Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

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Postby FourthBase » Sat May 11, 2013 7:14 pm

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Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Sure. For a long time there, Republicans got a little addicted to winning.*

And, like any addict, they eventually needed a fix. (Really, really bad about now, as it turns out.)

Benghazi is the Republican Party, digging through the trash for empties, hoping desperately that something's there.


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* Even though practically everything they "won" came at the expense of just about every ideal Americans say they hold dear.


Or, conversely, possibly: Planting a real IED-bottle in the trash in order to frame someone later.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby JackRiddler » Sat May 11, 2013 9:50 pm

Sure, it's possible. That it's a fix. The trouble I'm having is in seeing why it's so important. Think of all that's happened since last September. The fucking subways here got flooded and they're about to approve the pipeline - we're talking environmental genocides underway.

So here's the real top-level collusion wrt Benghazi: to pretend that this stuff is this important. Even if we go by the usual standard formula (One Precious American Service Fighter Abroad=ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND ALL SPECIES ON EARTH COMBINED), didn't five soldiers get blown up in Afghanistan just the other day? Isn't that 20 percent more important than whatever the fuck happened in the Libyan warzone last fall to some of the people who helped to turn Libya into a warzone? Everywhere in the world where the USG creates warzones (including at home) you also have, in addition to masses of dead native civilians, some number of USG casualties.

Although I've done zero research on Boston, and cannot possibly do any, I have to confess learning that Zhokar's (sp?) project advisor was a CIA academic with connections to neocons including Ledeen and the pro-Chechen-rebel lobby is a lot more fucking interesting than anything to do with this Benghazi wankery -- obvious Republican-campaign fake-scandal wank-fest with the usual hypernationalist, paranoid and confusionist rhetoric in the tradition of WND-Judicial Watch-Kenneth Starr, etc. Actually, I should say: in the tradition of HUAC and McCarthy. Same old shit. Absolute sinkhole.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Julian the Apostate » Sat May 11, 2013 10:37 pm

slimmouse wrote:
Julian the Apostate wrote:The admin should have just told the truth about the situation from the beginning. Granted the Repubs would have jumped all over them for it anyway, but they could have explained that mistakes were made, and that it was impossible to save the ambassador and the others who died. The real problem for them, as I see it, is not what occurred, but that they lied about it, making up that story about the video and changing the talking points. They should have just come clean at the beginning, and I think the american people would have supported the administration. As such, they made it much worse, and I can't really sympathize with them getting hammered over it.


Surely it becomes important at some point to understand the stupidity of all of this discussion, given that the Benghazi incident can be almost directly attributed to the fiscal support and consent of people from within the US administration on all sides of the house , as if that body were a matter of relevance to anyone other than the select few,

Thats what I call blowback. And its something that the neither the average US citizen or the rest of humanity really wants.



Not really following you, sorry. Could you please explain?
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Sun May 12, 2013 12:12 am

JackRiddler wrote:Sure, it's possible. That it's a fix. The trouble I'm having is in seeing why it's so important. Think of all that's happened since last September. The fucking subways here got flooded and they're about to approve the pipeline - we're talking environmental genocides underway.

So here's the real top-level collusion wrt Benghazi: to pretend that this stuff is this important. Even if we go by the usual standard formula (One Precious American Service Fighter Abroad=ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND ALL SPECIES ON EARTH COMBINED), didn't five soldiers get blown up in Afghanistan just the other day? Isn't that 20 percent more important than whatever the fuck happened in the Libyan warzone last fall to some of the people who helped to turn Libya into a warzone? Everywhere in the world where the USG creates warzones (including at home) you also have, in addition to masses of dead native civilians, some number of USG casualties.

Although I've done zero research on Boston, and cannot possibly do any, I have to confess learning that Zhokar's (sp?) project advisor was a CIA academic with connections to neocons including Ledeen and the pro-Chechen-rebel lobby is a lot more fucking interesting than anything to do with this Benghazi wankery -- obvious Republican-campaign fake-scandal wank-fest with the usual hypernationalist, paranoid and confusionist rhetoric in the tradition of WND-Judicial Watch-Kenneth Starr, etc. Actually, I should say: in the tradition of HUAC and McCarthy. Same old shit. Absolute sinkhole.


Since you and justdrew and slad are so sure that it's not that important because look it's the vile Republicans lodging the conspiracy theories so of course it's bullshit and...oh, well, even if they manufactured the whole damn thing from scratch it's not that important because [insert tasteless importance pissing-contest] so what's the point of even paying attention to whatever is supposed to be so important...then, uh...how do you know it's not important, if you've already known from the beginning it wasn't important enough to be worth really investigating its importance?

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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby justdrew » Sun May 12, 2013 12:22 am

riiiiiiiight. I'm not paying any attention.

4thB, why don't YOU summarize the republican claims you find so compelling? I've furnished you an entire alternative theory (complete with body) regarding what went down there.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Sun May 12, 2013 12:34 am

justdrew wrote:riiiiiiiight. I'm not paying any attention.

4thB, why don't YOU summarize the republican claims you find so compelling? I've furnished you an entire alternative theory (complete with body) regarding what went down there.


To be honest, I find most of their claims about that day's events compelling. In the sense that I feel like it's usually worth listening to perps when they try to project blame onto others, when they weep fake tears, etc. Plane, stood down. By who, though? And, doesn't really matter how effective it would have been. Security guard at the consulate, a turncoat accomplice in the attack. Who did he really work for? Obviously not a video-fueled attack, from minute one, so all the video talking points were, in fact, lies. But whose lies, initially, and why? And those mobs, those cells really, who hired them, and who hired the hirers? There were a shitload of security officers and armed CIA agents in the immediate vicinity, weren't there? Where the fuck did they run off to? Too busy burning documents to help the American diplomats and poor bloody-handed mercs? Too busy shoving their torture victims into acid baths? Hillary signed off on which waivers for security relaxation, but on whose recommendations, carried out by whom? Shall I go on? Or are you going to keep mistaking me as some right-winger dookie-eater?
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby justdrew » Sun May 12, 2013 12:41 am

dude :eeyaa

you can find answers to all those questions (Well, with the exception of how cash was flowing to the various attacking militants). Did you know a plane did carry in reinforcements from Tripoli to Benghazi?

Have you read any articles rebutting the fox news agenda? Because you're soaked in it.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Sun May 12, 2013 1:23 am

justdrew wrote:dude :eeyaa

you can find answers to all those questions (Well, with the exception of how cash was flowing to the various attacking militants). Did you know a plane did carry in reinforcements from Tripoli to Benghazi?

Have you read any articles rebutting the fox news agenda? Because you're soaked in it.


Ask 8bit about the Fox agenda re: Saudis and 9/11, sometimes Fox is right, for whatever perverted Fox-friendly reason. And in the meantime, you can find all sorts of answers to counter the times when Fox has been unusually right, in all sorts of justifiably-Fox-hating places. Who have their own self-interested agenda sometimes. But sometimes, they just feel the obligation to refute whatever it is coming from Fox, because, well, Fox can never be right about something that "normal" and "legitimate" news outlets aren't on top of already. Except for when it is. Even when it's only half-right, or superficially-right. For real, have you no memory of how the original 9/11 played out? Fox reports on a DEA report on Israeli spies who may be allies, unaffiliated, enemies. No other station touches it. Any other outlet, written or televised -- save for a few random local outlets and, shockingly (or not, if they were more allies than enemies, but ignored allies, stonewalled by rogues who control the US government the Israelis warned about re: the terrorists they were surveilling) the Israeli press itself -- any other outlet only reported in order to debunk. That happened. More examples, I'm sure you can think of them. So, why not this? Because...it just can't be? Why? What are you soaked in? I'm dry, dude.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby justdrew » Sun May 12, 2013 2:08 am

yeah, don't address the substance of anything I said, just accuse me of "blindness"

and after any other network had run the baseless allegations about Israeli "spies" you think you know about (the Israeli press/government has not admitted they were spies as far as I know, all of that is just speculation as far as I know), what would have happened had others started publishing on that (actually I bet some did)? They would have all been denounced as giving proof of the liberal media's anti-Israel sentiment or some such shit and who would have been leading that charge? Fox and the Republicans. And just like always their own reporting would have been conveniently brushed under the rug. Because all that would really matter is the hundreds of headlines and serious opinion pieces attacking their boogy-man "left" media. It would have played out JUST like Dan Rather's scoop on bushes national guard service.

As for whatever the report about the Saudi's, big deal. It's not like anything they said mattered in any way at all. Or that it couldn't be gotten elsewhere.

Did Michael Moore source all his Saudi material in Fahrenheit 911 to fox news? doubt it.

Truth means NOTHING to the murdock alliance. Any and every communication is merely an opportunity to influence and shepard the listener toward their preferred world view.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby JackRiddler » Sun May 12, 2013 2:10 am

FourthBase wrote:p.s. You're totally shitting the bed on helping Ostracon. Thanks. Get in the game? Yeah?
All I have been asking for and being pissed at getting zero reply about is: Links. The end.
You're in every finance thread on the board, basically. You don't know a few leads? Help.


Actually, as if it's anyone's business, I'm fucked for entirely different reasons: overcommitment, procrastination, timesucks, insomnia, no money and the need to scrounge for same. You need to acknowledge some borders here. Okay?
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Sun May 12, 2013 2:22 am

JackRiddler wrote:
FourthBase wrote:p.s. You're totally shitting the bed on helping Ostracon. Thanks. Get in the game? Yeah?
All I have been asking for and being pissed at getting zero reply about is: Links. The end.
You're in every finance thread on the board, basically. You don't know a few leads? Help.


Actually, as if it's anyone's business, I'm fucked for entirely different reasons: overcommitment, procrastination, timesucks, insomnia, no money and the need to scrounge for same. You need to acknowledge some borders here. Okay?


Not really. It's no exaggeration to say it's potentially the most politically meaningful project anyone on this board will have so far ever participated in, in their entire lives, so far. I mean, unless people here have helped internationally disgrace a corrupt former world leader before, seriously (versus symbolically) endangered business relationships worth hundreds of millions if not billions? Maybe you have, and maybe exposing Tony Blair for blatantly unethical bullshit would be "Meh" to you. Probably not. You're the little train that could with the creative signs that have a 1-in-5000 (but not impossible!) chance of making a difference against financial crime. But when you have a chance to de-pants an ex-prime-minister who is probably soaking wet with financial sins, you're all "Too busy", etc. Dude, if it weren't as possibly effectual and historic as I'm suggesting, I wouldn't even be sniffing your boundaries. The fact that I am, relentlessly, should give you an idea. Plus, what the fuck? "Overcommitment, procrastination, timesucks, insomnia, no money and the need to scrounge for same"...sounds like, uh, life, lol! Join the club. But, no, really. JOIN THE CLUB. Please, for the love of christ, for the sake of all that is holy and ancient and rare, for the sake of your own goddamned principles and ambitions in this world that this project embodies as you dismiss it like a temporary-fool, please, I fucking beg you, help.
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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun May 12, 2013 9:16 am

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Postby Burnt Hill » Sun May 12, 2013 4:33 pm

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/12/1998811/bushs-secretary-of-defense-mocks-gop-attacks-on-obamas-handling-of-benghazi/
Bush’s Secretary of Defense Mocks GOP Attacks On Obama’s Handling Of Benghazi
“Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were,” said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

“We don’t have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible.” he explained.

Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to “scare them with the noise or something,” Gates said, ignored the “number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi’s arsenals.”
[...]
Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, “send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous.”

“It’s sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces,” he said. “The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm’s way, and there just wasn’t time to do that.”

He even goes on to through some support at Hillary.
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Postby justdrew » Sun May 12, 2013 4:55 pm

well, I'm glad to see someone FINALLY acknowledging that about the surface to air missiles, these fucking republicans would have caused far more US casualties, and a cluster fuck of epic proportions. Probably bombed the shit out of the city, and ruined the populations general support for the US. Remember the local people themselves demolished the militia's compound the next day or two.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 16, 2013 11:49 am


MAY 15, 2013

Another CIA Debacle
The Real Benghazi Scandal
by MELVIN A. GOODMAN
When congressional Republicans complete manipulating the Benghazi tragedy, it will be time for the virtually silent Senate intelligence committee to take up three major issues that have been largely ignored. The committee must investigate the fact that the U.S. presence in Benghazi was an intelligence platform and only nominally a consulate; the politicization by the White House and State Department of CIA analysis of the events in Benghazi; and the Obama administration’s politicization of the CIA’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG), which has virtually destroyed the office and deprived congressional intelligence committees of their most important oversight tool.

When U.S. personnel were airlifted from Benghazi the night of the attack, there were seven Foreign Service and State Department officers and 23 CIA officers onboard. This fact alone indicates that the consulate was primarily diplomatic cover for an intelligence operation that was known to Libyan militia groups. The CIA failed to provide adequate security for Benghazi, and its clumsy tradecraft contributed to the tragic failure. On the night of the attack, the small CIA security team in Benghazi was slow to respond, relying on an untested Libyan intelligence organization to maintain security for U.S. personnel. After the attack, the long delay in debriefing evacuated personnel contributed to the confusing assessments.

The Senate intelligence committee should investigate why the State Department changed the CIA analysis of Benghazi before it went to the Hill. The Congress is entitled to the same intelligence analysis that is provided to the White House–with few exceptions. In the wake of the intelligence hearings in the mid-1970s in response to intelligence abuses during the Vietnam War, the CIA lost its exclusive relationship with the president and had to accept a rough equilibrium between the White House and the Congress. It serves both branches of government, and is accountable to both. It cannot act on presidential requests without clearance from the Congress.

The success of the Bush and Obama administrations in weakening the CIA’s OIG has ensured that CIA failures have gone unexposed and uncorrected. The statutory Inspector General was created in the wake of the Iran-Contra scandal to assure integrity at the CIA. After the office published reports critical of both CIA’s performance before 9/11 and its implementation of the renditions and detentions program, however, the CIA’s operations managers wanted the office shut down.

Successive directors have complied. CIA director Michael Hayden authorized an internal review of the OIG in 2007 that had a chilling effect on the staff. CIA director Leon Panetta went even further, appointing an Inspector General in 2009 who lacked both professional experience in managing intelligence investigations as well as the watchdog mentally that the position requires. When nine CIA operatives and contractors were killed by a suicide bomber at a CIA base in eastern Afghanistan, Panetta proclaimed that the bombing involved no operational failures and allowed the operational bureau responsible for the program to investigate itself rather than pursue an IG inspection. Even when the OIG documented Agency lies to the Congress concerning a secret drug interdiction program in Peru, no significant disciplinary action was taken.

As a result, the Agency’s flaws have gone uncorrected. The politicization of intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq War in 2003 was the worst intelligence scandal in the CIA’s history, but there were no penalties for those who supported CIA director George Tenet’s efforts to make phony intelligence a “slam dunk” as well as Deputy Director John McLaughlin’s “slam dunk” briefing to President George Bush. The CIA’s production of an unclassified white paper for the Congress on the eve of the vote to authorize force in October 2002 marked the misuse of classified information to influence congressional opinion, but there were no consequences.

The destruction of the torture tapes, a clear case of obstruction of justice in view of White House orders to protect the tapes, led to no recriminations at the CIA. The controversy over the use of drone aircraft; the intelligence failure that accompanied the Arab Spring in 2011; and the inadequate security presence in Libya in the wake of the killing of Muammar Gaddafi have not received the necessary scrutiny. Any CIA component in the Middle East and North Africa is a likely target of militant and terrorist organizations because of the Agency’s key role in the Bush administration’s war on terror and the Obama administration’s increasingly widespread use of drone aircraft.

The ability of the Nigerian underwear bomber to board a commercial airline in December 2009 marked an intelligence failure for the entire intelligence community, but there was no serious attempt to examine the breakdown in coordination between five or six intelligence agencies, let alone pursue accountability. Instead, President Obama halted all efforts to return home Yemeni prisoners at Guantanamo. Like the use of the drone, the Guantanamo prison recruits far more recruits for terrorism than any other U.S. action.

If more attention is not given to the biblical inscription at the entrance to the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, that only the “truth will set you free,” the decline of the CIA and the intelligence community will continue.




An insider account of the creation of the Benghazi talking points
By Greg Sargent, Published: May 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm

This may be the most extensive effort by an Obama administration official to account for the process behind the Benghazi talking points — and the internal email traffic about it — that we’ve seen yet.
It comes from Tommy Vietor, who recently stepped down as the spokesman for the National Security Council. He was intimately involved in coordinating the interagency debate over what to say publicly about the attacks, and he was one of the officials on the email chain that has now attracted so much attention.
This morning, Vietor sent out an extensive email to a few of us who had been asking him for an explanation for the evolution of the talking points and the email discussion about it. He says it was not done at the request, or with the permission, of the White House.
I asked his permission to post his email, and he granted it.
Notably, Vietor concedes errors were made in key areas. For instance, he allows that the administration was not clear enough in explaining itself when it came to the claim — since proven false — that only one edit was made to the talking points. He notes that it wasn’t made clear enough that they were referring to the final version of the talking points when claiming a single edit.
Vietor also candidly admits the administration blew it when initially claiming there had been a protest in Benghazi. He says he asked intelligence officials to explain how that happened. The answer: “They told me that there were many different strands of information indicating there was a protest, both open source and intelligence based.”
Two other nuggets worth highlighting: Vietor claims that during private internal debate, a senior CIA official agreed with the State Department’s concern that the now-infamous deleted talking points graf — the one highlighting previous attacks — was unfair to State. If that is so, it supports the notion that the deletion of that graf was more the result of bureaucratic processes designed to get multiple agencies on the same page than it was about anything else.
Vietor also defends the deletion of the reference to Al Qaeda this way: “while it’s true that some of the Benghazi attackers had links to al Qaeda, no one has ever claimed that this was a long-planned AQ operation by Zawahiri or AQ’s leadership like 9/11.”
At any rate, the email is below. Since the interest in every aspect of this story is so intense — and since transparency is at the center of the debate – I’m printing the whole thing:
Hey guys,
A number of you have asked me about the Benghazi talking points issue since I’m mentioned in the email traffic. I obviously no longer speak for the White House, and I’m not sending this at their request or with their approval, but I wanted to offer a bit of context given my experience.
As has been reported, after the attacks the House Intelligence Committee requested what was referred to as a “white paper” on Benghazi – essentially unclassified talking points about what had occurred that they could use on TV. So the CIA started working on a document that was responsive to this request.
When Ambassador Rice was going to appear on the Sunday shows, it made sense to provide her the same language that was being produced for the House Intelligence Committee. The shows wanted to interview a foreign policy surrogate the weekend for a number of reasons: 1) to discuss Benghazi and the work of our diplomats abroad, 2) to discuss the protests of the “Innocence of Muslims” video that had inflamed the Arab world, 3) to answer questions about Iran and other issues that might arise from PM Netanyahu’s appearances.
Regarding the talking points, it’s not surprising that the entire government would want the chance to look at and edit that language. This was a dynamic situation and new information was constantly flowing in, and different agencies had important concerns that had to be addressed – the State Department had security concerns, the FBI was worried about its investigation, and the CIA had a major, yet still undisclosed, role.
What most people don’t understand is that purpose of the National Security Council is to coordinate the many national security agencies of the government – in other words to get the State Department, DOD, intelligence community, etc.… into one room to hash out disagreements and make decisions.
That role is actually written into the law that created the NSC:
The function of the Council shall be to advise the President with respect to the integration of domestic, foreign, and military policies relating to the national security so as to enable the military services and the other departments and agencies of the Government to cooperate more effectively in matters involving the national security.
The fact that Benghazi would be discussed at an NSC meeting at the White House isn’t scandalous or even surprising – really its just standard operating procedure.
So what happened is that throughout that week, various agencies edited the “white paper” to make sure their concerns were addressed. As has been reported, on Friday the State Department raised some concerns about this graph:
“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”
I obviously can’t speak for State, but if you step back, I think it’s reasonable that State would find this language unfair. State employees in Libya didn’t need a CIA threat report to learn about some of these very public incidents.
So again, as has been reported, the issue was tabled for discussion at a Saturday morning interagency meeting. At that meeting, a senior CIA official – an individual whom I will not name but will note is a career official and is one of the most professional people I’ve ever worked with – agreed with State’s concern and said that he would take the talking points back to his building to edit them. Later that day, the CIA official sent a revised version of the talking points, which the White House edited to change “consulate” to “diplomatic post”.
I think it’s fair to say that we could’ve been clearer that we were referring to this final CIA version of the talking points when we said we made one edit, but the fact that the government edited these points isn’t surprising or at all nefarious – it’s routine.

Different agencies wanted to edit this language for a variety of reasons. Information was flowing in and being analyzed in real time. Some things we learned came from human intelligence sources or intercepted communications, and the intelligence community needed to make sure that what we said publicly didn’t tip off the bad guys or disclose sources and methods. There was also an ongoing investigation and concern about public statements complicating that effort to bring whoever did this to justice.
Some people have understandably asked how we were so wrong about there being a protest. I don’t know. When I was in government, I asked some intelligence officials how it happened. They told me that there were many different strands of information indicating there was a protest, both open source and intelligence based. In fact, a number of news outlets reported there were protests.
Regardless, we got it wrong and we later corrected that error in a statement from the DNI spokesman. But one of the most frustrating parts of this discussion is the degree to which people now dismiss the impact of the Innocence of Muslims video. Our embassies in Cairo, Yemen and Sudan were attacked and seriously damaged. A western restaurant was torched in Lebanon. Dozens of countries experienced protests where scores of people died. Our troops in Afghanistan had to reduce their operational tempo and exposure as a preventative measure. Today, people act like the administration invented the issue. A 30-second scan of headlines from that week shows otherwise:
New York Times: “Anti-American Protests Flare Beyond the Mideast”
Reuters/Associated Press via Haaretz: “Thousands demonstrate across the Muslim world as anti-U.S. protests spread”
Wall Street Journal: “U.S. Missions Stormed in Libya, Egypt”
Associated Press: “Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Yemen”
USA Today: “Deadly embassy attacks were days in the making”
CNN: “Another protest turns violent outside U.S. Embassy in Cairo”
CBS News: “Protest in Gaza over anti-Muslim movie”
The Atlantic: “Muslim Protests Spread Around the Globe”
Washington Post – “Anti-U.S. protests spread through Muslim world”
Fox News: “Anti-American protests continue throughout the Middle East, Indonesia, while Muslim leader reportedly sought in Tunisia”
Associated Press: “Protests against anti-Islam film erupt across Muslim world”
Some allege that edits were made in an effort to downplay the role of al Qaeda or to try and sell a political narrative of rapidly normalizing ties with Libya. That’s just not true. The administration talked about how al Qaeda core in Afghanistan and Pakistan had been decimated, but we were also clear that there was a growing threat from AQAP and other affiliates. Also, while it’s true that some of the Benghazi attackers had links to al Qaeda, no one has ever claimed that this was a long-planned AQ operation by Zawahiri or AQ’s leadership like 9/11.
The charge that there was an administration effort to “sell” a normalization narrative in Libya is nonsensical. There just isn’t a political angle here. No voter went to the polls thinking, I don’t like Obama, but boy we have a much better relationship with Tripoli now than we did a few years ago so he’s getting my vote. It’s just silly.
As the week of September 11, 2012 went on, what consumed the administration was concern about the safety and security of US personnel serving overseas. The protests were expanding geographically and growing in size. Military units were being positioned across the globe to deal with potential evacuations. It was a very, very scary time, especially as we approached Friday prayers on September 14th.
Looking back, maybe there was a time when tragedies like Benghazi brought our country together, but here we’ve seen the opposite. Susan Rice went on TV and offered the consensus US government view of what we thought happened at that time. For that, she was viciously attacked in deeply personal ways. Members of the Senate called her “incompetent” and suggested she was a liar. That’s outrageous.
Imagine if Susan had gone on TV and offered some personal view of what happened or contradicted the intelligence community? She would’ve been charged with manipulating intelligence. The attacks on her have been gratuitous and unfair, and it’s time we start saying as much.
Clearly there was not enough security in Benghazi. The administration should be held accountable for that fact, and we should have a very serious discussion about how to ensure this never happens again. However, this focus on talking points and a Sunday show appearance nine months ago is political, and it has distracted us from focusing on protecting our people.
Thanks,
Tommy
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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