Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[compared2what?]

a larger, slower bullet? 9mm? will we ever know? they sleep with the 911 black boxes now...

No they don't. When the investigation is finished, Connecticut has to make almost the whole work-product of the law enforcement agencies that worked on it available to anyone who takes the trouble to ask. And for stuff like ballistics, there's very little they can do to increase how much trouble that is, even when they have a reason to. It's too covered by FOIA to be debatable.

well shoot (no pun intended). if you can't trust the man, who can you trust?

I kind of want to say "strangers on the internet who post pictures they got from the untrustworthy media."

But since that would pretty much be the same as saying "anyone who might be the man that uses the same distributor he does," I just know it can't be right.

What to do?

i'm sure every link in the chain of evidence would be strong enough to support a teal-green whatever..

Yeah. That's something you can test when you're looking at it, though. If it's important to you. I mean, maybe it's not. But then why does it even matter where the 911 black boxes sleep?.Are they hogging all the cynicism, or do they snore, or what?

I got that it was a Luca Brasi thing and how that's black-box compatible in a general sense and appreciated it, btw.

[sunny]

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In this case the behavior of the Parker family seemed most unsettling. If you think it is appropriate for these folk to be positively giddy because they are in the presence of the Pope, er I mean president, then it’s fair for others to suspect that you carry secret, probably unconscious longing for a strong father figure.




I can't say that I'd see a clear route from A to B on that one even if I saw grounds for concluding that they were positively giddy. But let's skip that part of it. They were smiling for a photograph. That's not only not even a little bit incompatible with my experience of how people behave at wakes and memorials, it's completely consistent with them. I mean, it's certainly true that they also cry. But nobody takes pictures of it. So moot point.



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Grief consumes, and if you will pardon my saying so, it doesn’t allow you to take time out for photo ops.




Not while it's consuming you, no. But nobody can sustain that kind of pain without a break of any kind, infinitely. And it's inherently either solitary or private, by its nature. But as I just said, nobody takes pictures of that. And it's immaterial anyway. Because we're talking about a memorial.

So. WRT what is and isn't appropriate, ordinary or customary within the parameters of the real terms under consideration:

I've definitely been at both wakes and memorials where photographs and even videos were being made, as well as at which people -- including the bereaved -- smiled, laughed, danced, sang, and even occasionally got drunk and hit on strangers when said behavior was characteristic for the person in question. In none of those instances did it ever occur to me that their grief was insincere or that the deceased were still living.

Jesus. This might be a relevant point if you were talking about Granny, RIP aged 82, or even a child if she's been the victim of a long illness, but not one morsel of this long winded dissertation on the behaviors of grief seems germane, in the slightest, to the behavior of the parents of a tiny innocent child who has been ruthlessly slaughtered in her classroom. Do you have any concept of the sheer terror that strikes the heart of a mother who even contemplates something like this happening to her defenseless baby? The mindless rage alone, if god forbid it actually DID happen to her baby, absolutely precludes grinning photo ops with the POTUS or any-goddamn-body else.

These parents..something is wrong with them. I don't know what, but something isn't right here.

[IanEye]

Those NRA motherfuckers have gone too far this time.


They have key word high jacked my sig line!

eye'm gonna start killing people.

[stoneonstone]

A very apparent outlier in this massacre is the casualty rate. In fact, it is unprecedented. Other outliers are in blue below, but there is a much smaller numbers of killed; in one case - Pinelake Nursing Home - there is certainly a high vulnerability of the victims that would explain the lack of wounded. The same could well be said of 6 and 7 year olds, I imagine, but usually the higher the murder count, the higher the wounded count - matching or exceeding it.

I continue to be profoundly disturbed by the total lack of emergency teams at the school and evacuation of victims. whether dead or dying. I can't think of why this was prevented. The extraordinarily long 'warehousing' of the victims on site, and even the mobile autopsy theatre set up (at the firehouse or school grounds...not clear) doesen't read right.

Nobody, let alone Oswald, could have performed the 'official' marksmenship pronounced in Dealey Plaza; this massacre is similarly outside reality, especially as there is no record of long gun training and practice by Adam Lanza. A quick look at some of the other US massacres, where there was some record of proficiency and preparation by the murder(s), and the resulting killed to wounded ratios flags this.

December 14, 2012 Sandy Hook, Newtown CT, 26 killed, 2 wounded.

In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:

December 11, 2012. Clackamas Town Center, Oregon... 2 killed.

September 27, 2012. Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN..5 killed, 3 wounded.

August 5, 2012. Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wisconsin...6 killed, 4 wounded.

July 20, 2012. Aurora, CO...12 killed, 58 wounded.

May 29, 2012. Seattle, WA...5 killed.

April 6, 2012. Tulsa, Oklahoma...3 killed, 2 wounded.

April 2, 2012. Oikos University, Oakland, CA...7 killed

February 27, 2012. Chardon High School in Chardon, OH...3 killed, 3 wounded.

October 14, 2011. Salon Meritage, Seal Beach, CA...8 killed, 1 wounded.

September 6, 2011. IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV...5 killed, 7 wounded.

January 8, 2011. Safeway, Tucson, AZ... 6 killed, 13 wounded.

August 3, 2010. Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT...9 killed, 2 wounded.

November 5, 2009. Fort Hood, Texas...13 killed, 29 wounded.

April 3, 2009. Binghamton, New York...13 killed, 4 wounded.

March 29, 2009. Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC...8 killed.

February 14, 2008. Northern Illinois University...6 killed, 21 wounded.

February 7, 2008. City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri...6 killed, 2 wounded.

December 5, 2007. Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE...9 killed, 4 wounded.

April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech... 32 killed, 24 wounded.

February 12, 2007. Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall...5 killed, 4 wounded.

October 2, 2006. Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA...5 killed, 6 wounded.

March 25, 2006. Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA...7 killed, 2 wounded.

March 21, 2005. Red Lake Senior High School...9 killed, 5 wounded.

March 12, 2005 Sheraton hotel in Brookfield...7 killed. 4 wounded.

July 8, 2003. Martin in Meridian, MS...7 killed, 7 wounded,

December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology Wakefield...7 killed, no wounded.

September 15, 1999. Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX...7 killed, 7 wounded.

July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton in Atlanta...12 killed, 13 wounded.

April 20, 1999. Columbine High School...13 killed, 21 wounded.

[daedelus]

What in the holy hell exactly is going on with this story????

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/

So now we are to be lead to believe that the coroner lied about the bullet caliber, that the story about the "jungle-taping" of the AR-15 magazines was a fabrication, that Lanza fired off a couple hundred rounds in the school with two pistols? The story about half-empty AR-15 magazines and scads of un-fired .223 ammo in the is a red-herring, blah, blah, blah. Why does it seem like the MSM is baiting all of the Conspiracy Theorists into some sort of purposeful double bind? They're making it a "perfect case of damned if you do, damned if you don't..."

[barracuda]

The video in that article is a month old, and was from the day after the shooting, fwiw.

[daedelus]

Ah, yes. I missed that part.

Carry on, nothing to see here.

[barracuda]

Not necessarily nothing to see, but context does have its effects.

[JackRiddler]

Largely ignored and I don't mind, but I still have to see any proof anyone was on those 9/11 flights. Still. There is nothing there in that yarn that I 100% believe. I graciously admit I do not know. But there has never been anyone who has come forward and said "yeah, that was my husband" or some shit.

I can't believe you'd say such shit. Seriously.

First of all, if you paid attention to the post-9/11 media and press, you saw at least two dozen such relatives appear prominently in the media. From plane passengers and crew members. Hello, Mark Bingham's mother, Alice Hoagland? Lisa Beamer? Since ALL of these relatives have come forward, contrary to your incredible statement, the no-plane/"vicsim" specialty therefore is to say they are ALL actors or duped by voice morphed cell phones, etc.

Second, if you did not pay attention to the post-9/11 media and press, why do you even have an opinion on this?

This is exactly the stuff that killed 9/11 truth - general attacks on the characters, credibility and even existence of victim relatives, survivors, first responders and eyewitnesses, as well as activists, and on anyone else considered to have the most moral standing to demand answers.

[Project Willow]

I recently watched the doc "Going Postal". It wasn't that great, but the common thread they found among shooters is that they are people who feel profoundly wronged, have a score to settle, and apparently saw no other way. The doc showed that workplaces were abusive and stifling. The incidents did not represent some mysterious phenomenon, but can be understood in the context of what it is to be a worker in contemporary society, treated as a mindless cog, isolated socially, with little means of seeing one's status or accomplishments reflected in a broader, invested, community.

[compared2what?]

Do you have any concept of the sheer terror that strikes the heart of a mother who even contemplates something like this happening to her defenseless baby?

Yes.

Also: Wow. You almost couldn't have picked a worse time to ask.

...

I don't know. In a way, I guess that's not your fault.

But in another way, it's very hard to understand why anyone would ask someone else a question like that if they weren't trying to inflict as much of the purest, cruelest most annihilating pain possible on that person.***

Or for me it is, anyway. But I was pretty young when I decided that if you've known more of that kind of pain than any person anywhere can or should ever sustain, you have an obligation to stop it there. So it's never really been a known option..

I can't actually imagine doing it.

The mindless rage alone, if god forbid it actually DID happen to her baby, absolutely precludes grinning photo ops with the POTUS or any-goddamn-body else.

These parents..something is wrong with them. I don't know what, but something isn't right here.

I think you might be looking for another thread.

***Worked, btw.
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[sunny]

Nevermind.

[IanEye]

sunny unless i missed something in what c2w wrote, you're doing a pretty good job of conflating yourself.

[8bitagent]

Those NRA motherfuckers have gone too far this time.


They have key word high jacked my sig line!

eye'm gonna start killing people.

Gun nut messiah Alex Jones is against this, as it falls under "big brother". And I'd agree there.

But again, gun incidents happen at inner city schools, and have been happening, without media hoopla.

[8bitagent]

In between the "these kids are mentally troubled" and the "government staged these attacks to ban guns" theories, I do find the one in the middle the most intriguing:
The Copy Cat Effect, and assorted syncs associated.

I recently watched the doc "Going Postal". It wasn't that great, but the common thread they found among shooters is that they are people who feel profoundly wronged, have a score to settle, and apparently saw no other way. The doc showed that workplaces were abusive and stifling. The incidents did not represent some mysterious phenomenon, but can be understood in the context of what it is to be a worker in contemporary society, treated as a mindless cog, isolated socially, with little means of seeing one's status or accomplishments reflected in a broader, invested, community.

Willow, I saw that too on Netflix. I had no idea about the abuses at the USPS. Not at all to take blame away from the shooters, but it does explain a lot. That scene where workers had a split second per split second to keep up with sorter machines was disturbing.