Ted Gunderson passes away

[Hammer of Los]

wrote:

Argh! Ted Gunderson was such an icon of conspiratainment, his passing should be noted here.

As for Ted specifically, his story fits in well with my experiences over the last year or so. I've been connected to or a member of 3 truth-type commissions during that time, all of which have failed due to sabotage or infighting. I've connected with several activists, researchers, and authors, all of whom, well, perhaps with one exception, have turned out to be completely self interested and quick to betray the interests of the survivor community that they'd written about, if it served their need, whatever the source of their need might be.

Ted Gunderson, RIP.

There you go chump.

My own feeling is that the presence of folk like him attract the gullible and vulnerable, and bring into disrepute genuine investigation into the reality of RA-MC.

I guess that's not much of a eulogy.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah, seeing this thread inspired some combination of "good" and "next". Which is probably uncharitable when someone dies. Then again heaps of good anonymous people have died around the same time and we aren't mourning them so stuff him.

[LilyPatToo]

This AM I unwarily clicked on a link to a blog with a lot of information on Gunderson's career, but be forewarned that some of the authors' comments (in several of their articles, not just this one) have a strong bias against the veracity of any claims of RA/MC. I'm still subscribed to Dream's End's blog and that's where the link came from. So, had I not been insufficiently caffeinated at the time, I might have decided not to just not go there first thing in the morning

LilyPat

[Project Willow]

Oh, yes, that's DM, (I will not name or link to him here) who's been attacking Neil Brick and other survivors and advocates on various blogs and forums for about 3 years now. He is also pals with DQ, or he-who-should-not-be-linked-to on RI. These are people who've set out not so much to debunk survivor testimony, but to destroy survivors, IMO. What sort of human being dedicates so much energy to publicly attacking people who are, regardless of what one may think of specific claims, obviously suffering? That kind of ugliness speaks for itself.

I had no idea DE was still blogging.

[LilyPatToo]

Oh, yes, that's DM, (I will not name or link to him here) who's been attacking Neil Brick and other survivors and advocates on various blogs and forums for about 3 years now. He is also pals with DQ, or he-who-should-not-be-linked-to on RI. These are people who've set out not so much to debunk survivor testimony, but to destroy survivors, IMO. What sort of human being dedicates so much energy to publicly attacking people who are, regardless of what one may think of specific claims, obviously suffering? That kind of ugliness speaks for itself.

I had no idea DE was still blogging.

He just posts links, mostly. I too have tried to figure out where hostility toward survivors of institutional abuse comes from. DE, IIRC, even has a wife/SO who is DID, but he's labeled me as mentally ill/delusional/Iforgettherest because of all the intel agency/national lab involvement in my past...which is easy to verify, had he just asked At one time it was hurtful, since I admired him, but I've since decided that there's something really twisted going on with these RA/MC attackers in general and with him in particular. In some cases they sound like bought-and-paid-for shills for the perps, but in others I really suspect that they've been "got at" and are doing it for reasons of personal safety or the safety of loved ones. Or have been driven 'round the bend.

But then there are the paranoids who may also be deliberately disinfo vectors, like Gunderson. No matter what their motive, the naysayers/character assassins have had a horrible impact on how survivor testimonies are seen by the public. Between the indifference and the attacks, it's hard to keep on putting the information out there. This is now the only site where I bother to even try these days.

LilyPat

[Project Willow]

He just posts links, mostly. I too have tried to figure out where hostility toward survivors of institutional abuse comes from. DE, IIRC, even has a wife/SO who is DID, but he's labeled me as mentally ill/delusional/Iforgettherest because of all the intel agency/national lab involvement in my past...which is easy to verify, had he just asked At one time it was hurtful, since I admired him, but I've since decided that there's something really twisted going on with these RA/MC attackers in general and with him in particular. In some cases they sound like bought-and-paid-for shills for the perps, but in others I really suspect that they've been "got at" and are doing it for reasons of personal safety or the safety of loved ones. Or have been driven 'round the bend.

He has a similarly high opinion of me, last time I heard. I still hear the voice echo of one FMS proponent with whom I had an exchange nearly 20 years ago. He was also an abuse survivor but set out to debunk others because if their memories were real, that meant that his were too, and he couldn't bear it. The truth must be stamped out! It could be that or any of the scenarios you mention, there's no way to know, really.

But then there are the paranoids who may also be deliberately disinfo vectors, like Gunderson. No matter what their motive, the naysayers/character assassins have had a horrible impact on how survivor testimonies are seen by the public. Between the indifference and the attacks, it's hard to keep on putting the information out there. This is now the only site where I bother to even try these days.

There is good work going on now however, some momentum with advocates and among survivors. Don't give up, and stay tuned!

[fruhmenschen]

wrote:

Argh! Ted Gunderson was such an icon of conspiratainment, his passing should be noted here.

As for Ted specifically, his story fits in well with my experiences over the last year or so. I've been connected to or a member of 3 truth-type commissions during that time, all of which have failed due to sabotage or infighting. I've connected with several activists, researchers, and authors, all of whom, well, perhaps with one exception, have turned out to be completely self interested and quick to betray the interests of the survivor community that they'd written about, if it served their need, whatever the source of their need might be.

Ted Gunderson, RIP.

There you go chump.

My own feeling is that the presence of folk like him attract the gullible and vulnerable, and bring into disrepute genuine investigation into the reality of RA-MC.

I guess that's not much of a eulogy.

We brought John DeCamp to speak in the spring of 2001 after reading THE FRANKLIN COVERUP.
On the same program with John was Mike Ruppert, Black Panther Darruba Bin Wahid, Earth First member Daryl Cherney,
NCOPA Director Mary Powers, NCARL Director Frank Wilkinson, Attorney John Clarke http://www.fbicover-up.com/
I familiarized myself with the rants of Ted Gunderson several years earlier especially after talking with investigative author Cheri Seymour after reading her book COMMITTEE OF STATES http://www.amazon.com/Committee-States- ... 0962877204

Reading Committee of the States was the link that brought clarity to how easy it was for taxpayer funded FBI agents in the 1980's to get people to make bombs then bust them for making the bombs. This was the blueprint up until 911 where we see the FBI misdirection of the 1993 1st World Trade Center bombing and Oklahoma City bombing that fosters the notion there is a boogeyman called terrorists.

Bottom line:
never trusted Ted Gunderson.
If I did we would have brought him to speak.
Other FBI agents we brought to speak from 1989-2002 included:
John Ryan
Suzanne Doucette
Wesley Swearingem
Tyronne Powers
Frederick Whitehurst

Time for the next generation to organize an annual conference looking at crimes committed by FBI agents.
We did it for 13 years eh?

[justdrew]

wow, great work Fru!

[Crow]

I read most of that site the other night because I have insomnia. Or maybe it's the other way around.

In one of his other posts, the writer of that Ted Gunderson piece says that he accepts that MK-ULTRA was real because there are documents to back it up, but thinks that anyone reporting being victimized by MK-ULTRA experiments is either deluded or lying. Total doublespeak.

And the mean-spiritedness of going after people wrestling with issues like alien abduction and mind control experiments...it boggles my mind. In one of his articles, he describes actually traveling to conferences to basically laugh at people in the only safe spaces they have.

I think Ted Gunderson was a crackpot, and probably a dangerous crackpot, but he was also old and now he's dead, so writing a hit piece on him isn't exactly heroic.

[Project Willow]

And the mean-spiritedness of going after people wrestling with issues like alien abduction and mind control experiments...it boggles my mind. In one of his articles, he describes actually traveling to conferences to basically laugh at people in the only safe spaces they have.

Yep, Class A asshole.

In 2009, the author, whose initials are DM, lied to Neil Brick about his identity in order to attend the SMART conference. Subsequently, he posted articles on various sites on the Internet, including thexaminer.com, basically making fun of Neil and some of the other presenters, and survivors in attendance. He cancelled his conference fee check, so Neil was out the money as well. Neil initiated a defamation suit against him. As far as I know, it is still being litigated.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24951&hilit=doug+mesner

Defamation suit:
http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-defamation-case-update-5/

[elfismiles]

Exclusive – The Ted Gunderson Files
...
Now, the FBI’s own files on that one agent – former high-profile G-Man and celebrity conspiracy theorist Ted Gunderson – have been released to parapolitical. The 2,500 pages of documents provide anecdotes of previously unknown incidents involving the controversial FBI agent, and new perspectives on already recorded events. They also offer something for everyone: Gunderson supporters will find proof of the man’s outstanding service record and incidents of what could be imagined as government persecution, while detractors may interpret the same documents as the story of a retired fed involved in shady activities and gradually experiencing a paranoid break with sanity.

http://www.parapolitical.com/2013/05/th ... son-files/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/141493672/Gunderson-Files

[8bitagent]

I always believed(assumed?) Gundersen told a lot of tall tales("Tim Osman"? Yeah ok...) but that his heart was in the right place. Afterall he was tackling the darkest of the dark in a time where things were all a Geraldo Morton Downey Jr shock fluff piece.