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eyeno wrote:jack you ever read any of those old stories about gold treasure? the ones where the people that help dig the hole to hide the treasure are shot and thrown in the hole with the treasure? many years later when the treasure is dug up there are bones in the hole with the treasure? pretty freaky isn't it? that shit always happens. pirate days, french revolution, russian revolution, you name it. these are interesting stories. the people manning the shovel always suspect they are such an integral part of the process that they are not expendable. gold for what it is, or is not, is what it is...same thing happens around it every single time. gold is hell, life is a bitch, and and the people that own it are some mean son of a bitches...
Elihu's choice of out-of-context fragment from JackRiddler wrote:
Do you propose a confiscation of all gold jewelry prior to this minting of new coins,
Elihu wrote:always the god-like power of the state with you isn't it?
Elihu also evaded the question, which I repeat
who said anything about a new ruling class? this is about dis-enfranchising the one we have now. above you quoted approvingly of the communist manifesto idea of a credit monopoly. we have a credit monopoly now. imho the world is now experiencing the fruit of 100 years of its existence. some people, like you apparently, mistakenly imho, think that a monopoly is okay if we could only get the proper humanitarians to run it. i think i stand on firm ground when i conclude that there is no such thing as a benevolent monopoly. it's an impossibility, a contradiction. they are all degenerative, unfair, exploitative, inefficient and in their penultimate stages, absurd, monstrous and dissolve into chaos. and the key element to understand is that all monopolies require the force of the state to exist long term. so they pervert the people's government.Should people who own a lot of jewelry be the new ruling class?
end prohibition. there won't be any etf's or a central bank. we have a fundamental mis-comprehension of economics. i'm trying to think of what things could be where you seem to be trying to apply the concepts to things as they are now. some seem to think controlling economics centrally can improve society after the fact. i am suggesting controlling society before the fact by freeing economics from central control and the currently enforced, institutionalized unfairness. the state still plays a paramount role, this is not anarchy. an interesting idea imo. if one connects it in any way to the world's situation today.What about the gold ETFs, should they get to corner the market on money itself? Should gold mine owners like George Bush Sr. (part owner of Barrick International) be the new central banks?
Germany to Move 674 Tons of Gold
FRANKFURT — Nearly half of Germany’s gold reserves are held in a vault at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York — billions of dollars worth of postwar geopolitical history squirreled away for safe keeping below the streets of Lower Manhattan.
Now the German central bank wants to make a big withdrawal — 300 tons in all.
On Wednesday, the Bundesbank said that it would begin moving some of the reserves, the second-largest stock in the world after that of the United States.
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For the great many Germans who still rue the day they had to trade their marks for euros, there has been at least one consolation. If the common currency did not work out, Germany still had huge reserves of the hardest currency of all: gold.
Except, as many people learned for the first time last year, it did not — at least not in the country itself.
More than two-thirds of Germany’s gold reserves, valued at 137 billion euros, or $183 billion, is abroad, stored in vaults in New York, Paris and London.
The new policy will include the complete withdrawal of 374 tons of German gold stored at the Banque de France in Paris, about 11 percent of the total. Bundesbank officials were quick to note that the decision was not a reflection of French trustworthiness. Rather, because France and Germany now share the euro, there is no need for reserves as insurance against currency crises.
“The gold in Paris is in the best of hands,” Mr. Thiele said on Wednesday. “We are thankful to the Bank of France for storing it.”
(heh. I used that trick once on a thief who i new had found my wallet.)
Still, news of the planned transfer caused some clucking in financial circles after news leaked out on Tuesday. “Central banks don’t trust each other?” William H. Gross, a founder and managing director of the investment firm Pimco, asked on Twitter.
(should they? If they're big enough then they're fully vested partners and it seems to me have no worries)
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Mr. Thiele acknowledged that Germans could get emotional about their gold, but he insisted that the Bundesbank made its decision to repatriate the treasure independently and not because of a public outcry last year after reports suggested the gold was not properly accounted for.
(Despite Mr. Thiele's claim here I suspect this transfer is largely domestic political theater for the germans)
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Mr. Thiele said that he and other Bundesbank officials personally visited the German gold abroad and that he was satisfied that it was all there.
(What would/could he say if it wasn't? If it wasn't and he said it was would anything change at all?)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/busin ... .html?_r=0
Germany to bring home some of its gold reserves
Then he showed a crowd of reporters some bars of gold, along with the tools used to check their purity.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ger ... story.html
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