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Postby Mask » Wed May 08, 2013 8:56 pm

semper occultus wrote:...well of course "The Boston Bombing" did not "..take place.." in the Baudrillardian sense of the term but exactly how false do you want your false flag to be ?

....faking the whole thing does sound a little over-elaborate & prone to risk of discovery compared to just blowing some random people up given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved & whatever parapolitical effect was envisaged from pulling this particualar lever ( promoting an increase in the panoptic surveillance infrastructure seems most likely )

...the recurring issue of the use of drills in these events seems the key point here....


QFT, from page 15, because this post seems to have been ignored.

So, why would they fake the whole thing? Seems preposterous to me.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 9:09 pm

Mask wrote:
semper occultus wrote:...well of course "The Boston Bombing" did not "..take place.." in the Baudrillardian sense of the term but exactly how false do you want your false flag to be ?

....faking the whole thing does sound a little over-elaborate & prone to risk of discovery compared to just blowing some random people up given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved & whatever parapolitical effect was envisaged from pulling this particualar lever ( promoting an increase in the panoptic surveillance infrastructure seems most likely )

...the recurring issue of the use of drills in these events seems the key point here....


QFT, from page 15, because this post seems to have been ignored.

So, why would they fake the whole thing? Seems preposterous to me.


you want the actual reason? Impossible to tell at the moment.

why did they fake a story about a stupid movie being the reason for the Benghazi attack on the State Department Special Missions Compound?

Why did they fake the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?

Why did they fake Yellow Cake and roving weapons labs evidence ?

We know the answers to the latter questions now. In time we'll find out the answer to this one, too, if it was faked (and by that I mean set up, managed, not that there was no device that would go boom)
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Postby Jerky » Wed May 08, 2013 9:29 pm

What "facts" pray tell? That absolutely RIDICULOUS McGowan piece? Give us a fucking break, bro.

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 9:42 pm

Jerky wrote:What "facts" pray tell? That absolutely RIDICULOUS McGowan piece? Give us a fucking break, bro.

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Canadian_watcher wrote:our posts with evidence and facts go "unnoticed" - it's part of the gate keeping strategy


is it possible for you to be civil when you address me? I'm not asking for much.

No, I didn't post the McGowan piece. For the record, though, it raises interesting questions but I can see you disagree so no need to restate your opinion.

I've posted about the government concocting wild false flags (fake events) and also carrying them out. I can't tell right now if Boston or any other event will turn out to be a false flag, but neither can you. It'd be nice if someone acknowledged that yes, this has happened before, and yes, people were fooled and probably argued vehemently that the government would NEVER DO THAT because it DOESN:T MAKE ANY SENSE at those times, too.
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Postby Jerky » Wed May 08, 2013 9:53 pm

Apologies for my harsh lingo, but there is absolutely nothing of value or consequence in the McGowan piece. Just as there is nothing of consequence or value in ANYTHING he's ever written (about, for instance, the Moon landing "hoax", or the Laurel Canyon "psyop").

He's a goon. And he's never been goonier than re: Boston. And I HAVE READ HIM, so this is not me spouting off uninformed. He commits every sin of the InfoWars type "conspiracy" writer, mocking the "sheeple" when it is he and his ilk who are among the wooliest sheeple of them all.

No personal affront intended.

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Jerky wrote:What "facts" pray tell? That absolutely RIDICULOUS McGowan piece? Give us a fucking break, bro.

Jerky

Canadian_watcher wrote:our posts with evidence and facts go "unnoticed" - it's part of the gate keeping strategy


is it possible for you to be civil when you address me? I'm not asking for much.

No, I didn't post the McGowan piece. For the record, though, it raises interesting questions but I can see you disagree so no need to restate your opinion.

I've posted about the government concocting wild false flags (fake events) and also carrying them out. I can't tell right now if Boston or any other event will turn out to be a false flag, but neither can you. It'd be nice if someone acknowledged that yes, this has happened before, and yes, people were fooled and probably argued vehemently that the government would NEVER DO THAT because it DOESN:T MAKE ANY SENSE at those times, too.
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby Mask » Wed May 08, 2013 10:02 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
Mask wrote:
semper occultus wrote:...well of course "The Boston Bombing" did not "..take place.." in the Baudrillardian sense of the term but exactly how false do you want your false flag to be ?

....faking the whole thing does sound a little over-elaborate & prone to risk of discovery compared to just blowing some random people up given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved & whatever parapolitical effect was envisaged from pulling this particualar lever ( promoting an increase in the panoptic surveillance infrastructure seems most likely )

...the recurring issue of the use of drills in these events seems the key point here....


QFT, from page 15, because this post seems to have been ignored.

So, why would they fake the whole thing? Seems preposterous to me.


you want the actual reason? Impossible to tell at the moment.

why did they fake a story about a stupid movie being the reason for the Benghazi attack on the State Department Special Missions Compound?

Why did they fake the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?

Why did they fake Yellow Cake and roving weapons labs evidence ?

We know the answers to the latter questions now. In time we'll find out the answer to this one, too, if it was faked (and by that I mean set up, managed, not that there was no device that would go boom)


We're talking about a very different kind of fake here, don't we? Namely, the use of crisis actor faking wounds and injuries in broad daylight, in crowded Boston (with all sorts of cameras all around (TV, smartphone, etc.)), in a shocking "terrorist attack" that's gonna be broadcasted all around the world in all sorts of media.

So, again, why would they go to such risky length when they can just blow some random people* up, given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved (as semper said)?

*No disrespect meant here, obviously.
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Postby FourthBase » Wed May 08, 2013 10:04 pm

And though we were told that there were numerous people who lost limbs that day, he is the only one the media chose to put in the spotlight that day.


That is just blatantly untrue.
McGowan does great work, often.
Which is why this hoax article is really unnerving.
He's going to wind up ruining his reputation. Why?
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Postby compared2what? » Wed May 08, 2013 10:12 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:]why did they fake a story about a stupid movie being the reason for the Benghazi attack on the State Department Special Missions Compound?


I don't see how that's an example of faking.

Why did they fake the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?


Cause for war, immediately obvious as such since that's how it was presented from the get, that being its raison d'etre.

No fakery of a crisis-actor kind was involved. And I'm not sure any was. More like misrepresentation/lying.

Why did they fake Yellow Cake and roving weapons labs evidence ?


Cause for war, immediately obvious as such and again openly admitted, plus openly called invalid by some at the time.

To the extent that anything was faked there, it was documentation, not whole events.

We know the answers to the latter questions now. In time we'll find out the answer to this one, too, if it was faked (and by that I mean set up, managed, not that there was no device that would go boom)


It was stone obvious what aims were being advanced by all three of those things the instant they hove into view. WRT Iraq (and in a different way, Benghazi) it was even obvious what realities they were trying to put a more politically advantageous face on.

Honestly, even the Gulf of Tonkin incident was obviously being capitalized on because it provided a politically unbeatable justification for war at the time, insofar as it wouldn't necessarily have been all that big of a deal if they'd chosen not to make it one.***

So all of that not only begs the question, but raises another:

Why do you think they went to all that trouble and risk for no readily apparent reason when there's such ample evidence that it's no sweat for them to achieve their aims with one or two well-chosen falsehoods and half-truths that can't ever really be shown to have been deliberate even when the facts are known?
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***ON EDIT: Apologies. That's wrong in letter though not in spirit. It was suspected at the time, though not widely. And the details were widely wrongly reported. But there was never any question about what the consequences were. Johnson said there was an attack and asked for war powers. It was an election year. As far as I know, there's never been a time when most people who thought about it at all thought politicians were necessarily telling the truth about anything. Or that they did stuff like that when they didn't want something more from it than their stated reasons suggested. And none of that was opaque. It was right there.
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 10:18 pm

Mask wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:
Mask wrote:
semper occultus wrote:...well of course "The Boston Bombing" did not "..take place.." in the Baudrillardian sense of the term but exactly how false do you want your false flag to be ?

....faking the whole thing does sound a little over-elaborate & prone to risk of discovery compared to just blowing some random people up given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved & whatever parapolitical effect was envisaged from pulling this particualar lever ( promoting an increase in the panoptic surveillance infrastructure seems most likely )

...the recurring issue of the use of drills in these events seems the key point here....


QFT, from page 15, because this post seems to have been ignored.

So, why would they fake the whole thing? Seems preposterous to me.


you want the actual reason? Impossible to tell at the moment.

why did they fake a story about a stupid movie being the reason for the Benghazi attack on the State Department Special Missions Compound?

Why did they fake the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?

Why did they fake Yellow Cake and roving weapons labs evidence ?

We know the answers to the latter questions now. In time we'll find out the answer to this one, too, if it was faked (and by that I mean set up, managed, not that there was no device that would go boom)


We're talking about a very different kind of fake here, don't we? Namely, the use of crisis actor faking wounds and injuries in broad daylight, in crowded Boston (with all sorts of cameras all around (TV, smartphone, etc.)), in a shocking "terrorist attack" that's gonna be broadcasted all around the world in all sorts of media.

So, again, why would they go to such risky length when they can just blow some random people* up, given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved (as semper said)?

*No disrespect meant here, obviously.


thanks, no disrespect suspected. :)

I don't know how fake the fake was, if you know what I mean. Personally I have not seen footage that makes me feel certain about any of it and what I have seen from photos with appearing and disappearing people and mailboxes, it makes me wonder if there weren't maybe two wholly separate events: a drill (maybe carried out on a different day altogether) in which some pictures were taken and then the bombing event on the day itself. all I know is that the photos and video - and some witness testimony - doesn't sit right with me. It got me particularly interested when we were all told by the FBI not to look at other pictures. I mean - WTF? why not? Would our looking at other pictures somehow confuse law enforcement?

Anyway there most definitely are anomalies in the photos which admittedly might have been faked in some way. the main video by Steve Silva bothers me because he goes out of his way NOT to show what any trained cameraman would zoom in on. More than anything, though, it is the REFUSAL of people to even consider some of these things that has me worried about the direction of the US if not North America and maybe the whole English speaking world.

And likely they *did* blow up some real live innocent people - it appears that they did do that. All I'm saying is that maybe they ALSO had fakes around for the photo ops. and for cover, just in case. Don't get me wrong, it seems like it'd be almost impossible to get that many people to shut the fuck up about it, but maybe not.. I don't know how many people work for Homeland Security or the CIA or other covert agencies that might just need the work - or might be compromised or were threatened or are just people who might believe with their whole hearts and souls that playing the part of a 'passerby' will be the best thing they could ever do for their country.

thanks for letting me put this out there. It's appreciated.

EDIT: and, let's not forget that we don't know who the THEY might be. I wonder if it's not an attempt to make the whole government/FBI look bad - I mean REALLY bad. so.. yeah, I just don't know.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 08, 2013 10:22 pm

conniption wrote:you can edit all day without the notification so long as no one has posted anything after what you wrote. Once someone posts after you, it shows the edit, unless you're barracuda. (You probably already knew that, though.)



barracuda admitted his mistake when you pointed it out.

he said he got it wrong and typed emory instead of MacGawon. o9r whatever the fuck his name is. it ain't Shane, or Mark so I don't care.

BTW This whole thread is a WTF moment.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 08, 2013 10:27 pm

Mask wrote:So, again, why would they go to such risky length when they can just blow some random people* up, given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved (as semper said)?


Just in case anyone missed it.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 10:29 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
Mask wrote:So, again, why would they go to such risky length when they can just blow some random people* up, given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved (as semper said)?


Just in case anyone missed it.


I just answered it two or three posts ago, Joe. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT.
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Postby compared2what? » Wed May 08, 2013 10:34 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:our posts with evidence and facts go "unnoticed" - it's part of the gate keeping strategy


I haven't seen that happening. But I regret it. What's been offered as fact/eviidence that hasn't been noticed and responded to?
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 10:38 pm

War of attrition is exactly right.
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Postby compared2what? » Wed May 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:
Mask wrote:So, again, why would they go to such risky length when they can just blow some random people* up, given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved (as semper said)?


Just in case anyone missed it.


I just answered it two or three posts ago, Joe. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT.


But your response didn't include an explanation of what made the risky lengths worthwhile when there were more expedient alternatives.

So that's still an open question.
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