Interesting interview with Nick Redfern

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Interesting interview with Nick Redfern

Postby Qutb » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:55 pm

author of "Body Snatchers in the Desert".<br><br>"To give you a bit of background, for the most part all the people involved in creating these fake stories weren’t told what they were hiding. What they were given was something like a ten or fifteen page briefing on the story that the air force or the military had created on UFOs. <br><br><br>SM: I think it’s appropriate to ask you at this point, where does this leave the UFO community? Is there a conclusion in the book or in your mind that everything to do with UFOs is simply disinformation or is there some reality behind all this cloud? <br><br><br>NR: The first thing I’d say is that when people read the book, they are probably going to have one of three reactions. I think there will be a certain percentage who will think its disinformation. They will think that because these people worked in the Psychological War Fare Divisions that these people have just deceived me. My argument against that is that if the government wanted to come up with a disinformation programme or explanation for Roswell, why would they make it, arguably, even more controversial than a crashed UFO? To me it doesn’t make any sense to hide a crashed UFO story behind a story that the government was doing diabolical experiments on handicapped people. "<br><br>"<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>SM: Is it all bollocks? Is there no such thing as a UFO? <br><br><br>NR: Ironically, why I got involved in the subject was because my dad was in the Royal Air Force and tracked a UFO on radar. <br><br><br>SM: A timely reminder. <br><br><br>NR: Yeah, he’ll thank me for that when I speak to him next, just giving him a plug again. Ironically, I don’t go into this in the book and just focus on the incident but I think there is a genuine UFO phenomenon but I don’t think it is what it appears to be. The military or intelligence people, or whoever it is behind all this disinformation, I think they have realised that yes, there is a real UFO phenomenon but the fact that there is only works to their advantage to hide things. You see, if they wanted to hide a crashed aircraft incident with a crashed UFO story, if nobody ever saw UFOs, it would be like, “What’s a UFO? How would that work?” But the fact that people see strange things in the sky and it appears to be a genuine phenomenon acts as a good cover, because people like me and you know that there are things going on and that there are good quality, legitimate reports. And that does, ironically, bolster the idea that maybe one of those things just happened to crash.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>" NR: I actually do wonder if they suspect it’s something along these lines. Some people think I’ve gone completely crazy, which I don’t care about but a tulpa is an integral part of Buddhist teaching – I’m not a Buddhist and I haven’t gone and found religion so I do want to stress that, I just happen to think they’re right on this point. It’s a thought form and the idea is that if you concentrate and meditate strongly enough and hard enough, you can actually see what you perceive. It’s not a case of you hallucinating so much as that the brain has the power to project something. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Now, there is another related theory that if you imbue a tulpa with enough power and strength, it can have a limited or even permanent degree of awareness and actually exist outside the person that created it. So it becomes like a troublesome spirit, like a little kid gone wild because it’s free of its creator, or something along those lines."<br><br>"If you read one of Whitley Strieber’s books, he talks about how he had an awareness of an air force report where the government had concluded the so called visitors if you like had this ability to interact and exist within our world a and this was based in part on our belief that they existed.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->" <br><br>"I think it’s important that if Roswell collapses as an alien case, then all these other things do as well. I think that what we’re left with, and this is my personal opinion based upon what I’ve uncovered, is that we have a paranormal type phenomenon with us that is responsible for UFO encounters, but that’s also responsible for many other things. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And, we have a government or a select body of people knowing that this phenomena exists, not really understanding properly what it is, or maybe they do, but realising that it is here and isn’t really doing a great deal of harm other than just scaring people, but it actually acts as a good cover behind which this whole science fiction scenario of aliens has been created to hide medical experiments, classified aircraft flights, weird aircraft crashes, even probably things like mind control experimentation.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Area+51&action=page&obj_id=3454">www.phenomenamagazine.com...bj_id=3454</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Interesting interview with Nick Redfern

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:35 pm

Thanks, I think this is a very interesting and important report. Roswell disproved confirms, for instance, that Colonel Philip Corso's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Day After Roswell</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is part of a deliberate and elaborate disinfo campaign to encourage the belief that UFOs are "conventional" space craft and its occupants ETs. <br><br>Corso was a member of the National Security Council and head of the US Army's R&D department into Foreign Technology, and he claims to have spearheaded the reverse engineering of alien artifacts from the Roswell crash. (He also claims to have seen alien corpses.)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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'astral travel'

Postby glubglubglub » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:44 pm

speculation:<br><br>You do realize they could be both 'conventional' and not, provided this 'tulpa' (temporary substantiation from mental stuff) works (or could be used as such):<br><br>if I'm able to 'astrally travel' and pop into some other here, I'd need to get around; if I had to play by the rules of the place I'd popped into I'd use the most advanced means of transportation I could conceptualize well enough to have work where I arrived. Thus, since I know how a bike works inside and out, making a bike would be trivial and it'd work; if I with my current knowledge tried to make a ufo, I might get something that looked like one but inside was too ill-put-together to work...it'd be like trying to visualize a car engine from only having seen the car, if you see.<br><br>On this line of reasoning a standard ufo as usually seen might be a (temporary instantiation of) an actual, workable mode of transportation...even though most (or all) of the ones witnessed are perhaps just tulpas of some sort (in this guy's terminology), they're also (temporarily) real workable craft. <br><br>An alternative but similar take is that the belief in the tulpa has to be mutual, and so flagrant violations of the laws of physics wouldn't work: we don't get, for example, any reports of flying tetrahedral craft whose pilots balance on top of a sphere on top of one of the points and juggle as they fly; we get semi-plausible craft, and the high strangeness begins once someone's bought into the experience enough to go into the interior.<br><br>Thus it's not out of the question that the phenomena is both paranormal in your sense but also conventional: the craft and the experience may have to be sufficiently plausible at some level of conception to be capable of working if it is to succeed...<br><br>/speculation <p></p><i></i>
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