Maybe Some People Are Just Evil?

[8bitagent]

We talk and speculate about black ops, mind control, syncs, etc. I'm no stranger to this. But maybe, some people are just, well "evil"? Pure sociopath. While normal people are on the toilet, in the shower, walking in the park or trying to sleep...they may have whimsical thoughts, worry or thinking of things theyre excited about or concern about people...some live eat shit and breathe evil. There may not be anything psychological to dig, an impetus or a long pattern of abuse.

I present to you this news story of the Ohio teen school shooter sentenced to life(a bit of a warning...the words and attitude of this kid is pretty fucking off the chart fucked up)


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03 ... rison?lite

An Ohio judge has sentenced T.J. Lane, the Ohio teen charged with shooting three students to death and wounding three others last February, to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Lane showed up to his sentencing wearing a white T-shirt with the word "KILLER" in capital letters scrawled on it -- the same word police say he had emblazoned on his shirt the day of the shootings at Chardon High School.

Lane, 18, pleaded guilty last month to all charges against him in the Feb. 27, 2012, shootings, in which he opened fire on a cafeteria table full of students in the rural community of Chardon.
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In a brief statement during his sentencing on Tuesday, Lane flipped his middle finger at people in the courtroom, which included family members of his victims, reported NBC affiliate WKYC.com. He revealed his "KILLER" T-shirt to the court once he was inside, taking off a blue button-down he had worn on the way in, the station reported.

Pool / The News-Herald via AP

T.J. Lane unbuttons his shirt during sentencing Tuesday in Chardon, Ohio.

Three students -- Demetrius Hewlin, 16; Russell King Jr., 17; and Daniel Parmertor, 16 -- were killed last February. Nate Mueller and Joy Rickers were wounded, as was Nick Walczak, who is paralyzed from the waist down, according to Reuters.

Lane has not given a motive for the shootings, which rocked the tiny town 30 miles outside Cleveland. He gave only a short, defiant statement in the courtroom on Tuesday: "This hand that pulled the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. F--- all of you."

Gasps were heard in the courtroom as Lane then proceeded to stick up his middle finger at both his own relatives and those of his victims, The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported. Some people started crying.

Geauga County Judge David Fuhry sentenced Lane to three life sentences without eligibility for parole for three counts of murder, plus 8 years for a fourth count of attempted aggravated murder, 6 years for a fifth count of attempted aggravated murder, and 6 years for a sixth count of felonious assault.

In handing him the sentences, Fuhry said Lane lacked remorse for the killings. Lane was ruled mentally competent enough to stand trial last year despite evidence he suffers from hallucinations and psychosis. Fuhry said Tuesday that court examinations showed Lane faked mental illness and was such a smart student that he was set to graduate from high school early, Reuters reported.

The families of the boys who died in the shooting have attended every one of Lane’s court hearings, The Plain Dealer said. Other victims' family members also attended Tuesday's sentencing, and read statements to the court ahead of Lane's sentencing.

"Because of you, our quiet little town will never be the same. Why? Why did you do it? Why?" Holly Walczak, mother of paralyzed victim Nick Walczak, said in court on Tuesday. Lane smiled as she read her statement, The Plain Dealer said.

Dina Parmertor, mother of slain victim of Daniel, said, "I want you to be ensured years and years of pain, which in my opinion is not enough. You don’t deserve to take another breath while my 16-year-old son lies in the ground because of your cold, disgusting actions."

"You’re a pathetic excuse for a human being. In fact, you're not even human. You’re a monster," she added, according to The Plain Dealer.

Lane's sister, Sadie, who was in Chardon High School's cafeteria when her brother opened fire, also spoke on Tuesday, talking to reporters outside of the courthouse after the sentencing.

"The brother in the courtroom and that did this is not the brother I knew," she said, offering her condolences to victims' families.

She described the moment she learned from a police officer who the shooter was last February.

“Along with other students, I heard the gunshots and screams, ran for my life, ducked under tables, hid in the teachers’ lounge, not knowing who the shooter was,” Sadie Lane said. "When those words hit me, I shook and cried and denied that all this could be true."
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She said she hoped for some good to come from the situation.

"It may be hard for some to understand, but I love my brother, and I hope he can touch other lives in a positive way," she said.

Lane lived with his grandparents and attended an alternative school for students who haven't succeeded in traditional schools. He was waiting for the bus to his school from Chardon High when he began shooting from a .22-caliber semiautomatic Ruger handgun last February, according to police reports.

He was taken into custody a short distance from where the shootings happened.

[Freitag]

Psychopaths fascinate me. How can a person have no empathy? I can't even imagine it. (Although, lack of empathy doesn't necessarily make someone evil. People on the autism spectrum can lack empathy, but not in a malignant way.)

I tend to believe evil is a real, outside force that acts upon human beings. If you have ever met a truly evil person, you know that you can feel the evil radiating from them. It will hit you like a brick wall. It's a force - not just a description of antisocial behavior (antisocial behavior is the result).

I think outside forces can influence us, and if we let them in, they can possess us. (I hate the fact that that sounds like Christianity - it's not.) The human nervous system is a home for consciousness (spirit, soul, entity - whatever) and there are invisible forces that want to get in.

That's why I'm concerned that we're wiring the planet with a kind of nervous system - what kind of entity will eventually inhabit it?

Anyway those are my general comments. Regarding this case, the kid is an obvious psychopath. And evil. And an asshole. And he'll rot in prison.

[justdrew]

And he'll rot in prison.

yes, but I'm not sure he needs to keep his hands while doing so.

[barracuda]

Teresa Hunt said her niece rode the school bus each day with Lane, and he displayed no warning signs of the violence allegedly to come.

"He was a really nice kid to her," Hunt said. "He wouldn't start up a conversation, but if she talked to him, he would hold the conversation with her.

She said her niece noted no personality changes in Lane in the weeks leading up to Monday's shooting.

Haley Kovacik, a friend who talked with Lane a few times a week, said the violence left her and others who knew him in "complete shock."

"He seemed like a very normal, just teenage boy," Kovacik said of Lane. "He did have a sad look in his eyes a lot of the time, but he talked normally, he never said anything strange."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/27/justice/o ... ng-suspect

[NeonLX]

The possibility that evil is an "outside force" is what led me back from what I thought of as pure atheism on my part to a studied agnosticism, with even some theistic overtones. I remember kind of asking myself, "what if there's more to it than just our material existence?". WHAMMO! My perspective swung around 180-degrees.

[8bitagent]

Oh I was simply talking about people with no conscience, not some sort of praeternatural occult stuff. However, nothing surprises me. I look at 9/11, Iraq war, holocaust, all the suffering...I wonder if its all really just short sighted men, hubris, etc.

But evil is everywhere. Last weekend in the city where I live, some young guy was walking home after a party and was beat to death by seemingly random attackers. The day Obama went to the Olympic committee to propose Chicago be the Olympic choice for 2016, teenage boys laughed and filmed eachother randomly finding a kid walking home from school and savagely beat him to death.

We're hearing how the media has been white washing the two males and jock culture who went dorm to dorm with a passed out female and engaged in sexual humilation. This is the same media that sold the public on knowable lies that resulted in millions of Iraqis being killed/wounded/displaced.

[8bitagent]

Psychopaths fascinate me. How can a person have no empathy? I can't even imagine it. (Although, lack of empathy doesn't necessarily make someone evil. People on the autism spectrum can lack empathy, but not in a malignant way.)

I tend to believe evil is a real, outside force that acts upon human beings. If you have ever met a truly evil person, you know that you can feel the evil radiating from them. It will hit you like a brick wall. It's a force - not just a description of antisocial behavior (antisocial behavior is the result).

I think outside forces can influence us, and if we let them in, they can possess us. (I hate the fact that that sounds like Christianity - it's not.) The human nervous system is a home for consciousness (spirit, soul, entity - whatever) and there are invisible forces that want to get in.

That's why I'm concerned that we're wiring the planet with a kind of nervous system - what kind of entity will eventually inhabit it?

Anyway those are my general comments. Regarding this case, the kid is an obvious psychopath. And evil. And an asshole. And he'll rot in prison.

Then there's also just general assholes, cunts, jerks and people who are self centered. My friend is a limo/lincoln driver(5 years now) and while she tells me funny stories of driving around well known directors/actors/musicians, she laments how often the most verbally abusive asshole people are those super rich elite corporate or political CEOS. I damn well believe all the Franklin stuff, as these folks are on another level.

But in general everyone knows young and older people who are just assholes. Asshole prick bosses, abusive husbands who are never stopped, Prissy acting cold women who think the world revolves around them and manipulate people. Then there's the enablers, and it's really just a richly woven tapestry of suckage...HENCE why when you do come across genuinely kind and helpful people, they shine all the more.

[82_28]

As a pacifist and anti-death penalty person, here's my recommendation: Kill him.

Fuck I hate sounding like a winger, but with behavior like that and given the circumstances of the crimes, he needs to die.

Yet!!!!

I bet a bunch of wingers really dig his attitude. The same wingers who are totally all over THE DEATH PENALTY I bet just dig this guy and would fight for his right to live.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I tend to believe evil is a real, outside force that acts upon human beings. If you have ever met a truly evil person, you know that you can feel the evil radiating from them. It will hit you like a brick wall.

I tend to believe evil is real, too, but I have a much more predatory perspective on it, I suppose. I know the feeling you're talking about but I don't think it's the result of an actual Evil™ Forcefield so much as an evolved response in the human organism -- the hairless primate -- to recognize, viscerally, when you're faced with someone who is aware of the fact they could kill and eat you. A non-socialized hive rogue, in other words -- which, after all, is a suitable description of all "psychopath" means in a safe civilization.

I would also submit that instinctive response is an unqualified good, a genetic boon. One that gets listened to very seldom, my least favorite commonality in victim testimony of all genders, circumstances and nationalities is how many of us, in our guts, knew better.

"The knowledge that Evil must be destroyed and the realization that it never could be."

[justdrew]

As a pacifist and anti-death penalty person, here's my recommendation: Kill him.

Fuck I hate sounding like a winger, but with behavior like that and given the circumstances of the crimes, he needs to die.

Yet!!!!

I bet a bunch of wingers really dig his attitude. The same wingers who are totally all over THE DEATH PENALTY I bet just dig this guy and would fight for his right to live.

nope, they want that escape, far more fitting to keep him in prison til he dies of old age. Like I said tho, he doesn't NEED to keep the hands.

[Freitag]

My friend is a limo/lincoln driver(5 years now) and while she tells me funny stories of driving around well known directors/actors/musicians, she laments how often the most verbally abusive asshole people are those super rich elite corporate or political CEOS. I damn well believe all the Franklin stuff, as these folks are on another level.

Yep. And the worst drivers tend to be in Mercedeses, BMWs, etc.

I didn't mean to imply that all jerks are under some kind of demonic influence. I was thinking of the extreme cases. I do wonder whether antisocial behavior is on the rise, or whether it's just more visible due to the internet. It's possible that internet trolling has spilled out into real life. My gut feeling is that the human race has the same proportion of assholes it has always had. Their environment determines which of their natural tendencies are suppressed, and which are encouraged. With the internet being a new variable in that equation.

I tend to believe evil is a real, outside force that acts upon human beings. If you have ever met a truly evil person, you know that you can feel the evil radiating from them. It will hit you like a brick wall.

I tend to believe evil is real, too, but I have a much more predatory perspective on it, I suppose. I know the feeling you're talking about but I don't think it's the result of an actual Evil™ Forcefield so much as an evolved response in the human organism -- the hairless primate -- to recognize, viscerally, when you're faced with someone who is aware of the fact they could kill and eat you. A non-socialized hive rogue, in other words -- which, after all, is a suitable description of all "psychopath" means in a safe civilization.

Right, which could be the case to a great extent, and explain most of the vibes people get. I think it goes beyond that, but don't want to pile on the woo if it's not the direction 8bit wanted the thread to go. And my "outside" force might not be outside at all - it could be an archetypal energy created by humanity collectively. I picture rivers and oceans of it flowing around the planet, finding, like water, the cracks and paths of least resistance, carving out, in some cases, grand canyons through which it can flow, when the individual loses all identity, and becomes merely a channel. Damn this is good weed.

[8bitagent]

@Freitag: Woo away! RI seemed to lose the woo when the blogs stopped. The topic of "evil" is vast as a thousand different opinions on a gallery painting.

[82_28]

As a pacifist and anti-death penalty person, here's my recommendation: Kill him.

Fuck I hate sounding like a winger, but with behavior like that and given the circumstances of the crimes, he needs to die.

Yet!!!!

I bet a bunch of wingers really dig his attitude. The same wingers who are totally all over THE DEATH PENALTY I bet just dig this guy and would fight for his right to live.

nope, they want that escape, far more fitting to keep him in prison til he dies of old age. Like I said tho, he doesn't NEED to keep the hands.

I don't want him tortured, but he needs to be taught a lesson and that is, you die when you kill innocent people and flip off their families while in court. Had he not done that, I would not even be "concerned" about justice. Fuck that guy. He fucking killed people and now we've seen the rest. Let these fuckers escape. I wish I could. But I can't. I can't fucking escape the planet of their brutality and apologetics for the behavior. I would love to! His Earthly soul needs to be purged from our plane of existence. Not to "send a message", but it needs to be gone. Purge that fucker and then pray for his soul. You don't flip off families of people you killed loved ones of. I consider it worse than the murders themselves. Fuck this guy. Die, chief.

[8bitagent]

As a pacifist and anti-death penalty person, here's my recommendation: Kill him.

Fuck I hate sounding like a winger, but with behavior like that and given the circumstances of the crimes, he needs to die.

Yet!!!!

I bet a bunch of wingers really dig his attitude. The same wingers who are totally all over THE DEATH PENALTY I bet just dig this guy and would fight for his right to live.

nope, they want that escape, far more fitting to keep him in prison til he dies of old age. Like I said tho, he doesn't NEED to keep the hands.

I don't want him tortured, but he needs to be taught a lesson and that is, you die when you kill innocent people and flip off their families while in court. Had he not done that, I would not even be "concerned" about justice. Fuck that guy. He fucking killed people and now we've seen the rest. Let these fuckers escape. I wish I could. But I can't. I can't fucking escape the planet of their brutality and apologetics for the behavior. I would love to! His Earthly soul needs to be purged from our plane of existence. Not to "send a message", but it needs to be gone. Purge that fucker and then pray for his soul. You don't flip off families of people you killed loved ones of. I consider it worse than the murders themselves. Fuck this guy. Die, chief.

Some cases really get to me. That lawyer whose wife and two daughters were raped/tortured/burned alive in a home invasion, I 100% believe those two deserve a bullet to the brain. However I am against the electric chair, noose, gas chamber, and lethal injection and find those grotesque.

Well I look at this case from 1997. Two 18 year old seniors go to Las Vegas with one of the friends dads. They think it'd be neat to lure a 7 year old little black girl into the mens bathroom. From there they rape and kill the little girl, then quietly walk away like they had just played a game or something. One of the guys named David King somehow gets off on a bizarre technicality, then somehow goes on a radio show and shows the most callous flippant attitude and graduates with high honor at UC Berkeley. I remember in the 90's this cannibal serial killer appeared on Japanese talk shows as some sort of celebrity.
Look at people like one guy from Canada whom they caught in a German cafe. Young, pure pure evil.

Then you have things like that marine who raped a family and burned em to death in Iraq. Or the guy who went door to door and killed 16 Afghan civilians for fun. This was so rampant over there but we see it through
the lens of immorality bred out of immoral conflicts. Perhaps the most insane is the 2002 German case where a guy found his victims willingly, to be cannibalized alive from an underground fetish forum.

Finally all throughout Mexico millennia of inhuman brutality and the most shocking horror ever done is done on a daily basis in the "Drug wars" by cartels and gangs. Or ya look at the unspeakable crimes done
in the Congo, Kenya, Uganda, Swaziland. It never ends.

Yet, I also find the video game like drone killings to be similar if not more evil, because those young joystick jockeys think what theyre doing is as normal as passing notes. The Ohio shooting guy KNOWS he's evil and is basking in it. Not to "out Buddhist" anyone(Im not a Buddhist), but my OCD has me put bugs in a cup or paper and gently release them back inside. UFC and boxing sickens me. I cant watch movies with a lot of punching of beatings or torture. I believe real gore sites should be considered in the same illegality as underage smut. Again, I dont get this culture.

Che had an execution squad of those he felt were oppressors, but in a way I kind of agree with Fox News pundits that he then became the very thing he hated. Still...I agree...it's blood boilingly maddening
to see this sort of stuff. When the verdict came down in the Pauly Klauss case from Petaluma California(if you recall, the father who looked like Kevin Costner), the accused made a horrifically profane statement to the grieving father.

[Weather Balloons]

Holy christ. I've been a lurker on this board for over 2 years and this thread has been the most disheartening read I've had yet by a wide margin. Where is all of this rage and bloodlust coming from on y'alls part?

Put a bullet in his brain.
Cut off his hands.

How many people die each day due to each of our's indifference? For instance, how many starving people could you have kept alive by simply spending less money on any number of things (food, shelter, clothes, you name it) and donating the difference towards feeding the starving? I bet I've indirectly killed a few hundred people at least in my lifetime. Which certainly makes me an asshole in many regards, but I don't really feel like it's justified to call for a bullet to my head because of it.

What this kid did was fucked up, so is spending $10 on a meal when there are people starving to death.
I've spent $10 on a meal before.
Many times.
And yes, it's fucked up.
Deserving of reactions calling for my blood?
Well, in some sense yeah, sure, why not?
Mostly not though.
Seems far from a one-sided argument at the very least.

I'm not trying to defend this guy's actions in any way, I'm just trying to put some perspective on the reactions I've seen.
Sorry for rambling and being combative and whatnot.
Feel free to call me an asshole and tear my argument to shreds.
It's the only way I'll learn.