Define NWO.

[slimmouse]

Can Larry not reach ? I ask this question in earnest ;

[American Dream]

8bitagent wrote:

Now...call me crazy, but I sadly feel that even above all this, even above a complex multi generational European brotherhood and black brotherhood worldwide...there is, a much more powerful invisible hand.
One that cannot be killed, one that cannot die. And one that explains how such an agenda can continue on for thousands of years even after generations die out.

A world-wide union of bad people, magicians of the left-hand path and assorted fellow travelers? Sure.

Some sort of overarching and malevolent force organizing this through the generations? OK.

Swallowing wholesale what every conspiracy writer has ever had to say about the specific nature of this beast, just because they seem to have part of the story? That would be impossible to do, since so many people have attached so much different, and contradictory, baggage to the story...

[8bitagent]

Can Larry not reach ? I ask this question in earnest ;

Holy crap, I thought that was Larry Silverstein!

(psst, hey Ahmadinejad...I can stand down security at the Sears tower if ya wanna send some H'zbollah boys my way)

[jingofever]

I am convinced!

[8bitagent]

8bitagent wrote:

Now...call me crazy, but I sadly feel that even above all this, even above a complex multi generational European brotherhood and black brotherhood worldwide...there is, a much more powerful invisible hand.
One that cannot be killed, one that cannot die. And one that explains how such an agenda can continue on for thousands of years even after generations die out.

A world-wide union of bad people, magicians of the left-hand path and assorted fellow travelers? Sure.

Some sort of overarching and malevolent force organizing this through the generations? OK.

Swallowing wholesale what every conspiracy writer has ever had to say about the specific nature of this beast, just because they seem to have part of the story? That would be impossible to do, since so many people have attached so much different, and contradictory, baggage to the story...

You got it.

If we listen to right wing Christian conspiracy writers and radio hosts...Satan is behind it all, and the answer is to give into Jesus

If we listen to David Icke and new agers, Reptillian overlords(Satan), are behind it all...but we must give into the cosmic consciousness of love and oneness

Some things American Dream, just defy explanation. And can only be described as "weird"... Like, the JFK-Lincoln synchronicities. The 20 dollar bill folding into a plane to reveal the two scenes from 9/11. The synchronicites of number patterns that are so abundant they cant be coincidence.

I mean life is weird. Yankees Star pitcher Cory Lidle crashes into the upper floors of a New York City highrise, evoking images of 9/11...on a date that when written and flipped upside down is 9/11/2001. An apartment that was of the same woman almost killed by a Macy's Day parade baloon gone awry 7 years prior.

I can see why some believe the conspiracy of life isnt the Devil or the "Illuminati", but the "cosmic giggle" of consciousness and our perception within this shaped reality.

Even I have fallen into the unified theory realm...but, I have to say...is it all just random? I had to finally just accept many of the things denounced as "woo" and superstition most likely do exist. Like the UFO phenomenon.

Or the correlation between Cydonia and Mars and Washington DC. Or astrology. But what does it all mean? This, is the temptation for a grand unified theory...because, life...is that weird.

Btw American Dream...
I wanted to thank you for always sharing with us articles many of us would never see, regarding the nitty gritty in Pakistan, the Balkans and other things.

[nathan28]

8bitagent wrote:

what if, there is indeed an invisible hand that connects them all and guides them?

And regardless if one sees John Dee and Kelly as "good guys", its clear the British monarchy was guided by the occult..a monarchy that was not up to altruistic means. Even the entire origins and reason for America I now question...regardless if the founding fathers had good intentions.

When you look at the public sacrificing, esoteric power structures of Latin American societies, Babylonians, ect...and you look at the European bloodlines through the middle ages to modern day; one has to wonder if there are multi generational powerful royal families tied with the occult that control major world spanning institutions.

In that vein, one of the best articles on the subject:

Liber 118 U.S. 394

and by the same author, a background piece on the egregore
and a similar piece

[8bitagent]

and by the same author, a background piece on the egregore
and a similar piece

Good to see an article explaining the similarities between a corporation and the occult realm.

Funny he should mention the link between corporate logos and magickal sigils...

[antiaristo]

Define NWO.

This was my own effort at warning the Clinton Administration over eight years ago.

Everything that has happened since then bears out what I had to say.

As an aside, I hope everyone realises that what is going on worldwide is not a banking crisis, but is an insurance crisis.

CDS are insurance policies.

They differ from other insurance policies in that they are unreserved.

That's the loophole they created (rather like "enemy combatant").

You let the Lloyds of London crowd in, and tore up the rulebook.

************************


Ms Janet Reno

Attorney General of the USA

Ref: English Jurisdiction
29 May 2000

Queens Bench 1994-C-2024
JP Cleary v Anglia Television

Dear Ms Reno,
The sovereign people of America are in great danger from a malign foreign power. Some salient facts:

1) Lloyds of London and the British Crown are one and the same. What happened at Lloyds (Time Magazine 21 February 2000) represents the precedent for the surrender of American sovereignty. This process if unchecked will culminate with the re-absorption of the United States into the British Empire and the full extension of English jurisdiction over all American citizens

2) There is no public scrutiny or supervision of the English Court because the people are not sovereign.

3) Queens Counsel, though professional advocates and litigators, also have the power to sit in judgement and deputise as a High Court judge.

4) This obscene combination inevitably leads to reciprocity and a secret, though active market in purchased decisions.

5) The Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand personify this culture of cheating and corruption with High Court Judge John Baker available to issue forged documents under a false name.

6) Mr Blair trained as a barrister with Derry Irvine and formed his character within this culture of cheating and corruption. Though Scottish and still in his twenties he was given the safest Labour seat in England. Likewise Mr Major, when unknown, was given Huntingdon, the safest Conservative seat in the country.

7) Mrs Blair QC also trained with Irvine and obtained her powers from the Queen on the day Mr Blair became Prime Minister. She can now cheat low-paid council workers with greater efficiency and even more profit.

8 ) Despite its poor public image the House of Lords served a clear constitutional purpose as an independent check. Hereditary Peers sit as of personal right and are not dependent on Crown patronage. By stripping these Peers of the right to vote but not their right to sit Mr Blair has completed the creation of a de facto hereditary dictatorship behind a smiling democratic façade.

9) The court is a diligent enforcer of draconian libel and secrecy laws buried deep within obscure legislation. There is no free speech, no plurality of the press. Look at the party line on the Princess of Wales and the Blairs’ reproductive achievement. Look at the suppression of Lloyds stories and the banning of Kitty Kelley’s book on the Windsors. Look at the career of Jeffrey Archer, from Star libel to withdrawal from the race to be mayor. The people are not stupid but they know nothing because they are subjects. And subjects have no rights to truth, information, balance or free expression other than those the Sovereign chooses to bestow.

10) Extra-territorial action and conquest is now an established fact. Look to Ireland’s leadership of liars paid by the British Crown and look to the future (two directly elected Presidents, the Prime Minister and Attorney General. And a press monopoly controlled from England).

11) This dictatorship actively and aggressively interferes in American politics and subverts the democratic process in many ways. Just one: she creates “Honorary Knights” – second identities with bank accounts and a passport which are not American citizens and so not subject to the universal “worldwide income” rule for American taxes. Not everyone pays their fair share and not everyone is chased by the IRS.

12) With American politics ruled by money and secrecy who can compete with those who pay no taxes? With those who maintain absolute personal privacy through a secret second identity in London? With those who take commissions from money grubbing brokers? With those who cheat? I repeat: the sovereign people of America are in great danger from this malign foreign dictatorship.

13) And last, the big secret. There are two persons called “Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth”. Both hate democracy and ordinary people with a passion. Both exercise Royal Prerogative powers. Both command private armies with “the right sense of duty”. But only one has sworn and is bound by the Coronation Oath of fidelity to the Nation.

Do you know the story about the king who relied on two independent judges: one, always fair; the other always unjust? The king appoints the judge and lets him make his own decision. In England, the decision you get depends on which “Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth” the judge is obeying. So I say to you what I told the French Prime Minister two weeks ago. That “any State which recognizes this obscenity as a legitimate and trustworthy jurisdiction is laying its own people open to British totalitarianism by stealth”. The Feudal Menace.

I write in this way because 42 days after I wrote to you to provide information pertinent to the furtherance of justice you have chosen to send no acknowledgement. I begin to smell plausible deniability in the air. “If the Brits can get him we can all go on pretending this never happened”. But that game has been going on since I gave Admiral Crowe the full story in November 1995, and how many lives have been ruined by “Lloyds of London” since then? American lives.

I write to you personally because you interpret the law on behalf of the people, and that is real power. You will recall Spring broke his word and brought down the Reynolds government on the single issue of who gets to appoint the Attorney General of Ireland. I see your great nation, which once I knew so well, with a healthy growing body but with maggots worming their way into the brain. I see the one remaining superpower in which democracy is safe because the people are sovereign, but those who interpret and apply the law say otherwise. I see a new world order. Not Jorg Haider who, though nasty, is more diversion than threat. But a British Reich that will last a thousand years.

I have an ailing mother, now in her eighty-first year and completely alone. At whatever risk to my own safety I am going back to tend to her, and I will tell you why with a little family history. Like Alfred Dreyfus I too come from a cultured people, persecuted for centuries, which then saw one-third its number murdered in four years. I too am the offspring of a death camp survivor. My late father lived through four years of hell in Burma as a war prisoner of the Japanese. When the hero came home broken and riddled with disease he was not the man my mother had married. He was put to work cleaning lavatories at Imperial Chemical Industries in Milbank. Deeply embittered, friendless, and racked by pain he turned to alcohol, then violence. We grew up in the slums of South London and my poor dear mother had a truly terrible time. When my father collapsed and died age 59 (walking to work at five in the morning) it was a release for her. I still remember how she would get up, walk to Victoria, clean offices, walk home and then, and only then got the three of us up and ready for school – every day. I love my mother very much and, as my own difficulties have mounted, I have come to admire deeply her stoic courage, good cheer and fortitude. I know that every extra day I spend on this earth is a gift from God to be used and I will not allow her to be alone at the end of her life, come what may.

So I say that the British Harlot Queen can go and fuck herself. That’s what Peter Cook said and he’s dead. That’s what John Smith said, and Mr Blair stepped into his shoes. That’s what Jill Dando said. That’s what the Princess said too. Tom Wolfe’s stoics all. But the Harlot gang attacked me and used force on 6 June 1994 (D Day +50). They have robbed me of more than a million pounds. And I am an Irish citizen. We will see if any counts for aught.

I have a very simple system of personal belief. I believe in the story of Eden and the final judgement. I believe each of us is put here by God for one purpose only – to learn the knowledge of good and evil. All other fruit is free but we must learn to tell the difference for ourselves. We then make the final judgement when we choose the path of one or other. The final judgement is made not of us, but by us. This year, signposted by scripture since time immemorial, that judgement is being made by men and women of power throughout the world. Whither thee, Janet?
Yours sincerely,


John P Cleary BScMAMBA

Freeborn Englishman
& Citizen of Ireland

cc His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales



http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... 1669#81669[/i]

[chlamor]

Old World Colonialism

[brainpanhandler]

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere -- so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive -- that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

-Woodrow Wilson

I've seen that quote a lot over the years and never bothered to look up the context. I was thinking about it today and looked it up. It's mentioned on the board a number of times as you might imagine.

Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.
They know that America is not a place of which it can be said, as it used to be, that a man may choose his own calling and pursue it just as far as his abilities enable him to pursue it; because to-day, if he enters certain fields, there are organizations which will use means against him that will prevent his building up a business which they do not want to have built up; organizations that will see to it that the ground is cut from under him and the markets shut against him. For if he begins to sell to certain retail dealers, to any retail dealers, the monopoly will refuse to sell to those dealers, and those dealers, afraid, will not buy the new man's wares. Section I: “The Old Order Changeth”, p. 13.

Following the link in the wiki article and reading further makes the context pretty mundane by comparison to the dramatic, Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

Wilson just goes on to talk about free markets and how we didn't have them and the accumulation of capital was stacking the deck against the little man and innovation, yadda, yadda.

I guess I still wonder if he wasn't talking about something else. I mean maybe that's just the style then or it was Wilson's style to be so melodramatic. I don't think it was code for jewish bankers as upon a brief search it doesn't appear Wilson was antisemitic. Was he?

Wilson signed the federal reserve act into law on December 23, 1913.

The book the quote is from, THE NEW FREEDOM A CALL FOR THE EMANCIPATION OF THE GENEROUS ENERGIES OF A PEOPLE:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14811/14 ... 4811-h.htm

was published in 1913. Not sure of the exact date.

[compared2what?]

I guess I still wonder if he wasn't talking about something else. I mean maybe that's just the style then or it was Wilson's style to be so melodramatic. I don't think it was code for jewish bankers as upon a brief search it doesn't appear Wilson was antisemitic. Was he?

No. He was appealing to then-current antitrust/anti-big-business sentiment in the course of a political campaign. And....If he meant anyone/anything more specific, my best guess would be that it was U.S. Steel. But I'm not very confident about that. Or, really, about what he meant, ftm. What he said is totally compatible with straight-up Progressive-Era-legacy politicking of a completely non-cryptic nature, though. It would have been kinda middle-of-the-road at that time.

ON EDIT: I also don't have the first clue as to whether he was antisemitic. I should add. The "No" was in response to "Was it code for Jewish bankers?" which was what I mistakenly thought you were asking.

It does sound kind of melodramatic. But there was no TV or internet then. So people just had to make their stump-speeches compelling enough to be memorable as best they could, I guess.

[8bitagent]

I was always fascinated by this quote from Manly P Hall

.. Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few. The Great Seal is the signature of this exalted body—unseen and for the most part unknown—and the unfinished pyramid upon its reverse side is a trestleboard setting forth symbolically the task to the accomplishment of which the United States Government was dedicated from the day of its inception.

Yeah, they're cheesey but I kind of like those "Secret Histories" documentaries(like Eye of the Phoenix) that came out a few years ago.

[brainpanhandler]

Skip to 6:20 of part 1/2 for the bit people pull out and quote out of context.

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

The context:

April 27 1961, 10 days after the bay of pigs.

transcript available at:

President Kennedy speaks at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City before the American Newspaper Publishers Association. Kennedy asks the press for their cooperation in fighting Communism by applying the same standards for publishing sensitive materials in the current Cold War that they would apply in an officially declared war.
http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/3677

[brainpanhandler]

whoa, hold on

you guys know you are playing the reification game, right?

who is the the "NWO"? I don't know, but I'm thinking maybe it can be you or me, what with the clusterfuck going on out there right now.

i'm not saying there isn't a shadowy conspiracy out there. i'm saying let's take a deep breath and ignore the boogeyman for a moment or two, to clear our heads

Are there any satisfactory answers in this thread? I mean absence of proof really isn't proof of absence, but the reification fallacy is definitely not helpful as anything other than a thought experiment. I'm also guilty of using the "they" and "them" you-know-who monikers as much as anyone around here I suppose, but that's so I can avoid using NWO.

Who is empowered/disempowered when we assign all knowing, all powerful attributes to they and them? Or are such egregores impotent anyway?

I can fight the enemies I know.

[dbcooper41]

http://onewtc.com/
this is more an indication than a definition but, i've heard no mention of the
fact that #1 world trade center + #2 world trade center = "one world trade center."

thesis + antithesis = synthesis

from the website above notice the logo looks an awful like an obelisk and the
building clearly pays homage to the all mighty pyramid.
and of course it is 1,776 feet tall.

very patriotic!
what happened in 1776?
founding of the good old USA of course.

oh yeah, and the founding(supposedly), of the ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!!

May 1, 1776 – Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) establishes a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati. Weishaupt is the Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, part of Germany. The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:

1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government

looks like they're doing a pretty good job so far of reaching their goals.