Scottish Independence and the UK State

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:28 am

If you ever happened to read through this thread, and thought to yourself - "fuck me, Ahab's a paranoid wreck" - well, you were right enough. I am. But I have reason to be.

Here is an instructive bit of opinionizing. It comes from a former British civil servant, who was involved for many years in the delicate mixture of salesmanship and protection-racketeering that developed states prefer to call "overseas development"

He's an establishment dude, a genuine member of the British civil service. His opinions are especially serious since they were published in a "well-respected source" like The Scotsman newspaper.

The Scotsman, though, to be honest, is as unapologetically and ideologicaly Unionist in it's editorial line as any Churchillian Great Briton could wish.

It is worth knowing that no mainstream media body in Britain - none at all, and least of all the BBC - supports Scottish independence, or even treats it as a serious subject..... yet.

But anyway....

Link: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-2781455

Spies could already be operating in Scotland - claim

Published on Saturday 9 February 2013 00:12

WHITEHALL “spies” may already be embedded in the civil service in Scotland ready to leak intelligence in the event of independence, a former British civil servant has suggested.

• “Sleepers” could already be embedded in Scottish Government departments


James Aitken, formerly involved in overseas development, said “sleepers” may have been placed “ready to be activated as required”.

Scotland would be at a “considerable disadvantage” in the negotiations that would follow a Yes vote, Mr Aitken wrote in The Scottish Review.

Scottish negotiators with little international experience other than fish talks and a few trade missions would face a “formidable” team ready to secure the best deal for the remainder of the UK, he said.

The UK may also get help from US intelligence agents keen to safeguard the UK nuclear deterrent, he said, while the best Scottish negotiators could hope for is a few “spilled beans” from Whitehall.

Mr Aitken managed British aid programmes to a number of developing countries including Kenya, Uganda and India during his time at Whitehall.

He said: “It’s a fair bet that any paper produced on independence by St Andrew’s House will be circulating in Whitehall’s red boxes within 24 hours, along with reports on discussions in private office and ministerial exchanges.

“Sigint (signal intelligence) can provide access to the computer system while Humint (human intelligence) will fill in the gaps.

“It would be surprising if ‘sleepers’ have not been embedded in St Andrew’s House and Victoria Quay, ready to be activated as required.”

Nuclear deterrent

He added: “The US has made it plain in the past that a nuclear-armed UK is in US interests.

“It follows that any threat to the UK deterrent is a threat to the US and our security services can look to support from US agencies even in activities which might be considered dubious under UK law.”

Scottish Secretary Michael Moore has said Scotland would enter post-independence negotiations from “a position of weakness”, in contrast to the diminished but still “comparatively large, wealthy and powerful” UK.

Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has predicted everyone will rally round in the event of independence to secure the best deal for “Team Scotland”, regardless of their current political position.

Mr Aitken said: “Whitehall has a significant pool of civil servants who have experience of international negotiation both with governments and in international organisations like the UN and the EU.

“This includes both staff in the Foreign Office and Whitehall home departments where the latter’s experience of EU committees will give them a particular advantage.

“The sheer number of staff with relevant experience means that Whitehall will be able to staff and service a large number of committees with people who have already honed their skills in the international arena.”

He added: “Coupled with the institutional memory of the home departments, this provides a formidable negotiating structure, with the capacity to cover a large-scale negotiation in depth.

“By comparison, because of the nature of its current remit, the Scottish Government is unlikely to have many staff with direct experience of international negotiations.

“Some will have participated in EU fisheries negotiations, others may have some experience through trade organisations or Scotland’s overseas aid programme but there does not appear to be a similar breath of experience to that held by Whitehall.”

He said the Scottish Government “may not have sufficient suitably experienced staff to service the negotiations, let alone reach a settlement which is in Scotland’s interests”.

He added: “The best the Scottish Government can hope for is probably a few spilled beans from Whitehall, or possibly some hints from well-placed people who feel Scotland is getting a bad deal.”



All of the points Mr. Aitken makes seem quite reasonable and common sense to me, and Mr. Aitken even admits himself that this "infiltration" of spies during the negotiations will work both ways. It makes sense.

But it's not exactly an argument for the Union, is it? Is he asking Scottish people to vote in favour of a system where it is admitted that their elected representatives will be spied upon by Whitehall?

Is he asking us all to give solid support, in the form of a vote, to a state where the very civil servants who serve us admit that they will harm us economically if we ever dare to vote against their interests?

'Cos that's what it looks like to me.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:55 am

Craig Murray:

A particularly sickening trick from the BBC a few weeks back raised my blood pressure whilst in hospital and almost finished me off. A French Euro MP was asked for “the French view” on Scottish independence. She said that France would oppose it and the French government takes the view that an independent Scotland would be outside the European Union. I was absolutely astonished that the BBC had managed to find the only French person in the entire world who is against Scottish independence, and that she was telling an outright lie about the position of the French government.

Then I realised who she was – the former research assistant (and rather more) of New Labour minister and criminal invoice forger Denis Macshane. She worked for years in the UK parliament for New Labour, in a Monica Lewinsky kind of way. All of which the BBC hid, presenting her simply as a French Euro MP. There are seventy million French people. How remarkable that the one the BBC chose to give the French view of Scottish independence was a New Labour hack!

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:04 pm

For an excellent, almost unimprovable, example of media bias, you can't do better than this article from the Herald. It admits that according to both UK and Scottish government figures an independent Scotland would be the third wealthiest state (in terms of GDP per capita) in the EU, but manages to frame the whole thing as a scare story, complete with a negative headline that can be relied upon to scream out from the shelves and the billboards. Everybody knows it's the headline that really counts, and by God they make it count here:

Warning over Scots EU costs

Saturday 9 March 2013

SCOTLAND'S payments to the European Union could rise from £124 million to £673m under independence, official figures suggest.

An independent Scotland, with oil reserves, would become the third richest country in the EU in terms of GDP per head. .... :shock2:

It is feared this would push up payments. .... :lol:

Figures in the Scottish Government's GERS (Government Expenditure and Revenues in Scotland) report estimated Scotland's share of the UK contribution to the EU at £124m.

That would rise to £378m if an independent Scotland managed to retain a share of the UK's existing budget rebate, worth £295m.

If ministers failed to negotiate a rebate, the bill would rise to £673m.

Many experts, including leading economist Professor John Kay, have warned an independent Scotland would have little chance of retaining a slice of the rebate.

However, Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon insisted a deal to keep the discount could be struck.

It is said payments would rise as an independent Scotland, with oil reserves, would be among the wealthiest EU countries in terms of GDP per head. Only the Netherlands and Luxembourg would be better off.

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie MSP said: "The SNP government's own figures have laid bare the real cost of the nationalist's independence plans. Even with the rebate an independent Scotland's payment to the EU would triple to £378m."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "The EU Budget for 2014-2020 was agreed by EU finance ministers (subject to European Parliament approval). Up to independence Scotland will contribute to that as part of the UK and would then negotiate with the UK an appropriate division. In 2020 all aspects will be subject to fresh negotiations."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... s.20449228


I imagine that the second and ninth paragraphs were written with gritted teeth. They probably would've been delivered sotto voce, if you could do that in writing.

Since we have been reliably informed for decades, in fact centuries, by the UK Government (and even by the Scottish Executive under Labour post-devolution) that Scotland is an economic basket case wholly dependent on UK subsidies, should the headline here not be: "Jesus Christ Almighty! : Independent Scotland Would Be Third Wealthiest In EU." ? 'Cos surely that's the bigger story?

Think of all the damage that has been done to our economy over all this time by the subsidy myth, particularly in terms of attracting foreign investment here. Westminster has knowingly acted against the economic interests of Scotland for decades (I would say centuries, but that's slightly less provable).

The fact that a headline like "Independent Scotland Would be Wealthier" could never appear in the UK press, and would certainly never appear in the Scottish press, even after the figures have shown it to be true, highlights the problem. The media's job is to ensure that every economic silver lining is accompanied by a massive tsunami of bullshit, and many of them appear to know it.

The guy who wrote the story above, Magnus Gardham, was parachuted in as Political Editor of the Herald after the SNP victory in 2011, since the previous editor had been seen as too lenient towards the mad separatists and their crazy economic fantasies... which have nearly all turned out to be true.

The BBC's inter-relationship with New Labour, especially in Scotland, is even worse than Craig Murray has said (he might just not have had the space or the time) but it would take me a long time to go into all that too. Thanks for posting it Mac.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:24 am

Craig Murray mentioned the Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order of 1999 in that post of his, there is a bit more detail about the history behind it in my latest Youtube effort. Only a couple of minutes long this time:

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby NeonLX » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:42 pm

I want to thank Mac, the Other Leg, & Stephen (on edit: and everyone else) for all of the info that's contained in this thread. I've been only dimly aware of the Scottish independence drive so all of this background info is fascinatin'.

My dad's grandfather came from just outside of Glasgow so I guess I have a small patch of personal skin in the game. I think he arrived in the U.S. around 1895. I believe my dad's mother's family were also Scottish, and my great-granny on my mom's side was Irish).

The descriptions of the Orange Brigade are chilling. Why are there so many boneheads in this world?
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:18 pm

NeonLX wrote:I want to thank Mac, the Other Leg, & Stephen (on edit: and everyone else) for all of the info that's contained in this thread. I've been only dimly aware of the Scottish independence drive so all of this background info is fascinatin'.


Thanks Neon, I wasn't sure if anyone was still reading it. I need to keep my posts shorter, they can be a bit of a trial even for me.

NeonLX wrote:My dad's grandfather came from just outside of Glasgow so I guess I have a small patch of personal skin in the game. I think he arrived in the U.S. around 1895. I believe my dad's mother's family were also Scottish, and my great-granny on my mom's side was Irish).


It's strange how many folk emigrated in those days (whether forced or otherwise - some for aspirational reasons, others due to the Highland Clearances, the lingering effects of the Irish famine, and the simple fact of widespread poverty) all while the British Empire was at at it's height, wealth was rolling into the UK from all corners of the globe, and we were all, of course, part of "the most successful political union in history."

Most peculiar. It's hard to explain why in the 18th century Scotland and Ireland (as part of the UK) were just about the only countries in Europe to see their populations decline.

NeonLX wrote:The descriptions of the Orange Brigade are chilling. Why are there so many boneheads in this world?


It's very hard to explain the Orange Order, I don't want to exaggerate their influence or their terribleness too much, though some might say I already have.

The situation with them is just bizarre - I have friends who are members, we can drink together fine as long as no one mentions independence or Ireland, and then for a couple of days each year they get dressed up all funny and march through the town singing songs about being up to their knees in my blood. Then they come back and we have a drink again. This is seen as normal, and most folk never really think about it because it has no direct impact on their lives. You could technically spend your whole life here without ever having to worry about them at all, other than hearing a flute band passing every now and then.

A lot of members don't seem to take the anti-Catholic stuff seriously, as such, but will still spout bigotted nonsense among themselves, or go over to Belfast and cause trouble there for the 12th. The leadership really does believe in it all, which makes the normal members all the more mystifying.

If I was to start this thread again I would probably be a bit less strident and "confrontational" about the whole thing. I understand that for many people the UK is their country - all of it - so my own wee attempts to break it up can understandably make them feel angry or might just be upsetting overall, and I haven't been very sympathetic to that view. I understand why English, Welsh and Northern Irish people might feel the referendum is unfair as well, and why they might feel entitled to a vote in it, even if that would be impractical (and unfair in a different way).

Stuff like the UK Government releasing legal advice showing that Scotland no longer exists because it was "extinguished as a matter of international law" by the 1707 Union doesn't do much to make me feel like being more accomodating though.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:23 pm

I spoke to soon, it turns out Craig Murray does have a longer piece about New Labour's dangerous level of influence over BBC Scotland. He has a great idea about how to sort it out as well:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/ ... be-curbed/
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby conniption » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:28 pm



Uploaded on Feb 2, 2012

In the autumn of 2014 a referendum for Scottish independence will take place. Which will be 700 years Since the battle of banockburn.

The Battle of Bannockburn (Blr Allt a' Bhonnaich in Scottish Gaelic) (24 June 1314) was a significant Scottish victory in the Wars of Scottish Independence. It was the decisive battle in the First War of Scottish Independence. Edward came to Scotland in the high summer of 1314 with the preliminary aim of relieving Stirling Castle: the real purpose, of course, was to find and destroy the Scottish army in the field, and thus end the war. England, for once, was largely united in this ambition, although some of Edward's greatest magnates and former enemies, headed by his cousin, Thomas of Lancaster, did not attend in person, sending the minimum number of troops they were required to by feudal law.

Even so, the force that left Berwick-upon-Tweed on 17 June 1314 was impressive: it comprised between 2,0003,000 horse (probably closer to 2,000) and 16,000 foot. The precise size relative to the Scottish forces is unclear but estimates range from as much as at least two or three times the size of the army Bruce had been able to gather, to as little as only 50% larger. Edward was accompanied by many of the seasoned campaigners of the Scottish wars, headed by Aymer de Valence, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, and veterans like Henry de Beaumont and Robert de Clifford, 1st Baron de Clifford. The most irreconcilable of Bruce's Scottish enemies also came: Ingram de Umfraville, a former Guardian of Scotland, and his kinsman the Earl of Angus, as well as others of the MacDougalls, MacCanns and Sir John Comyn of Badenoch, the only son of the Red Comyn, who was born and raised in England and was now returning to Scotland to avenge his father's killing by Bruce at Greyfriars Kirk in Dumfries in 1306. This was a grand feudal army, one of the last of its kind to leave England in the Middle Ages.

King Robert awaited its arrival south of Stirling near the Bannock Burn in Scotland. Bruce's army, like William Wallace's before him, was chiefly composed of infantry armed with long spears. It was divided into three main (infantry) formations, a force of light cavalry, and the camp followers . There now occurred one of the most memorable episodes in Scottish history. Henry de Bohun, nephew of the Earl of Hereford, was riding ahead of his companions when he caught sight of the Scottish king. De Bohun lowered his lance and began a charge that carried him to lasting fame. King Robert was mounted on a small palfrey and armed only with a battle-axe. He had no armour on. As de Bohun's great war-horse thundered towards him, he stood his ground, watched with mounting anxiety by his own army. With the Englishman only feet away, Bruce turned aside, stood in his stirrups and hit the knight so hard with his axe that he split his helmet and head in two. This small incident became in a larger sense a symbol of the war itself: the one side heavily armed but lacking agility; the other highly mobile and open to opportunity.

The Highland Clearances is still a very emotive subject to many people, in many parts of the world, today. It consistently provokes people to take sides and has led to deep, and sometimes acrimonious academic debate. Some historians try to give the topic an objectivity, by associating it with a process of economic and agricultural change which was widespread across Europe at the time. It is undoubtedly a part of the Agricultural and Industrial Revolution of the late 18th and early 19th century. And yet it is much more than that. Other writers are corruscating in their condemnation of the process - seeing it as an early version of 'ethnic cleansing'. The Clearances undoubtedly stemmed in part from the attempt by the British establishment to destroy, once and for all, the archaic, militaristic Clan System, which had facilitated the Jacobite risings of the early part of the 18th century. This approach, however, also over-simplifies the issues involved.



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Published on Oct 1, 2012

The first Baffies music video. A comedy song about the Scottish independence referendum which is happening in 2014.

The Baffies are Dave Hume, Alan Robertson, Alan Wharton and Dave Wharton.




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viciouswolf1111 2 months ago

I thought it was pretty funny, but help me out here, what is the view of independence from this video. I don't see anybody taking the mick out of Lamont, Davidson or Cameron?

TheJRP298 1 month ago

Glad you enjoyed it. To answer your question, this video is a light-hearted take on the independence debate. It is not intended to take sides or promote one point of view over another. Also, we are not making fun OF Alex Salmond but having fun WITH him and, if he has the sense of humour often attributed to him, he should find it a laugh. (There's no knowing whether he has even seen it or not, of course!)
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:42 am

Hey Conniption, you reminded me of a vid I made ages ago, about the BBC bias against Salmond and independence. It's (hopefully) funny, but pretty accurate as well. Didn't even have to edit it that much.

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:32 am

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*sigh*

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This appeared on the front of the Scotland on Sunday magazine on the 7th of April, which some may know as Yom Hashoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day. Stay classy, Scottish media.

The article inside is actually a pretty interesting recounting of how fascism tried (and mostly failed, outside of the aristocracy) to get a foothold in Scotland in the pre-WW2 period and during the war itself. Unfortunately it also has some less well-written paragraphs inserted in a blatant attempt to accuse the SNP leadership of the time of pro-Nazi sympathies (at worst, a few of them were in favour of appeasement, which was one of the few things they had in common with the British Prime Minister). It also has a truly miserable excuse for a sign off which tries very hard to equate the modern SNP with the British National Party (obviously the two are diametrically opposed).

The article goes to some lengths to avoid mentioning that by far the highest-ranking and most dangerous pro-Nazi sympathizer in Scotland at the time was a Scottish Unionist Party MP - Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay. And it also fails to point out that the area where the British Union of Fascists had their greatest success in terms of recruitment (Dumfreis and Galloway) remains staunchly unionist, conservative, and loyalist to this day - the SNP have never had much electoral success in that constituency, in fact it is the only part of Scotland that still elects a Tory MP.
Oh, and the article has no mention of the Klan in it anywhere - that was strictly for the headline.

Not much to say about it really. It was always going to come to this. The "open and honest debate" that unionists were calling for a few months back has not gone very well for them so far, particularly online, even with the full weight of the media behind their cause, and so the old smears are being wheeled out and dusted off.

Two interesting historical points I'd like to add for no real reason : Scotland has had it's own distinct legal system for more than 800 years, and is the only country in Europe that has never had an anti-semitic law on it's statute books during that time. Many jews fled here after the Expulsion from England in 1290. Well, not that many actually. But a few anyway.

Pre-Union, Scots' Law allowed black people to testify against white people in court. This was considered insane at the time, and obviously there weren't many black people around to do the testifying, but it was technically possible at any rate. The idea of such a thing caused much merriment among our more civillized neighbours, including France.

Of course there are racial problems in modern Scotland, I would be the last to deny that. But to try and paint the SNP as a cause of it (particularly since they were the first party in the country to select an Asian Muslim MSP) is ... just bollocks.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby semper occultus » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:06 am

The American right and Scottish nationalism

By Steve James

3 February 1999

Staffordshire University research fellow, Dr. Euan Hague, spent four years in America researching the marketing of "Scottishness" by organisations such as the Scottish National Party and the Scottish Tourist Board. In a lecture delivered to the Royal Geographical Society, "The Production and Consumption of Scotland and Scottishness in the USA", he paid special attention to the celebration of "Scottish culture" and support for Scottish independence amongst America's right wing and fascist movements.

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The connection between the Southern right and Scotland has a historic progeny. The Ku Klux Klan is said to have been formed by emigrant Scots cavalry officers within the Confederate Army in 1860. Its oaths were imported from the Society of the Horseman's Word in North East Scotland, and the burning cross was used as a call to arms by Scottish clans in the fourteenth century. The Confederate flag bears a distinct resemblance to the Scots Saltire.

The sinister and openly fascistic Christian Identity is viewed as one of the more influential fascist networks in America. It has circulated 50,000 copies of the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath championing Scottish independence.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/02/scot-f03.html


...mebbe the Klan didn't go to Scotland but it seemd to work the other way though....the boys of the Provos are ( or were ) always something of a pin-up to alot of US neo-nazis too come to that...
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:13 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Dr. Euan Hague, spent four years in America researching the marketing of "Scottishness" by organisations such as the Scottish National Party and the Scottish Tourist Board....he paid special attention to the celebration of "Scottish culture" and support for Scottish independence amongst America's right wing and fascist movements.


Everybody's got to make a living somehow, I guess. That's an interesting article though - I knew Braveheart was popular among US white supremacists (it fits their historical narrative of burly son-of-the-soil white dudes being the most oppressed folk ever) but didn't know about the Society of the Horseman's Word. From what I'd heard the Klan was part-founded by Scots Orangemen, perhaps helping to explain it's anti-Catholic character. Orangemen have never exactly been in favour of independence...

You know me though - if you point out any failing in Scottish history or society, I'll shout "unionist!" at it. :lol:

I would really like to dismiss the American white supremacist embrace of "Celtic culture" as being every bit as dumb, superficial, and misguided as their lame interpretations of "Norse" culture, but there is definitely some cause for disquiet. More than once we've had one of these dunces stumble across a Scottish forum when we've been talking independence. They don't hang around long, and usually go from fraternal racial greetings to threats of gunfire within a few posts when they find out how (generally) lefty we are, but yeah, they exist.

You know what's the most worrying thing though? The fact that a crew as shockingly extreme and nonsensical as Christian Identity have 50,000 folk on their mailing list.

semper occultus wrote:....the boys of the Provos are ( or were ) always something of a pin-up to alot of US neo-nazis too come to that...


I'd love to see the neo-Nazi's reaction when they find out that many of the Provos are (or were) Marxist-influenced revolutionaries who spent their years in prison reading Lenin and Guevara. These guys are always setting themselves up for disappointment. :D

There's a big internet stushie going on right now about the background of the Better Together campaign's largest donor - a guy called Ian Taylor, CEO of Vitol, plc. He donated £500,000 to the pro-Union cause.

Allegedly Vitol (while he was at it's head) paid £1 million to Arkan, the Serbian war criminal, for services rendered in pushing through one of their deals in the region. Non-allegedly, Vitol also paid kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's oil company (SOMO) during the oil-for-food program, and were forced to pay a £17.5 million fine after they were found out (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... R93C668GWI). The company's also been avoiding tax for a decade. And Ian Taylor isn't even registered to vote in the referendum!

Worse still, Ian Taylor was one of the Tory donors who paid £50,000 for a dinner with David Cameron - and Vitol went on to play a big part in the liberation of Libya's oil.

What really concerns me most is that one of the Nat blogs who posted about this has been taken offline after receiving lawyer's letters from Ian Taylor's solicitors. Another has received a writ, but refuses to shut down. Shame the reform of the libel laws hasn't happened yet, if it ever will. The newspapers have picked up the story, though, just as the bloggers have been dragged off it.

Controversial background of No campaign donor

THE donor of half the £1.1 million raised by the No to independence campaign Better Together can be revealed today as a controversial oil trader who stands accused of cash-for-access to Downing Street.

Ian Taylor's Vitol international trading group also avoided UK tax and has been linked to dubious deals in Serbia, Iraq, Iran, and Libya.

Mr Taylor is president and chief executive of Vitol...

In 2001, The Observer revealed the firm paid £1 million to Serbian war criminal Arkan to sort out an oil deal with the regime of Slobodan Milosevic which had turned sour. Vitol said no illegal conduct was involved in this transaction.

In 2007, Vitol pled guilty in a New York court to paying surcharges to Iraq's national oil company during Saddam Hussein's regime, undermining the UN oil-for-food programme in Iraq. It paid fines, restitution and costs totalling $17.5m.

In September last year, Vitol admitted buying and selling Iranian oil in a deal with China, but its Swiss status meant it did not breach EU and US sanctions. Vitol has confirmed it has since ended all sales of oil to and from Iran and has not broken any trading sanctions.

During and after the Libyan conflict, Vitol played a controversial role, providing fuel to rebels and selling their raw product. These deals were said to have involved Foreign Office officials and International Development Minister Alan Duncan – a former friend and work colleague of Mr Taylor and the recipient of donations from him.

Last year, it was revealed that for a decade the company had been using Employee Benefit Trusts which avoided tax on incomes of its UK staff and was in discussion with HMRC about a deal to pay this off.

Mr Taylor, said to have donated more than £500,000 to the Tories, became a member of David Cameron's Leaders' Club, entitling him to attend a dinner at No 10 Downing Street in November 2011. It was claimed the £500m Libyan deal or Mr Duncan's (....Taylor's?...) role in it were not discussed.

SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson said: "This information is extremely serious and raises questions the No campaign must answer. Material in the public domain states that during his tenure as chief executive Mr Taylor's company paid $1m to Serbian war criminal Arkan, who was indicted at the Hague for crimes against humanity."

He said Arkan's crimes of ethnic cleansing were documented as far back as 2001, and included the massacre of 250 patients and staff in a hospital....

Vitol were not available for comment last night but, responding to wider allegations, a spokeswoman today said: "The company has taken legal advice and will take whatever steps are deemed necessary to have these inaccuracies corrected, and to prevent their further publication."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... r.20752120


Not sure how this one will play out. He might well have Streisanded himself here.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MinM » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:37 am

A few unrelated stories that sort of fit here...
Image @NESN: Report:Charlie Sheen Joined by Former MLB Player Todd Zeile in Scotland on Search for Loch Ness Monster http://wp.me/p2AlCJ-QBM
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The Open 2013: Muirfield will rightly be in the spotlight for its attitude to women members
The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers have their own way of doing things – and have since 1744. That much will become patently obvious next week when the great freedom fighters of the media descend upon the East Lothian links to continue their brave fight against the sexist fuddy-duddies.

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It will not so much be a losing battle as a pointless battle; when it comes to the club anyway. Muirfield do not give two honourable hoots what outsiders think of them. It is their club and will remain so until the land is reclaimed by coup or sea.

Certainly they will pay no attention to the boycott of Alex Salmond, Scotland’s First Minister. Anybody who saw Salmond’s pathetic unfurling of the Saltire in the Royal Box immediatedly after Andy Murray’s win at Wimbledon should have recognised him as just another politician determined to use sport as a promotional tool. Salmond cares as much about young girls taking up golf as Muirfield do.

With an institution as set in its ways as Muirfield it will always be about small steps. It is more welcoming than a few decades ago, both to women and competitors. There was a time when The Open participants were not always gladly received at Muirfield, especially Americans. These include Payne Stewart, who was refused a round prior to the 1992 Open despite having won the US Open the year before. Muirfield that day was completely empty.

Before the Open in 1987 Davis Love was informed he could play, but that his wife could not accompany him. “You just don’t feel welcome in the clubhouse the whole week,” Love told The New York Times.

I can testify to the discomfort, although as journalists are no longer granted the run of Muirfield clubhouse, my suffering is sadly over. In 2002, on entering the bar during a rare break on the first practice day a colleague and I were approached by an elderly member who demanded to view our credentials. “Press? Press?” he asked as if spitting out sour milk...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/t ... mbers.html

SPOOKY ANDY MURRAY; GAMES FIXED
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Andy Murray, from Dunblane in Scotland, and the UK Prime Minister David Cameron

2. "Sitting in the front row was Britain’s tennis-playing prime minister, David Cameron – just behind him was Alex Salmond, the Scottish first minister.

"With a referendum on Scottish independence coming up next year, both political leaders would dearly love to wrap this new sporting hero in the flag – the Scottish saltire in Salmond’s case, the Union Jack in Cameron’s case."

"Andy Murray referred to himself as the 'first British winner' in 77 years.

"Advantage Cameron." ...

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/07/s ... fixed.html

vanlose kid » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:46 pm wrote:
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....if this fella actually pulls it off tomorrow then I've heard Salmond can basically have whatever he wants in return for handing him over to the LTA....


that happened a while ago. and it fell through today.

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Federer killed him while Cameron was looking on.

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:45 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:03 am

Scottish independence: No chance for Yes - Silver

The Yes campaign has “virtually no chance” of victory in next year’s referendum on Scottish independence, according to one of America’s most-respected polling experts.

Nate Silver, the award-winning statistician who shot to fame when he correctly predicted the outcome of all 50 states in the 2012 US presidential elections, says all the indicators point towards Scots voting to stay in the UK on 18 September next year.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3042233
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