20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:18 am

jingofever wrote:The military was essentially looking for cheat codes with Project Stargate. If we live in a simulation hypnosis must be a debugger.


That's a mouthful of a sentence. A lot to think about there.

Monsters & Magical Sticks comes to mind....
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby sfnate » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:43 pm

It's simulations all the way down... and perhaps all the way up as well.

The irreducible quantum of experience is awareness, which observes each moment's tapering ends, past and future, as the absolute limits of its own contracted space, the place within which every thought and action is an experiment to prove the efficacy of speculation in the absence of absolute knowledge.

But speculation itself is a form of simulation, giving inhabitable shapes to conceptual spaces that are otherwise ill-defined and spread across inhospitable and threatening topographies of doubt and uncertainty. The environments we live within are themselves intricate simulations constructed out of speculative architectures that are designed by agencies hired by our consensus. The patient engineering of these agencies can be described as conspiracy (cooperative) or disassociation (entropic), depending largely on the perspective of the observer, whose awareness is focused by the energies of appetite and desire, or disinterest and detachment. Of course, conspiracy and disassociation have both positive and negative aspects, and the quality of experience will only emerge out of the aggregated circumstances drawn in by the strange attractors unique to individuals and their preferred speculations (simulations).

That we exist in a vast active living intelligence machine that computes our reality into some kind of illusory experience environment is probably truth without the formality of verification. The identity suggested in this analogy is almost certainly unknowable in itself. That is the gift of our paradoxical condition, to never know for certain that we are the authors of all things, in some experiment of creation that generates itself forever within the finite space of our own awareness.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Ben D » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 pm

Yes, as computing processing technology gets down to the quantum level using electron spin and photon energy states, it occurs to me,..perhaps this development is just mimicking the underlying nature of the cosmos itself in its ceaseless cause-effect activity that maintains the harmony of the whole.

If this is true, then man may soon be able to 'talk' with 'God',..if and when the interaction takes a form that has sufficient relevance to 'God'.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:08 pm

Ben D wrote:If this is true, then man may soon be able to 'talk' with 'God'


Have you been replaced by someone else? I thought the ongoing reality of that conversation was a big part of your 2012 platform.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Ben D » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:49 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
Ben D wrote:If this is true, then man may soon be able to 'talk' with 'God'

Have you been replaced by someone else? I thought the ongoing reality of that conversation was a big part of your 2012 platform.

Hmmm, what you mean,...my 2012 platform?

But yes it is true that mystics are in some form of enhanced communion with 'That' beyond the conceptualized representation of 'reality', but that's takes place on the basis of what's presently relevant to be corrected for further individual karmic unfolding, not necessarily details about what's relevant for the planetary humanity's collective karmic unfolding.

Though it should be added that developing an awareness of the underlying unity of reality that is masked by the maya of apparent multiplicity 'seen' by the dualistic subject-object perspective of the common man is an evolutionary necessity.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:04 am

you guys make my head hurt.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:47 pm

Col. Quisp wrote:you guys make my head hurt.


But how can you be sure, though?

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:37 pm

Seems to me that the good doctor is merely putting into the colloquial the Akashic Record.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Elvis » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:50 pm

Heads up, campers---Wednesday night:

Simulations & Science
Date: 10-17-12
Host: George Noory
Guests: Jim Elvidge
Electrical engineer, and scientific truth seeker Jim Elvidge, will discuss his theories of a programmed reality, in which we may be living in a giant simulation, as well as recent developments in cosmology, artificial intelligence, and virtual reality gaming.

Website(s):
theuniversesolved.com
Book(s):
The Universe - Solved!
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/10/17

I don't think I've heard of Jim Elvidge, I haven't yet looked at his website, and unfortunately George Noory is show host, but I'll tune in for the topic.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby slimmouse » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:03 pm

We need to be careful here, lest we reduce the big bang to the very first tiny clicking noise you hear when you open up some new software on a laptop.
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Postby General Patton » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:21 pm

For those interested, I'm working on a world simulation project. We have a reddit up, working on a wiki and other things:
http://www.reddit.com/r/simulate
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:32 pm

20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof


A simulation of what?
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:09 pm

sfnate wrote:It's simulations all the way down... and perhaps all the way up as well.

The irreducible quantum of experience is awareness, which observes each moment's tapering ends, past and future, as the absolute limits of its own contracted space, the place within which every thought and action is an experiment to prove the efficacy of speculation in the absence of absolute knowledge.

But speculation itself is a form of simulation, giving inhabitable shapes to conceptual spaces that are otherwise ill-defined and spread across inhospitable and threatening topographies of doubt and uncertainty. The environments we live within are themselves intricate simulations constructed out of speculative architectures that are designed by agencies hired by our consensus. The patient engineering of these agencies can be described as conspiracy (cooperative) or disassociation (entropic), depending largely on the perspective of the observer, whose awareness is focused by the energies of appetite and desire, or disinterest and detachment. Of course, conspiracy and disassociation have both positive and negative aspects, and the quality of experience will only emerge out of the aggregated circumstances drawn in by the strange attractors unique to individuals and their preferred speculations (simulations).

That we exist in a vast active living intelligence machine that computes our reality into some kind of illusory experience environment is probably truth without the formality of verification. The identity suggested in this analogy is almost certainly unknowable in itself. That is the gift of our paradoxical condition, to never know for certain that we are the authors of all things, in some experiment of creation that generates itself forever within the finite space of our own awareness.



Very succinct, great comment!
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:31 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof


A simulation of what?


A sadistic computer-god's ideally entertaining universe? (Better than TV!)

I think it's like sfnate said above.

In my own simplistic terms, if we're in any universe that was consciously created by entities of a parent universe, then it's a simulation, innitnow? So Genesis would qualify.

(PS - Heh. I believe you may have demolished this line of thinking in the fewest possible words.)
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:43 am

JackRiddler wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:
20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof


A simulation of what?


A sadistic computer-god's ideally entertaining universe? (Better than TV!)

I think it's like sfnate said above.

In my own simplistic terms, if we're in any universe that was consciously created by entities of a parent universe, then it's a simulation, innitnow? So Genesis would qualify.

(PS - Heh. I believe you may have demolished this line of thinking in the fewest possible words.)


Not so fast. The question of what is being simulated is answered best by the simulation. A tautology that won't sit well with you. I wonder if there is an inverse relationship between the willingness to entertain the idea that one is a simulation and the size of one's ego.

sfnate wrote:That we exist in a vast active living intelligence machine that computes our reality into some kind of illusory experience environment is probably truth without the formality of verification. The identity suggested in this analogy is almost certainly unknowable in itself. That is the gift of our paradoxical condition, to never know for certain that we are the authors of all things, in some experiment of creation that generates itself forever within the finite space of our own awareness.


All that means is that ignorance is bliss, maybe like a vacation from the ennui of omniscience.

I think one of the more interesting questions to ponder is what was the intent of the simulator/s. While A sadistic computer-god's ideally entertaining universe? is an entertaining answer I think I lean toward coffin_dodger's view when they wrote, "If its a sim, my guess would be that it would be free-running with no tinkering.", which means trying to imagine the original intent is much harder. Perhaps the intent is to occasionally produce a Shakespeare.

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

or perhaps a Camus:

that daily effort in which intelligence and passion mingle and delight each other, the absurd man discovers a discipline that will make up the greatest of his strengths. The required diligence and doggedness and lucidity thus resemble the conqueror's attitude. To create is likewise to give a shape to one's fate. For all these characters, their work defines them at least as much as it is defined by them. The actor taught us this: There is no frontier between being and appearing.


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