Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[compared2what?]

Bah, what nonsense. Talk to the issues, that's all I'm doing. If you don't like the way I do it, get in line with everyone else who doesn't.

I don't know why you have to be so right about not hurting or harming people all the time, personally. You seem to be kind of hung up on it, for some reason.

But I'll take a number.

[82_28]

C'mon motherfuckers, quit quibbling and just discuss. I for one find the conspiracy element compelling. So there.

Remember it was me watching the live feed in the original "coverage" and posting here saying "bank it". I'm one of the OGs.

The shit I said to bank is the shit that is now in question. It all occurred to 82_28 live and in HD.

To all, there are many questions still to be never answered here. That's the power of such events. Bank it.

[beeblebrox]

The real real point (and yes I know how hippie dippie this sounds but it honestly could be real if we had a great enough consensus) but the real point is that this IS a game ... it is an illusion that we are ALL participating in. I've canceled my subscription but until enough people do it all it amounts to is that I don't get the up to date fashions in my mailbox anymore. That's enough for me, honestly since I can't let myself imagine that the rest of the world is going to help me make it a reality anymore. But I sure do wish my kid wasn't going to have to live through this level of disillusionment. She is though. Oh, she certainly is.

Why? Because lattes are delicious and scandal is titilating and the idea of fame is seductive and hero worship is contagious and even if you're hip to the falsity of the American Dream it doesn't mean that you have given up on the idea of American Democracy which whispers to you that all is fair ... all is right in the world as long as A, B and C happen.

We gotta stop thinking that we are only missing A, B or C and realize that we're up to our asses in all of the letters of the alphabet and the one ingredient that is missing is integrity. GodDamn integrity.. it's what makes you NOT do some of the easy bullshit you could do to win a fight or get a few more dollars or get off or feel important when you don't deserve to. Integrity is what allows you to produce goods in your own land even IF it means they are more expensive, and it is what propels you to BUY those goods even it if means you can only have ONE of them rather than two or three. It is what tells you that having three staff is better than having two staff, it is what tells you that your kid needs to learn to lose that baseball game so that he knows what that feels like, it's how it feels to allow your addict kid to go homeless, it is what tells you that you do NOT sell a stock in a pension fund short just because it'll give you returns elsewhere, etc etc.

Anderson Cooper isn't the PROBLEM. the PROBLEM is our collective lack of integrity that we promote these douchebags and then look up to them.

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Good points to keep in mind while considering the mess we're in. It's much more helpful to think of our problems in the context you've presented (ie, society's problems stemming from a lack of integrity on the individual level) than to think of all our problems being the result of a grand conspiracy, perpetrated by an all-powerful "they", and probably much more realistic too. I don't think any single person, or group of people, is really in control of this thing anyways, this mess we're in has kind of taken on a life of its own. Our main problem is, as you pointed out, a series of greedy, fear-based decisions being made by too many people, from every spectrum of life. No doubt there are evil men and woman in this world plotting and conspiring, but it is against our interests to place all the blame on them. They have only the power that we give them; we only help them by falling for the belief that everything that goes on in this world is part of their design. This has the effect of creating an aura of omnipotence about them that I don't believe really exists.

[JackRiddler]

Parts of this thread boggle my mind. I try to imagine someone rating me on my "appearance of grief" back in November of 1982 when my only son died and all I can say is that it's so profoundly unempathic and escapist/denial-based that it hurts to think about. Those poor parents, having to bear that outrageous indignity along with their grief. During the first 24 hours after my son died, I went through distinct phases of reaction--hysteria, horror and the shock-induced silence that followed, numb calm and terrible shaking pain and suicidal longing. And I was doing it essentially alone. Had I had other parents grieving with me, I know they would have affected how I looked and sounded--human beings do that if they're empathic--but all those reactions would still have been there, either in public or in private, sooner or later.

And who knows what drugs some of these poor suffering people were given to allow them to continue to function for their remaining family members? I remember someone offered me a valium at one point and I took it to get through the old-fashioned funeral, which included a walk down the main street of the tiny town in W PA, from the funeral home to the cemetery, following the carried coffin past all the residents of the town. Without chemical help I would have collapsed. Did anyone judge me by the fact that my face showed my numbness? How about by the fact that the drug allowed me to interact with the rest of the family and friends without wailing my grief aloud as I walked? Did that count against me?

Sorry to get so personal, but I watched those Connecticut parents and saw their reactions and ALL of them were normal for our culture. I had to say something.

LilyPat

I am also sorry. It's the worst imaginable thing. I thank you for this statement.

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[NeonLX]

Yeah. Let me add my thanks and condolences as well, LilyPat.

I often wonder if I'd survive losing my daughter. I think about it a lot. It actually, literally drives me to drink. Which is a stupid response, I'll grant you. But when I try to imagine the despair, I soon find myself heading down into the basement and knocking a few back. I don't deal at all well with grief and despair (well, who does?). Age certainly hasn't dulled my sensitivity. Guess that's a good thing, though it sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

[barracuda]

I'll join in here as well. Having had the pleasure of meeting LilyPat irl, I can only say that she certainly has my admiration. For just a tiny slip of a woman, she exudes strength and awareness, and in her way is an embodiment of surviving the worst of life's travails with tremendous grace. Best to you, LP.

[Project Willow]

^ Agree, completely.

LilyPat

[compared2what?]

I'd like to apologize to sunny. I've made worse mistakes, and said or done things here that were just as cruel or crueler than what I was charging you with while under the impression that I was fighting on the side of the angels. (82-28; Nordic; probably others) So I should know better than to ride a high horse, ever.

There are such real and unforgiving limits to how much you can apologize for that kind of thing without doing it again that sometimes it's not even an option. (82-28; Nordic; probably others) And I don't want to overstep them. So I'll stop there. I'm really sorry, though. You might not have even been wrong. But since it wasn't for me to judge you, I guess it still isn't. Glass houses.

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I've got to say that I sometimes think being open-minded would probably be a lot more fun if it didn't include being open to the possibility that I was capable of doing horrible things to other people without noticing. But unfortunately, that's a real possibility in my case.

NeonLX, your basement sounds like my kind of town.

[LilyPatToo]

Your support means a lot to me, you guys, especially right after I posted painful personal stuff in what I'm sure most here wanted to be "just a discussion" thread. I didn't mean to butt in and wouldn't have except for the distortion I saw in subjective judgements of what's "real" grieving and what's faked. That pushes all kinds of buttons.

And it's just one more step along that line of reasoning to "the kids didn't die as reported" which to me needs a helluva lot firmer foundation than speculation about "inappropriate smiles" in the presence of the President of the United States--WTF?! People who are already off-balance emotionally should surely be given a pass on grinning like monkeys in that situation, right? We're primates with at least a few annoying/embarrassing hierarchical behavior responses wired into us. You know, like smiling at power figures? That shouldn't invalidate anybody's grief.

LilyPat

[Sounder]

You are right LilyPat, I am sorry for what I said.

[conniption]

Sandy Hook reality check

Published on 14 January 2013
by niall in Reality Check.

I’m still receiving questions from readers about Sandy Hook, nearly all of which focus on the idea that the event was staged, in whole or in part, using actors in place of real schoolchildren, parents, teachers, etc. Having looked at the ‘evidence’ for this (which I’m afraid to say is nill), I’m left wondering if people have taken leave of their senses or if this nonsense is being deliberately propagated by the Pentagon’s social media division. It could of course be down to some combination of both. Throw HAARP beaming into the mix and you’ve got a distorted frequency soup few can swim out of.

I still think there are enough unanswered questions about Sandy Hook to leave the perspicacious reader in no doubt that there’s more to the massacre than we’ve been told, but anyone sincerely interested in Truth and sharing Truth with the mass of ordinary folks who are completely oblivious to the despicable shenanigans of secret government must realise that one of its tactics is to load the conspiracy train with nuclear capacity in order to derail it – which, in this context, means making anyone who talks about what may really have happened at Sandy Hook and the broader pattern it forms a part of look like a complete kook.

So please, broaden your minds by all means, but woe unto those who abandon reason!

continue reading: The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions


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Taken from here: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre.
(thanks Mac)

[barracuda]

[8bitagent]

Sometimes I do miss Hugh, as much as he often maligned himself through his actions.
As, what's the top news story all the networks are obsessing about? "The football hero girlfriend hoax".

the word "hoax" is very dangerous, loaded words. Other than the Iraq 1990 stuff or second Tonkin attack, I rarely use the word hoax to describe major events that I am suspicious of.

[conniption]

From Anderson's show on Tues. 1-15-13
Newtown families targeted, intimidated




On Mon. the 14th he was in Newtown for the 1 month anniversary of the shootings. I didn't watch.

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Barracuda - That video cracked me up. He's a man after my own heart.

[8bitagent]

God this shit is so maddening. It was one thing that "9/11 TRUTH(tm)" went down in a belly of laughs and scowls by 2007 in the public and alternative eye.
But this just takes the cake.

Yeah lets not talk lack of mental health in America, the eerie similarity in profiles/age/etc to all these post 2007 shootings, the financial fraud connection between the dad's jobs of the shooters, reports of alleged second shooters.

NOPE. Let's talk about how NO KIDS DIED! Yep, the coroner, families, extended family, cops, teachers...theyre all paid actors! All fake crocodile tears.

Seriously...this is beyond even the no planer shit. *about ready to turn in my conspiracy theorist card*