Satan

[divideandconquer]

God. Satan. Christ. It's all #occult to me, which I aint down with. We are our own higher powers, kindness/warmth/good reigns. Fuck Arabhamic faith, fuck the occult, fuck false idols.

I think youve probably said the best part of what I think and was subsequently trying to articulate through the image. Understanding the constructs of control are so important. Satan indeed. Wanna see Satan in binary, which as a code comprises just about every element of our existence? Look at the dark bits in the pic for satan by most definitions. Then understand that this is a natural part of the universal construct, which includes each and every one of us. This is readily understood by far more learned folks than me. Including those who exploit all this understanding for their own ends.

Sure, talk about Satan, and all the rest of that interpretaitional stuff if you like. It would be great if we could to look extremely closely at those who introduced the idea. If youre truly on the case however, you would probably quickly come to understand how those elites who understand most of this better than the rest of us ( IMHO), have used such knowledge for their own personal benefit on the physical plane. They couldnt get away with it if they werent as occulty savvy as they are.

We are spirits in a material world. We are a construct of the yin and yan image. We are part of infinite consciousness.

As an aside I reckon we'd be kinda bored as a species, with consciousness, in our earthly school, with too much of either "good" or "bad".

My dog in this fight is based on my own personal belief that this world currently has too much unneccesary suffering for my liking.

Eh...I don't buy into "we are our own higher powers" I think we've been conditioned to believe that in preparation for the communist "new world order"...they must get rid of God. Did you ever read Bella Dodd's 1953 congressional testimony? Or Norman Dodd on tax-exempt foundations? Pretty eye-opening stuff.

http://www.archive.org/stream/investiga ... t_djvu.txt

The more I learn, the more I believe this is Satan's world, this pedophocracy we're forced to serve.

In March, 1931 at the King George V Hotel in Paris, France - ALL of the major occult sects/cults/organizations (Masonic, Rosicrucean, Hermetic, Kabbalist) met together and entered into and 'signed' a MUTUAL SPIRITUAL ALLIANCE with two principle goals:
1) TO DESTROY the Catholic Church so as to 2) establish a WORLD-WIDE 'gnostic church of inner light' which would take the place of the Catholic Church. Documented reference for this 'religious-spiritual CONSPIRACY against mankind' is contained in R. Clymer Swineburne's book "The Book of Rosicruceae"

[FourthBase]

Must get rid of God? Dude, you do realize that there are major religions premised on Oneness with God, right? In other words, "we are our own higher powers", more or less?

[Julian the Apostate]

In March, 1931 at the King George V Hotel in Paris, France - ALL of the major occult sects/cults/organizations (Masonic, Rosicrucean, Hermetic, Kabbalist) met together and entered into and 'signed' a MUTUAL SPIRITUAL ALLIANCE with two principle goals:
1) TO DESTROY the Catholic Church so as to 2) establish a WORLD-WIDE 'gnostic church of inner light' which would take the place of the Catholic Church. Documented reference for this 'religious-spiritual CONSPIRACY against mankind' is contained in R. Clymer Swineburne's book "The Book of Rosicruceae"

You mean R Swineburn Clymer right?

Does the book mention the specific Masonic organizations that were at this meeting, or perhaps names of specific Masons? Does it give any more detail into what was discussed specifically? Or does it explain what resulted from this meeting and whether or not this “world-wide gnostic church” was ever established, and if so where it is? What became of their plans to take down the Catholic church?

Also just curious, assuming for a moment that this account is true, would you personally be supportive of such an effort to take down the Catholic Church?

[seemslikeadream]

Repent, Dick Cheney
Vice comes clean: He was the real president, and he stands by all of his mistakes
March 7, 2013 12:24 am

By Maureen Dowd
Dick Cheney certainly gives certainty a black eye.
In a documentary soon to appear on Showtime, "The World According to Dick Cheney," America's most powerful and destructive vice president woos history by growling yet again that he was right and everyone else was wrong.
R.J. Cutler, who has done documentaries on the Clinton campaign war room and Anna Wintour's Vogue war paint room, now chronicles Mr. Cheney's war boom.
"If I had to do it over again," the 72-year-old says chillingly of his reign of error, "I'd do it over in a minute."
Mr. Cheney, who came from a family of Wyoming Democrats, says his conservative bent was strengthened watching the anti-Vietnam War protests at the University of Wisconsin, where he was pursuing a doctorate and dodging the draft.
"I can remember the mime troupe meeting there and the guys that ran around in white sheets with the entrails of pigs, dripping blood," he said. Maybe if he'd paid more attention to the actual war, conducted with a phony casus belli in a country where we did not understand the culture, he wouldn't have propelled America into two more Vietnams.
The documentary doesn't get to the dark heart of the matter about the man with the new heart.
Did he change, after the shock to his body of so many heart procedures and the shock to his mind of 9/11? Or was he the same person, patiently playing the courtier, once code-named "Backseat" by the Secret Service, until he found the perfect oblivious frontman who would allow him to unleash his harebrained, dictatorial impulses?
Talking to Mr. Cutler in his deep headmaster's monotone, Mr. Cheney dispenses with the fig leaf of "we." He no longer feigns deference to W., whom he now disdains for favoring Condi over him in the second term and for not pardoning "Cheney's Cheney," Scooter Libby.
"I had a job to do," he said.
Continuing: "I got on the telephone with the president, who was in Florida, and told him not to be at one location where we could both be taken out." Mr. Cheney kept W. flying aimlessly in the air on 9/11 while he and Lynn left on a helicopter for a secure undisclosed location, leaving Washington in a bleak, scared silence, with no one reassuring the nation in those first terrifying hours.
"I gave the instructions that we'd authorize our pilots to take it out," he says, referring to the jet headed to Washington that crashed in a Pennsylvania field. He adds: "After I'd given the order, it was pretty quiet. Everybody had heard it, and it was obviously a significant moment."
This guy makes Al Haig look like a shrinking violet.
When they testified together before the 9/11 Commission, W. and Mr. Cheney kept up a pretense that in a previous call, the president had authorized the vice president to give a shoot-down order if needed. But the commission found "no documentary evidence for this call."
In his memoir, W. described feeling "blindsided" again and again. In this film, the blindsider is the eminence grise who was supposed to shore up the untested president. The documentary reveals the Iago lengths that Mr. Cheney went to in order to manipulate the unprepared Junior Bush. Vice had learned turf fighting from a maniacal master of the art, his mentor Donald Rumsfeld.
When he was supposed to be vetting vice presidential candidates, Mr. Cheney was actually demanding so much material from them that there was always something to pick on. He filled W.'s head with stories about conflicts between presidents and vice presidents sparked by the vice president's ambition, while protesting that he himself did not want the job.
In an unorthodox move, he ran the transition, hiring all his people, including Bush Senior's nemesis, Rummy, and sloughing off the Friends of George; then he gave himself an all-access pass.
He was always goosing up W.'s insecurities so he could take advantage of them. To make his crazy and appallingly costly detour from Osama to Saddam by cherry-picking his fake case for invading Iraq, he played on W.'s fear of being lampooned as a wimp, as his father had been.
But after Vice kept W. out of the loop on the Justice Department's rebellion against Mr. Cheney's illegal warrantless domestic spying program, the relationship was ruptured. It was too late to rein in the feverish vice president, except to tell him he couldn't bomb a nuclear plant in the Syrian desert.
"Condi was on the wrong side of all those issues," Mr. Cheney rumbled to Cutler.
Mr. Cheney still hearts waterboarding. "Are you going to trade the lives of a number of people because you want to preserve your honor?" he asked, his voice dripping with contempt.
"I don't lie awake at night thinking, gee, what are they going to say about me?" he sums up.
They're going to say you were a misguided powermonger who, in a paranoid spasm, led this nation into an unthinkable calamity. Sleep on that.

sleep on that and then go straight back to hell where you belong, son of satan

[MacCruiskeen]

When they testified together before the 9/11 Commission, W. and Mr. Cheney kept up a pretense that in a previous call, the president had authorized the vice president to give a shoot-down order if needed. But the commission found "no documentary evidence for this call."

"Kept up a pretense" to the 9/11 Commission? Aha. In plain English: lied to them. Dowd mentions this in passing, as if it were a mere peccadillo. She's too busy honing her style:

Dick Cheney certainly gives certainty a black eye.

the Iago lengths that Mr. Cheney went to

Mr. Cheney still hearts waterboarding.

the 72-year-old says chillingly of his reign of error

Bush Senior's nemesis, Rummy

What a bloody awful writer Maureen Dowd is. Was she posting while drunk? Still, the NYT's token "maverick" does fulfil her brief adequately by blaming eight years of Republican neocon rule on a single "growling", "rumbling", "crazy", "harebrained, dictatorial", "feverish" Vice President who led poor naive George astray (not to mention "Rummy" [sic] and the other helpless puppets on what you might call his Machiavellian Borgia Iago string). And this uniquely evil and ruthless "eminence grise" started the Iraq War all on his own -- "in a paranoid spasm", no less.

Scary. Still, he'll soon be dead, that Bad Apple, so there's nothing much to worry about. Move On. That's the message.

The funny thing is, having gone to such chillingly feverish Iago lengths to paint him as a Mad Monster barely responsible for his own actions, she just can't resist exonerating him yet another wee bit in her very last line:

They're going to say you were a misguided powermonger

"Misguided"? Shurely shome mishtake? Or what Dark Force misguided him? Who was the eminence grise's eminence grise?

Moriarty, maybe, or perhaps Satan himself. At any rate, I think we should be told.

[FourthBase]

Mac versus Dowd, in a bout of mixed-martial reality-checking.

Mac wins! Great takedown, Mac.

Also just curious, assuming for a moment that this account is true, would you personally be supportive of such an effort to take down the Catholic Church?

...i.e., supposing that Freemasonry and other occult secret societies agreed in 1931 to destroy and replace the Catholic Church, which at its highest levels is just another more popular occult secret society, would this have been cool? I don't know. If that were happening, and the Catholic Church had been infiltrated at high levels by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, etc. with the intent to one day destroy and replace it, we all would be able to tell, right? Seems like the greatest recent threat to the Church's existence has been the widespread child-raping. Any chance that would just be all part of the legion of occult secret societies' schemes, and part of the Church's reluctance and inability to respond appropriately because doing so would mean publicly acknowledging the existence of a conspiracy carried out by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, and the like? (Which would be one hell of a twist, lol, if the Catholic Church itself was afraid to speak out because it feared the ridicule and incredulity so often heaped on those who identify themselves as victims of a conspiracy orchestrated by occult secret societies.) Would the rest of us, uhhh, be expected to somehow thank the occult secret societies for that? Or perhaps the scheme would merely have been to gradually expose the child-rapes but not in any way be responsible for them? Or maybe the scheme was just to give intellectual inspiration and spiritual guidance to the progenitors of liberation theology? As you can see, there's more than one possibility of how that account might be true, ranging from the unthinkably-evil to the quite-honorable. So, you'll have to be a little more specific.

[Julian the Apostate]

Mac versus Dowd, in a bout of mixed-martial reality-checking.

Mac wins! Great takedown, Mac.

Also just curious, assuming for a moment that this account is true, would you personally be supportive of such an effort to take down the Catholic Church?

...i.e., supposing that Freemasonry and other occult secret societies agreed in 1931 to destroy and replace the Catholic Church, which at its highest levels is just another more popular occult secret society, would this have been cool? I don't know. If that were happening, and the Catholic Church had been infiltrated at high levels by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, etc. with the intent to one day destroy and replace it, we all would be able to tell, right? Seems like the greatest recent threat to the Church's existence has been the widespread child-raping. Any chance that would just be all part of the legion of occult secret societies' schemes, and part of the Church's reluctance and inability to respond appropriately because doing so would mean publicly acknowledging the existence of a conspiracy carried out by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, and the like? (Which would be one hell of a twist, lol, if the Catholic Church itself was afraid to speak out because it feared the ridicule and incredulity so often heaped on those who identify themselves as victims of a conspiracy orchestrated by occult secret societies.) Would the rest of us, uhhh, be expected to somehow thank the occult secret societies for that? Or perhaps the scheme would merely have been to gradually expose the child-rapes but not in any way be responsible for them? Or maybe the scheme was just to give intellectual inspiration and spiritual guidance to the progenitors of liberation theology? As you can see, there's more than one possibility of how that account might be true, ranging from the unthinkably-evil to the quite-honorable. So, you'll have to be a little more specific.

Well the only reason I asked what D&C’s opinion of such an effort would be is because I thought his post contained a little bit of a double-standard. On one hand he lamented the fact that we live in a satanic world run by a “pedophocracy” while on the other he seemed angry that a bunch esoterically-minded people might have met at a hotel and decided to bring down the Catholic Church, arguably also a pedophocracy.

[FourthBase]

Mac versus Dowd, in a bout of mixed-martial reality-checking.

Mac wins! Great takedown, Mac.

Also just curious, assuming for a moment that this account is true, would you personally be supportive of such an effort to take down the Catholic Church?

...i.e., supposing that Freemasonry and other occult secret societies agreed in 1931 to destroy and replace the Catholic Church, which at its highest levels is just another more popular occult secret society, would this have been cool? I don't know. If that were happening, and the Catholic Church had been infiltrated at high levels by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, etc. with the intent to one day destroy and replace it, we all would be able to tell, right? Seems like the greatest recent threat to the Church's existence has been the widespread child-raping. Any chance that would just be all part of the legion of occult secret societies' schemes, and part of the Church's reluctance and inability to respond appropriately because doing so would mean publicly acknowledging the existence of a conspiracy carried out by Freemasons, Rosicruceans, Hermeticists, Kabbalists, and the like? (Which would be one hell of a twist, lol, if the Catholic Church itself was afraid to speak out because it feared the ridicule and incredulity so often heaped on those who identify themselves as victims of a conspiracy orchestrated by occult secret societies.) Would the rest of us, uhhh, be expected to somehow thank the occult secret societies for that? Or perhaps the scheme would merely have been to gradually expose the child-rapes but not in any way be responsible for them? Or maybe the scheme was just to give intellectual inspiration and spiritual guidance to the progenitors of liberation theology? As you can see, there's more than one possibility of how that account might be true, ranging from the unthinkably-evil to the quite-honorable. So, you'll have to be a little more specific.

Well the only reason I asked what D&C’s opinion of such an effort would be is because I thought his post contained a little bit of a double-standard. On one hand he lamented the fact that we live in a satanic world run by a “pedophocracy” while on the other he seemed angry that a bunch esoterically-minded people might have met at a hotel and decided to bring down the Catholic Church, arguably also a pedophocracy.

Fair enough. Good point.

[JackRiddler]

Eh...I don't buy into "we are our own higher powers" I think we've been conditioned to believe that in preparation for the communist "new world order"...they must get rid of God. Did you ever read Bella Dodd's 1953 congressional testimony? Or Norman Dodd on tax-exempt foundations? Pretty eye-opening stuff.

http://www.archive.org/stream/investiga ... t_djvu.txt

The more I learn, the more I believe this is Satan's world, this pedophocracy we're forced to serve.

In March, 1931 at the King George V Hotel in Paris, France - ALL of the major occult sects/cults/organizations (Masonic, Rosicrucean, Hermetic, Kabbalist) met together and entered into and 'signed' a MUTUAL SPIRITUAL ALLIANCE with two principle goals:
1) TO DESTROY the Catholic Church so as to 2) establish a WORLD-WIDE 'gnostic church of inner light' which would take the place of the Catholic Church. Documented reference for this 'religious-spiritual CONSPIRACY against mankind' is contained in R. Clymer Swineburne's book "The Book of Rosicruceae"

Hey, thanks for that link to the House Unamerican Activities Committee testimony from 1953. Scanned it. So very entertaining.

But it doesn't have the part about the King George V Hotel. Where'd you get that from? Also, where were the Jews in all this?

[divideandconquer]

No, I'm appalled at the hierarchy, and I've come to believe that at least part of the hierarchy has always been corrupt. Having said that, I was raised a Catholic and was fortunate enough to see the good side. You could say I subscribe to a "Dorothy Day" of socially conscious type of Catholicism. My parent's good friend was a Catholic priest who dedicated his life to the poor in one of the worst neighborhoods in North Philly. He ran the church and school all by himself. Cardinal Krol wanted to close his church and school down, but he refused to let that happen. From that point on he did not receive a dime from the hierarchy., and thanks to him, it's still in operation today. In fact, there is a movie about him starring David Morse.

The reason I brought up Bella Dodd, author of "School of Darkness" is because when she was working for the Communist Party of America (CPUSA) she testified that she was responsible for getting 1100 members into the priesthood. Why? Because the main agenda of the Communist party is controlling the common man and advancing a global order. Religion and education, in particular, are targeted because of their influence over young developing minds. The Communist Party operates by infiltrating and subverting social institutions like the churches, schools, mass media and government. Its aim was "to create new types of human beings who would conform to the blueprint of the world they confidently expected to control."

"In the 1930s we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within. The idea was for these men to be ordained and progress to positions of influence and authority as Monsignors and Bishops. Right now they are in the highest places in the Church — where they are working to bring about change in order to weaken the Church." [these changes would be] "so drastic that you will not recognise the Catholic Church." -- Bella Dodd

She also said that she knew at least four of these men were in the Vatican at the time.

So today the Church has changed drastically, especially since Vatican 2. From the mouths of the Vatican's top astronomers and theologians, there is this newly celebrated astral theology, a new "space faith" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ who was despised by the Church at one time, today is celebrated, especially by Pope Benedict

Fr. José Gabriel Funes, S.J. director of the Vatican Observatory, implies that there is a new faith that is coming and it responds to the question of whether extraterrestrials would need to be redeemed, or whether we would need to be evangelized by them, and this is becoming the common thread amongst much of the new theological discourse of those at the highest levels of authorities in Rome who work at the observatories, and speak to the issue of astrobiology. Father Funes said the presence of alien intelligence would not contradict our faith. How is that true if there is alien intelligence closer to God, and morally superior to human beings?

In a nutshell, Funes says, God was made man in Jesus to save us, but other intelligent beings may exist and it’s never been said that they would need redemption... that there may exist an alien intelligence that is morally superior to man, closer to God than we are, and when they come they’re going to evangelize us. They’re going to better instruct us in our faith, and that’s the reason, going back over all of these years, you keep hearing that redundant statement from guys like Funes and others that when disclosure is made, theology is going to have to be reconsidered.

If that's not a drastic change in doctrine, I don't know what is.

[seemslikeadream]

[quote="MacCruiskeen"][/quote]


oh sweeeeeet jesus .....lighten up McGup

Are you saying Dowd is no Robert Perry? ...
Glenn Greenwald? .....
Patrick Cockburn?....Chris Floyd? ......No? No?

Arthur Silber?

Justin Raimondo?


John Pilger?
But then again they don't get their stuff in the NYT....so there's that.....

I thought it was a bit amusing....all she is gossip

[Iamwhomiam]

Anyone notice the guy with the orange hair?

[Hammer of Los]

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So today the Church has changed drastically, especially since Vatican 2. From the mouths of the Vatican's top astronomers and theologians, there is this newly celebrated astral theology, a new "space faith" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ who was despised by the Church at one time, today is celebrated, especially by Pope Benedict

Fr. José Gabriel Funes, S.J. director of the Vatican Observatory, implies that there is a new faith that is coming and it responds to the question of whether extraterrestrials would need to be redeemed, or whether we would need to be evangelized by them, and this is becoming the common thread amongst much of the new theological discourse of those at the highest levels of authorities in Rome who work at the observatories, and speak to the issue of astrobiology. Father Funes said the presence of alien intelligence would not contradict our faith. How is that true if there is alien intelligence closer to God, and morally superior to human beings?

In a nutshell, Funes says, God was made man in Jesus to save us, but other intelligent beings may exist and it’s never been said that they would need redemption... that there may exist an alien intelligence that is morally superior to man, closer to God than we are, and when they come they’re going to evangelize us. They’re going to better instruct us in our faith, and that’s the reason, going back over all of these years, you keep hearing that redundant statement from guys like Funes and others that when disclosure is made, theology is going to have to be reconsidered.

If that's not a drastic change in doctrine, I don't know what is.

Gosh, where to start with all that?

The first two books on the bookshelf behind my pc are Hume's "On Religion" a collection of Hume's writings, and the next one is Teilhard de Chardin's "The Phenomenon of Man."

I am the Herald of the New Age.

The New Age is here already.

They lost the war.

You wait and see.

By the way, I'm glad Julian's here, actually.

But I was more than a little disappointed to find that the Freemasons don't worship Lucifer.

I was a Catholic for twenty odd years.

I was even president of my university Student Catholic Society.

S'funny.

I still am catholic.

As in, ecumenically minded.

Actually used to call myself Theosophist.

And I did seriously consider joining the Rosicrucians at one point.

But actually I'm more than a bit of a hermit.

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[Julian the Apostate]

I'm glad Julian's here, actually.

But I was more than a little disappointed to find that the Freemasons don't worship Lucifer.

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Well thanks

Who or what do you think Lucifer is?

[Hammer of Los]

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Woah!

You're quick.

I got shoppin' ta do!

Maybe later!

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