by Starman » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:23 pm
DrDebugDU<br><br>Heyia;<br>Yeah, a Lotta questions about the OKC bombing remain unanswered, and more troubling, officially unasked -- the 'investigation' has been shown to be horribly botched and directed from the Justice Dept, whose prosecuters ordered the FBI to NOT provide them with evidence of involvement by anybody but the close circle of perps they had focused on, esp. McVeigh as the prime suspect.<br><br>I've read excerpts of Hoffman's book and other reports that suggest such anomalies as: The damage was totally inconsistent with 4800 pounds of fertilizer and diesel fuel;<br>The local ATF bomb-squad was seen on-site in the early morning, apparently as part of a plan to intercept McVeigh in a spectacular bust, but because McVeigh was delayed they called-off their surveillance about 6:30 am and so 'missed' McVeigh's arrival later -- did someone bungle a spectacular PR arrest-stunt?<br><br>Evidence of additional bombs was repressed. Additional witnesses weren't interrogated. The FBI had an informant whose detailed information suggests a provocateur with rightwing inside-Intell connections was inciting violence as per Rumsfeld's P20G network:<br><br>This would correspond with Rumsfeld’s P2OG network, described in this article by Chris Floyd in Counterpunch: <br>**<br>--excerpt--<br>According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization-<>the “Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)”-will carry out secret missions designed to “stimulate reactions” among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to “counterattack” by U.S. forces.<br><br>“Rumsfeld’s plan to create “a super-Intelligence Support Activity” that will “bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception.”<br><br>“In other words-<>and let’s say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld’s plan<>the United States government is planning to use “cover and deception” and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let’s say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people<>your family, your friends, your lovers, you-in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.<br><br>“For P2OG is not designed solely to flush out terrorists and bring them to justice-<>a laudable goal in itself, although the Rumsfeld way of combating terrorism by causing it is pure moral lunacy. (Or should we use the Regime’s own preferred terminology and just call it “evil”?) No, it seems the Pee-Twos have bigger fish to fry. Once they have sparked terrorists into action-by killing their family members? luring them with loot? fueling them with drugs? plying them with jihad propaganda? messing with their mamas? or with agents provocateurs, perhaps, who infiltrate groups then plan and direct the attacks themselves?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html">www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If so, it wouldn’t be the first time: <br><br>As Chomsky explains in his essay “Domestic Terrorism: Notes on the State System of Oppression”, the 60’s and 70’s were replete with violent provocateur actions masterminded by the FBI.<br><br>“During these years, FBI provocateurs repeatedly urged and initiated violent acts, including forceful disruption of meetings and demonstrations on and off university campuses, attacks on police, bombings, and so on. Meanwhile, government agencies financed, helped organize, and supplied arms to right-wing terrorist groups that carried out fire-bombings, burglaries, and shootings, all with the knowledge of the government agencies responsible 12—in most cases the FBI, although one right-wing terrorist in Chicago claims that his group was financed and directed in part by the CIA. 13 <br><br>One FBI provocateur resigned when he was asked to arrange the bombing of a bridge in such a way that the person who placed the booby-trapped bomb would be killed. This was in Seattle, where it was revealed that FBI infiltrators had been engaged in a campaign of arson, terrorism, and bombings of university and civic buildings, and where the FBI arranged a robbery, entrapping a young black man who was paid $75 for the job and killed in a police ambush. 14 In another case, an undercover operative who had formed and headed a pro-Communist Chinese organization “at the direction of the bureau” reports that at the Miami Republican convention he incited “people to turn over one of the buses and then told them that if they really wanted to blow the bus up, to stick a rag in the gas tank and light it” (they were unable to overturn the vehicle). <br><br>The same ex-operative contends that Cointelpro-type operations, allegedly suspended in April 1971, were in fact continuing as late as mid-1974, when he left the Bureau’s employ. 15 Many details are now available concerning the extensive campaign of terror and disruption waged by the government during these years, in part through right-wing paramilitary groups organized and financed by the national government but primarily through the much more effective means of infiltration and provocation. In particular, much of the violence on campus can be attributed to government provocateurs. <br><br>To cite a few examples, the Alabama branch of the ACLU argued in court that in May 1970 an FBI agent “committed arson and other violence that police used as a reason for declaring that university students were unlawfully assembled” 16—150 students were arrested. The court ruled that the agent’s role was irrelevant unless the defense could establish that he was instructed to commit the violent acts, but this was impossible, according to defense counsel, since the FBI and police thwarted his efforts to locate the agent who had admitted the acts to him.”<br><br>With events of a more spectacular nature, the agents are given an elaborate history complete with doubles, handlers, means of support and false identities. <br><br>The most elaborate set-up for any patsy ever was of course Lee Harvey Oswald, who though he hung out with fascists, spooks and gangsters liked to give out Communist literature is his spare time, even appearing on a public radio show to promote “Marxist-Leninism” and defecting to the Soviet Union.<br>(above excerpt from the excellant blog-article, 'Cut-outs, Moles, Patsies and Provocateurs',<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rasputin.gnn.tv/blogs/7306/Cut_outs_moles_patsies_and_provocateurs">rasputin.gnn.tv/blogs/730...ovocateurs</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>****<br>From:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.serendipity.li/more/ok_bomb.html">www.serendipity.li/more/ok_bomb.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Pentagon Report Reveals Multiple<br>Blasts in Oklahoma City Bombing<br>According to the March 20, 1996 issue of Strategic Investment newsletter, a classified Pentagon study confirms that the Oklahoma bombing was caused by more than one bomb. A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995 was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons. Sources close to the Pentagon study are reported to have said that Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot."<br>We reported in Freedom Network News at the time that seismograph readouts at the University of Oklahoma indicated more than one blast impulse. Independent ordnance experts, including a Navy Commander, unanimously agreed that a car-bomb with low intensity fertilizer explosives could not have inflicted such extensive damage to the building and that it was highly likely that high-intensity explosives had been wired directly to the columns. Our suspicion then as now is that it was an "inside job." But by whom is the mystery. Strategic Investment reports that the multiple bombings had a Middle Eastern "signature." Others find the whole business to be extremely fishy because of the fact that no ATF or FBI agents were in their offices at the time of the blast [about 9:05 a.m.] — and that evidence pertaining to both Waco and Mena had been stored there.<br>— Strategic Investment, 1217 St. Paul St., Baltimore, MD 21202-4799.<br>***<br><br>And also:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2461/pg1/index.html">www.disinfo.com/archive/p...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> Oklahoma City Bombing: Startling Evidence Proves Government Cover-up<br>"We have affidavits in our report from paramedics and other rescuers at the scene who say they heard law enforcement people stating there were other bombs found in the building. And then you had bomb experts who had time to drive to a TV station, and sit there, and talk about the un-detonated bombs they had, bombs that were found in the building. You know, it's just too much competent information that can't be reasoned away as mistakes." <br>*****<br><br>The Lockerbie Flight 103 and TWA Flight 800 airline crashes are also noteable for having abundant evidence suggesting they were methodically and deliberately-planned, not a terrorist bombing (Lockerbie) or a center-fuel-tank explosion (TWA Flt. 800) for specific geopolitical purposes. In the case of the TWA accident, some 100 witnesses reported seeing a missile-strike -- their testimony was simply ignored and discreddited because it didn't fit the 'official' version of required truth. Was the missile actually a navy-sub munition that was accidently fired? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://users.rcn.com/virtual.nai/sot/missile.html">users.rcn.com/virtual.nai...ssile.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>--excerpt--<br>"My sources within the intelligence community tell me government authorities may call it a bomb when indeed they know it was a missile that destroyed Flight 800."<br>-Martin Keating, the author of "The Final Jihad"<br><br> For anyone with even the slightest skepticism about the honesty of government, the investigation into the crash of TWA Flight 800 should raise an eyebrow. In the two months since the crash, effectively no definitive conlusions have been made public about what likely caused the crash which claimed more than 200 innocent lives. Beyond being an extraordinarily slow investigation, uncovered evidence and investigative findings often appear to be concealed from the public.<br><br>Furthermore, some of the information which was revealed to the American people has been later contradicted or called into question creating collective doubt about what might have happened. <br>(the site suggests Islamic terrorists are smuggling CIA-provided missiles from the Afghan conflict into the US -- which as they'd be largely undefendable just wouldn't do for the public to know -- instead of an accidental navy test that went awry.)<br><br>ie:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.emergency.com/twa800ed.htm">www.emergency.com/twa800ed.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Baur's eyewitness account comes to light as critics of the official probe, cover-up and initimidation said to have evidence suggesting that TWA 800 was shot down by an errant US navy missile. A Pentagon spokesman, Kenneth Bacon, assistant secretary of defense for public affairs, claimed US official investigators had thoroughly probed the issue, even inventorying the navy's missile arsenal. Bacon claimed "there is absolutely no evidence to support this theory".<br><br>Commenting on the accidental "friendly fire" possibility, James Hall, chairman of the NTSB claimed that there is no physical evidence of TWA Flight 800 being shot down by a missile. The FBI seized a videotape on Tuesday 11 March 1997 from the Florida home of retired United Airlines pilot Richard Russell, who has long supported the theory that a US navy missile brought down the plane. Russell contends the tape is a copy of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) radar and that it shows an object speeding *toward* the jetliner. The tape is to be reviewed by a US federal grand jury which has been considering possible criminal elements of the crash, but the exact nature of that probe is "top secret," the souce told Shanti RTV news agency.<br><br>The NTSB and FBI officials continue to claim they cannot yet determine whether the jumbo jet was brought down by a bomb, a missile or a mechanical malfunction. The crash into the Atlantic Ocean off New York's Long Island almost seven months ago killed all 230 people aboard.<br><br>Last year Muslims were being blamed - by self-styled "terrorism experts" - for the crash. New, independent evidence indicates that a missile probably brought down the jetliner. This would give credence to the theory of an accidental shootdown by US forces training in the area. The evidence includes reddish residue found on several seat backs that laboratory analysis showed to be "consistent with solid missile fuel" ingredients.<br><br>*****<br>William Blum makes a compelling case that the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing was other than a Libyan terrorist plot, involving CIA and DEA agents and criminal contacts in a complex heroin-smuggling entrapment racket gone sour --<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general3/panam.htm">www.rense.com/general3/panam.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>***<br>As well, the '93 WTC bombing is much-more than meets the casual eye or the 'official' explanation. Damning evidence that the FBI instigated and then 'allowed' the bombing to succeed has managed to evade all attempts to discredit it. <br><br>Lies, lies, and more lies. About the only thing we have going for us is rigorous skepticism, a quest for the 'truth', and faith that Good will ultimately triumph over evil.<br><br>Be strong and pass the light!<br>Starman<br> <p></p><i></i>
