhatReallyHappened.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XT6KOH ... r_embedded


Surfaceskimmer, without the original source an attribution only conveys the appearance of legitimacy. These quotes are, to put it mildly, contested, though their use is obviously to inflame hatred. And, FWIW, the channel that posted the video has also posted videos that are not only anti-Israel but irrefutably anti-Semitic. I'll assume you didn't realize any of that. But this a warning about violating our guidelines re espousing hatred of a people based upon race, religion, gender or sexuality.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby surfaceskimmer » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:07 pm

Jeff, are their guidelines here at Rigorous Intuition about determining the current and historical depths of actions, behaviors and policies that are destructive of community, sovereignty, dialogue, belief and life itself? Most of the quotes in that video were source-identified so that someone could do the research. Many of them are commonly available in one form or another. Much of this kind of thing is suppressed, for reasons that are easily understood; they don't want people to know, determine for themselves, or have the option of discovering and contemplating. It's not about "the Jews", or Judaism, or race, religion, gender or sexuality, It's about political policies and national actions. The neo-cons of America also include people of non-Jewish (ethnic or citizenship) persuasion.

Is there a suggestion that people should simply lie down and submit to being Rachel Corrie'd? Are you suggesting that, in America and even increasingly in Canada, and In Great Britain, that there isn't irrefutable proof that the mentality exemplified in that little video doesn't have dominance in American politics and culture way beyond any proportionality for population?

Have you read the other books published by the publisher that published yours?

Are you denying what can be ascertained through a careful reading of "Fleshing Out Skull and Bones" (which has nothing whatsoever to do with race, religion, etc.)?

Are you denying what can be ascertained by a careful and studied reading (with verified cross-reading of the references) in Terry Melanson's "Perfectinbilists"? Have you specifically read Melanson's side-bar on anti-Semitism on page 168?

Or are you and Rigorous Intuition going to be another gate-keeper maintaining a maskirovka that quietly if overtly defends the indefensible?

Is your discussion board a Potemkkin Village like so many others?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Jeff » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:38 pm

surfaceskimmer wrote:Most of the quotes in that video were source-identified so that someone could do the research.


Right; it's all about the research.

As far as I've listened to the video, it's word-for-word this post on Rense by Michael Santomauro. Santamauro, it doesn't take much research to discover, is a Holocaust denier. ("Mr. Santomauro is the editorial director of the American division of Theses & Dissertations Press, which publishes authors who question the Holocaust but live in countries where doing so is a crime. It also published the book he recommended in the e-mail.") He's also a lousy Internet hoaxer. As for the quotes, for those I've searched I can't find any linked to their attributed sources. Reminiscent to me of the Talmudic research promoted by the scholar Jeff Rense.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby norton ash » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:18 pm

Is your discussion board a Potemkkin Village like so many others?


It is! And Jeff really should send us some nice gear and drugs so we can look like happy, well-dressed peasants.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Jeff » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:06 am

Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes tried to call therapist minutes before movie theatre attack

P. Solomon Banda, Associated Press | Aug 31, 2012 8:40 AM ET

CENTENNIAL, Colo. — The man suspected in last month’s Colorado theatre shooting that left 12 people dead and wounded 59 tried to call a psychiatrist just nine minutes before the attack, his defence attorneys said.

The call was revealed as prosecutors tried unsuccessfully to obtain a notebook belonging to 24-year-old suspect James Holmes that reportedly contains a violent description of the attack.

A judge ruled Thursday that prosecutors couldn’t disprove a doctor-patient relationship between Holmes and University of Colorado psychiatrist Dr. Lynne Fenton.

Now the question is whether Holmes sent the notebook to Fenton for use in therapy or treatment.

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/31 ... re-attack/
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:10 pm

Hm. There was a strangely upbeat story (CU psychiatrist who treated James Holmes is highly respected, liked) in The Denver Post about her last week that maybe looked like her/the university's attempt to do preemptive spin.

This was my favorite part of it:

Not long after, she relocated to Colorado, where she worked for Colorado Rehabilitation and Occupational Medicine in Aurora and eventually started her own practice, the Merlin Medical Institute.

She began to use acupuncture as a way to treat pain.

A 1998 Denver Post article also showed that she had begun looking into ways to use acupuncture to increase women's breast sizes.

In the article, Fenton said she knew some people, including fellow doctors, "will say this (is) silly."

"But I'm glad to have this procedure to offer to women who like this idea but wouldn't want to have (implant) surgery," she said. "It's a big self-esteem issue for a lot of women."

Disciplined by board

Her career record is not pristine.



If I'd been on the copy desk there, I probably would have flagged those highlighted sentences as having the appearance of an internal contradiction.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:19 pm

82_28 wrote:
Dr. Curt Freed, whose work focuses on messenger chemicals in the brain and stem cell transplants in patients with Parkinson’s disease.


^^He's a very big deal in that very-big-deal money field, btw. Pioneer of stem-cell research/treatment, etc.

Apart from presenting to you all, Aurora above, I present to you this Dr. Klug who studies the auditory system:

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ummm. If neuroscience was the specialty and the link to neuroscience is one of the cornerstones of understanding this, all I can say is that Dr. Klug's eyes get my neuro-juices flowing.


I can certainly see your point....Those have gotta be creepy colored contacts, don't you think?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:01 pm

8bitagent wrote:So it's possible James Holmes WASNT a black ops manchurian candidate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48798535/ns ... ork_times/

Just saying.


On the other hand, though...

The text message, sent to another graduate student in early July, was cryptic and worrisome. Had she heard of “dysphoric mania,” James Eagan Holmes wanted to know?

The psychiatric condition, a form of bipolar disorder, combines the frenetic energy of mania with the agitation, dark thoughts and in some cases paranoid delusions of major depression.

She messaged back, asking him if dysphoric mania could be managed with treatment. Mr. Holmes replied: “It was,” but added that she should stay away from him “because I am bad news.”


It was the last she heard from him.


...^^it's now so much more likely that he was in a meds-induced tailspin at the time of the shooting that if Dr. Fenton made any medication changes involving SSRIs at all in the relevant time period, I'd even say it was highly probable. Because triggering dysphoric mania is exactly, precisely the potentially bad and sometimes dangerous thing that SSRIs do, when they do such things.

So there you have it. Too true for Natural News, I guess.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Elvis » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:06 pm




^^^

That sounds like what happened. I've seen the whiplash mood effects, including the suicide of a close friend, that often occur with switching SSRIs. Including paranoia. In the case of my late friend, I believe it pushed him over the edge. AND, unlike his old self, he had talked about getting violent with some people who pissed him off. At least he didn't take others with him.

I need to read up on the phone call Holmes made "9 minutes" before the theater attack.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:34 pm

Right. But who does all that kind of leg work if indeed whacked out nuts, assimilating all the weapons, planning it around the opening date of Batman, with roomies in his presence supposedly? In the care of a psychiatrist as well? In a competitive neuroscience program at a top school?

I just don't know. Seems a little too much to believe and yet all too believable. I guess it's just the scale of death and inhumanity and nobody taking any kind of notice at all. Either that or evil dwells within us all or MC, bada bing bada boom. Or maybe weapons are just that goddamned good. I have a feeling a lot is going to be missed in this case and no justice will be served. This is a crime that isn't even a crime anymore -- just pure psychosis.

More later -- obviously. Going to look shit up.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Elvis » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:26 pm




I can't completely discount a "Manchurian candidate" scenario---in fact I'd be surprised if there were no secret programs creating or fostering 'lone nut' killers---but so far with my very limited reading on Holmes, together with the meds-switching factor, I see all the elements of a serious personal breakdown aggravated by molecular shell games, however well intended, played in the dude's brain. The FUBAR culture just bounces this back at us, no goads from the shadows required---in this case anyway, so it seems to me.
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