Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[FourthBase]

The boy's mental health history was invented, too, Mac? Tell me then, "It's even more of a shame that even you now presume that he was "set off"... yeah. 20 dead kids, eight dead adults and two surviving witnesses.

Witnesses, Mac, real, live witnesses who saw who shot them.

But of course, we'll only hear from actors playing the victim role, because the 'real' survivors have all been disappeared. Yeah, right.

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Simply to blacken the name of an autistic 20 year-old?

I pose that if this was a conspiracy and the accused innocent, that it was a sacrifice, payment in advance for poppy's continued well-being. And that's more sensible than any point you or Loopy have made.

"Weirdly enough, I found this photo online just a couple of minutes after posting that sarcastic line. Apparently it shows Ryan Lanza and his father actually on the set of Saturday Night Live..."

Great. Now Lorne Michaels, too, is a co-conspirator, we find, as the plot thickens.

Lupe wrote: "Who in their right mind is going to leap publicly to Lanza's defense in the currently poisonous climate we've seen right here on RI?"

Seems to me you're mourning the wrong fellow, Lupe. But it's nice to see you've finally recognized the point you've spewed poison across these many pages, accusing so publicly innocents of committing mass murder.

Cui bono? What's the point of such a conspiracy, if this horrible mass murder had one besides that of the 'supposed' acting-out of a 'supposedly' mentally disabled 20 year-old individual 'supposedly' wanting to inflict as much pain as he 'supposedly' felt others supposedly caused him during his short but memorable life?

I've written more than once that those looking for a conspiracy should look into the Seattle Zombie Rave afterparty slaughter of seven and wounding of two committed, we're told, by Kyle Huff, an identical twin. Military father, presently unaccounted for, and the twins prime candidates for an MK program. And he left 3 mysterious clues, too. "NOW"

Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son.

A few things here.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5015

- How could that topic have only reached two pages, and this one is now sitting on 64?

- Yet another topic I don't remember contributing to. Nothing strange there, just that I seem to have an awful memory when it comes to internet message boards where I have about 5000 posts or more. I'm hardly alone in that, I think. Still, I hate that moment when I scroll through a topic I think I've never seen before and see my avatar. Even worse is when it's accompanied by an opinion I don't really feel anymore and can't imagine ever feeling.

- It's bittersweet to realize there was a time when Hugh was a really solid thinker and poster.

- "Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son." Whose perspective is that written from, "how I felt" and "my son"? It kind of reads like yours, i.e., either one of the victims was your son or you are Huff's father (edit: or mother). Am I reading that wrong? Or is either one of those the case, and if so, is this already common knowledge on the board that only I'm embarrassingly late to know? (Also, if so, condolences couldn't even begin to...well, let's just clarify all the previous before going further. It could just be bad reading comprehension on my part.)

[barracuda]

So the "tech club" also did TV broadcasts of local basketball games, wrestling matches and the like? That's interesting. Judging by the article, it seems they were far from being a bunch of antisocial shutaways.

Did anyone else here have an A/V club at their high school? Because my experience is that high school A/V clubs are the repository for precisely the most... I'm not really sure how to put this... Nerdish? Geeky? Dweebish? Socially ostracized? ...kids in any school. Bar none.

But beyond that characterization, it's not really clear that Adam was part of the Newtown Tech Club that dealt with the public-access broadcasting of school announcements and wrestling matches known as Ntv17. He may have been involved only in the computer end of the thing, from what I've read. I don't know that the photos of him in front of the hallway logo transform him into a dashing young burgeoning television producer. He looks horribly fragile, and, well, spooked.

[conniption]

...Did anyone else here have an A/V club at their high school? Because my experience is that high school A/V clubs are the repository for precisely the most... I'm not really sure how to put this... Nerdish? Geeky? Dweebish? Socially ostracized? ...kids in any school. Bar none...

...He looks horribly fragile, and, well, spooked.

That was a mean thing to say.

In the other Sandy Hook thread on this board, barracuda, you were saying something about motivations, and I wonder sometimes –

what motivates you?

What is it about the official narrative of this story that gives you such enthusiasm in trying to debunk anything and everything contrary to it, whenever and wherever you can?

[FourthBase]

That was a mean thing to say.

In the other Sandy Hook thread on this board, barracuda, you were saying something about motivations, and I wonder sometimes –

what motivates you?

What is it about the official narrative of this story that gives you such enthusiasm in trying to debunk anything and everything contrary to it, whenever and wherever you can?

Mean? Cuda was just keeping it real. I went to high school. I had some friends at the time who went to different high schools. I have relatives who went to other high schools. I've worked with people who went to different high schools yet. Every person I've ever known who was in a high school AV Club -- which is a lot of people -- was, in fact, geekish or nerdy or dweebish or socially ostracized. It's not just some media stereotype. It's reality. You can choose to be offended by the choice of adjectives, but that's just your choice. A lot of the geeks and nerds I've known were proud to be such, in a tribal way. The dweebs and socially ostracized? Not so much, but if pressed they would've copped to it being the truth. And that's only the ones who could be classified as social entities as the noun forms, not the ones who merely partook in the properties of geekiness or nerdiness or dweebishness.

[barracuda]

That was a mean thing to say.

No it wasn't. A bit of a cliché, certainly, a stereotype. But no more of one than Lanza's particular chosen habiliment:



Where does one get the idea that this is proper attire for high school? From watching Bill Gates porn? It's a virtual recipe for ostracization. It's a "kick me" sign. It doesn't appear ironic in the slightest.

[barracuda]

what motivates you?

What is it about the official narrative of this story that gives you such enthusiasm in trying to debunk anything and everything contrary to it, whenever and wherever you can?

Do you mean the official narrative coming from the mainstream news (Adam Lanza dunnit) or the official narrative here on the forum (vast, nameless conspiracy dunnit)? I guess you could say I'm feeling bored by and constrained by the mandarin quality of the latter in this case. I find it facile, overused, and precious. And unjust, even dangerous, in some instances.

[barracuda]

[82_28]

I agree with the fish. In HS the cafeteria was very segregated. Us ne'er-do-wells, the jocks and the yep, "theater fags" oh, and the totally ostracised. I happened to get along with all of them. But I remember one time my little brother, he was in the theater set and he is much less more tall than I and he showed up to school wearing those flaring "Robin Hood" boots. A bunch of people came to me saying "did you see what your brother is wearing?"

I told him, dude you can't wear that shit because I cannot protect you all the time with all people. He was doing what he wanted. But when I saw him striding around the halls in those fuckers -- think kind of the dude that wears a "utilikilt" today -- I just knew the shit he was gonna get and the shit I was gonna get just by him being my brother. But luckily I was there to always protect him as he is much smaller and less social than I was. But it was a real harrowing thing for a kid as I was back then. Now, I'd be, "fuck you let the kid wear what he wants". Anything can happen.

[Iamwhomiam]

The boy's mental health history was invented, too, Mac? Tell me then, "It's even more of a shame that even you now presume that he was "set off"... yeah. 20 dead kids, eight dead adults and two surviving witnesses.

Witnesses, Mac, real, live witnesses who saw who shot them.

But of course, we'll only hear from actors playing the victim role, because the 'real' survivors have all been disappeared. Yeah, right.

If there is some conspiracy and the accused a willing or unwilling pawn, what's its point? Why did 28 need to die? For what reason? Certainly with a conspiracy, there must be some focus of its members upon some goal, so what purpose did this conspiracy hold for said conspirators?

Simply to blacken the name of an autistic 20 year-old?

I pose that if this was a conspiracy and the accused innocent, that it was a sacrifice, payment in advance for poppy's continued well-being. And that's more sensible than any point you or Loopy have made.

"Weirdly enough, I found this photo online just a couple of minutes after posting that sarcastic line. Apparently it shows Ryan Lanza and his father actually on the set of Saturday Night Live..."

Great. Now Lorne Michaels, too, is a co-conspirator, we find, as the plot thickens.

Lupe wrote: "Who in their right mind is going to leap publicly to Lanza's defense in the currently poisonous climate we've seen right here on RI?"

Seems to me you're mourning the wrong fellow, Lupe. But it's nice to see you've finally recognized the point you've spewed poison across these many pages, accusing so publicly innocents of committing mass murder.

Cui bono? What's the point of such a conspiracy, if this horrible mass murder had one besides that of the 'supposed' acting-out of a 'supposedly' mentally disabled 20 year-old individual 'supposedly' wanting to inflict as much pain as he 'supposedly' felt others supposedly caused him during his short but memorable life?

I've written more than once that those looking for a conspiracy should look into the Seattle Zombie Rave afterparty slaughter of seven and wounding of two committed, we're told, by Kyle Huff, an identical twin. Military father, presently unaccounted for, and the twins prime candidates for an MK program. And he left 3 mysterious clues, too. "NOW"

Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son.

A few things here.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =27&t=5015

- How could that topic have only reached two pages, and this one is now sitting on 64?

- Yet another topic I don't remember contributing to. Nothing strange there, just that I seem to have an awful memory when it comes to internet message boards where I have about 5000 posts or more. I'm hardly alone in that, I think. Still, I hate that moment when I scroll through a topic I think I've never seen before and see my avatar. Even worse is when it's accompanied by an opinion I don't really feel anymore and can't imagine ever feeling.

- It's bittersweet to realize there was a time when Hugh was a really solid thinker and poster.

- "Just imagine if you will, how very many pages that incident ran here on RI, and how I felt reading what others had written about my son." Whose perspective is that written from, "how I felt" and "my son"? It kind of reads like yours, i.e., either one of the victims was your son or you are Huff's father (edit: or mother). Am I reading that wrong? Or is either one of those the case, and if so, is this already common knowledge on the board that only I'm embarrassingly late to know? (Also, if so, condolences couldn't even begin to...well, let's just clarify all the previous before going further. It could just be bad reading comprehension on my part.)

These two links should help clarify my role in that incident, Fourth Base:
Re: Bring Your Sidearms To The Banks of the Potomac. and Capitol Hill Massacre

Honestly, to my thinking the best theory yet put forth as to this being a conspiracy was put forth by some unknown psychic. But I think a kid with a disability from a well-to-do family, quite spoiled, quite demanding and quite isolated, just snapped, who knows why, maybe he was denied something he wanted... we will never know if there was or is a conspiracy though some will claim there could be nothing else but a conspiracy to account for the chaos that occurred in divergent and erroneous early reporting of details after one of the worst mass murders in recent history.

Obviously some here have never been involved in any "breaking news" event. Had they closer contact with the press in action I doubt these so-called 'reporting oddities' would seem all that unusual as to convince anyone that some conspiracy must be afoot. Reporters screw up just like we sometimes do rushing to be first to post news of some event when we haven't taken time to gather all the facts and weigh them carefully before posting.

Usually there's a motive involved in forming a conspiracy, so what's the motive in Sandy Hook? Anyone? Firearms confiscation? a necessary first step for the New World Order to be established across the great expanse of our planet? Only the undertakers and gun dealers & manufacturers seem to have profited; are they the leaders of our New World Order?

[Iamwhomiam]

Yes, it does seem cruel to an empathic person identifying with club members, but it is unfortunately the truth.

I joined our AV club in 7th grade and in those days we had only overhead projectors, 16 mm film projectors with sound and film strips. Film strips were an early precursor Power Point. I joined in the middle of the year and missed the group photo. After seeing the group when I got to see the proof copy of our 8th grade class, I quit.

I always enjoyed people's eccentricities, but peer pressure I suppose, or my fear of being one of the 'oddballs' convinced me I was not quite like all the others. Whoa... what are you doing hanging out with those freaks? I dumbed down and got lost within the 'in' crowd, much to my everlasting chagrin.

Still love my geeks, tho!

[IanEye]

well, i certainly feel better knowing John Miller is on the case.
things are sure to get clearer now.

[barracuda]

Yep. Any interview that begins by asking what was going on in Adam Lanza's mind is going to be bunkum by definition. I mainly posted it to see if anyone had read anything concrete regarding Nancy's boyfriend.

[Iamwhomiam]

Due to my slow dial-up, I'm unable to view videos. A short overview of its content would be most appreciated.

[Nordic]

My first thought upon seeing that picture was "who let him dress that way??".

Any loving parent would not have let him dress like that, would have thrown away the too-big shirt and told him the dryer ate it, tossed out the pocket protectors, ripped off the top button to his shirts so he coyldn't button them up all way way ...

This kid looks like he was dressed by the wardrobe department of a bad teen comedy. Central casting.

A "kick me" sign indeed.

Whoever let him dress like that was downright cruel.

Possibly being autistic he demanded it, but still. It's a parent's responsibility to make sure your kid doesn't do anything THAT blatantly self destructive.

[Elihu]

That was a mean thing to say.
In the other Sandy Hook thread on this board, barracuda, you were saying something about motivations, and I wonder sometimes –
what motivates you?
What is it about the official narrative of this story that gives you such enthusiasm in trying to debunk anything and everything contrary to it, whenever and wherever you can?

i've wondered the same thing. although it's been very grating to my nerves, i'm glad he's performed the service

Do you mean the official narrative coming from the mainstream news (Adam Lanza dunnit) or the official narrative here on the forum (vast, nameless conspiracy dunnit)?

for the simple reason that those of us in the latter category can't prove anything, but through bitter experience expect another screw job from politicians. they care so much.

I guess you could say I'm feeling bored by and constrained by the mandarin quality of the latter in this case. I find it facile, overused, and precious. And unjust, even dangerous, in some instances.

as cuda has perhaps remarked generally, things can be taken just too damned far, and i think he has. i'm reminded of the continuous morphing montage loop of one cherubic trayvon martin image after another until my heart just wanted to break. contrast that with the "solitary", i found to be disingenuous and revolting, image of this "perp". these are the same people that put the incendiary device in the pickup's gas tank, that darkened oj's mugshot on the cover of time, that repeated the lies about babies being ripped out of incubators. for me it was amusing until the point of "finding a wisp of a smile" in the image of derangement, and "empathizing with his bad haircut". empathy is a good thing but it's the bonafides in question. not lanza's. the establishment. and then he turns on the kid with the jock-nerd dresscode juxtaposition. is it dangerous in this volatile atmosphere to reinforce power-structure stereotypes?