How Absurd: 8 Crazy Reactions, Ridiculous Conclusions, and

[Canadian_watcher]

I don't understand the title - Two cities? Not sure that that means exactly.

From looking around, I suspect this was originally one half of a two-part presentation, the other half focusing on the New York Marathon.

interesting.. where did you see that connection?

[barracuda]

If you look at the bibliography here (bottom of the page):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... topic.html

There are two separate .pdf's listed with the same name, "Marathons--A Tale of Two Cities and the Running of a Planned Mass Casualty Event". They are both dead links.

Then looking at the discussion on this forum:

https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-You-Gu ... ted?page=5

You'll see that in the first entry, someone named David comments on the .pdf posted that it is the wrong one, the one for New York. That link is dead also. But it sort of makes sense, even though I can't find the second one (because who cares about that? - it's not a pre-crime conspiracy tell). So it's a pretty solid suspicion. Maybe even nearly a thinkling.

[Canadian_watcher]

that's a lot of work you put in to that. I find it inconsistent with your stringent evidence standards that you would take the word of a commenter on a site called 'lunatic outpost' as anything approaching what could be deemed to be sensible. but perhaps you've grown.

[barracuda]

Well, it was just a clue, a tidbit overheard, so it didn't require taking anyone's word or taking a plunge toward considering their opinion to be sensible, per se. And as I said, it's just a suspicion, one that springs from those links and the title itself, which implies two marathons. But no, it wasn't much work, simply a google search for the title of the presentation. Took about two minutes.

perhaps you've grown.

Don't get your hopes up. And whatever you do, don't miss an opportunity to attempt a minor denigration in passing. It would be supremely out of character.

[Canadian_watcher]

I notice some strangeness about this series of photos.
I can't be sure that the first one is really chronologically first but something had to go in first place so I chose it. You'll see that the black woman appears in both bottom photos but is not in the first one. Jeff B. is already gone in the second two pictures. I assume that everyone has seen that series of pictures taken from a window that are foggy but show the the black woman, Jeff Bauman, and hoodie guy (Christian W) all tangled up in a pile, so we know they were all together.

We've also seen pictures of the black woman on a stretcher and Jeff Bauman in a wheelchair, so logic says that they cleared him first in a wheelchair out of sheer panic (as they otherwise would have used a stretcher)

We also see hoodie guy and the black woman miraculously clean of blood

finally, Carlos Arrendondo (cowboy hat guy) is breaking down the fence on top of victims. ??

the main question, of course, is:
how can Bauman be there without the black woman or Christian williams in the first picture? Is that torn up gray object poking out from behind the black woman's head in the second picture supposed to be Bauman rolling around unattended, when both the black woman and christian williams were already "attending to him" or at least aware of him in the earliest series of pictures?

[FourthBase]

I gather they had just evacuated the black lady?
I gather Christian Williams, lucky as he seems, stood up?

As for Arredondo...

Some pet or child is hurt on the other side of a fence like that.
You need to get over it or get through it. You go for the latter.
You knock it over away from you. It is now flat, on ground.
You then walk over it, clumsily, since it was not meant for that.
Someone takes a picture of you at that exact moment in time, so...
What have you done? Tried to help victims? Or are you a crisis actor?

EDIT: If you are suspecting Bauman's absence in any photo: Sloppy thinking.

[barracuda]

The pictures are out of chronological order. I would say they are exactly reversed. Christian Williams did not stand up, you can see his torn pant leg on the far right hand side of the top photo. That is Bauman's shredded lower left leg just behind the black woman in the red in the middle shot.

[Canadian_watcher]

The pictures are out of chronological order. I would say they are exactly reversed. Christian Williams did not stand up, you can see his torn pant leg on the far right hand side of the top photo. That is Bauman's shredded lower left leg just behind the black woman in the red in the middle shot.

so you think that the black woman would fit, physically, into the space between the white woman in the red/black and Baumann if she were to have been removed from there before he was? edit: look at the street tiles - even if they were 4" each (and they are more likely to be 3" width) that's only 20".

Also, why was she removed before he was, seeing as she was removed on a stretcher and he was removed in a wheelchair?

finally, Why is Christian Williams resting himself on a victim and ignoring Baumann and the black woman in the second photo?

okay one more thing - that doesn't look like liters and liters of blood under Baumann, which could be expected from that injury.

[Canadian_watcher]

I gather they had just evacuated the black lady?
I gather Christian Williams, lucky as he seems, stood up?

I don't think so, he's not standing up in any other photo at all, including the many, many I have not included here. He also doesn't have blood on his shirt at all, which is outrageouly lucky considering the first photos where he, the black girl and Jeff are bound together tightly in a heap.

As for Arredondo...

Some pet or child is hurt on the other side of a fence like that.
You need to get over it or get through it. You go for the latter.
You knock it over away from you. It is now flat, on ground.
You then walk over it, clumsily, since it was not meant for that.
Someone takes a picture of you at that exact moment in time, so...
What have you done? Tried to help victims? Or are you a crisis actor?

well obviously there were lots of people hurt on "the other side of the fence like that."
No pets, apparently, though.
I think it was photoshopped, myself. I don't think he was either a helper or a crisis actor. I think all those people got fucked over, and that they all have skeletons in their closets which are preventing them from coming forward. Big skeletons, with teeth. Either that or they are just greedy mother fuckers who are keeping quiet for the money.

EDIT: If you are suspecting Bauman's absence in any photo: Sloppy thinking.

?? He isn't exactly obviously present in the second two photos. if you wanted, I could probably photoshop him into the grassy knoll in a convincing fashion.

[FourthBase]

I think it was photoshopped, myself.

That is just a mind-boggingly silly interpretation.

[Canadian_watcher]

I think it was photoshopped, myself.

That is just a mind-boggingly silly interpretation.

that's no kind of answer to it. It doesn't change my mind in any way. Can you do better? In the thread about the UK soldier killing there is speculation of photoshopping, and that isn't being addressed as "mind bogglingly silly" = so what's the difference?

[barracuda]

so you think that the black woman would fit, physically, into the space between the white woman in the red/black and Baumann if she were to have been removed from there before he was?

She doesn't have to. They both moved into a different position (he rolled onto his side from his back) since she was taken away.

Also, why was she removed before he was, seeing as she was removed on a stretcher and he was removed in a wheelchair?

My first guess would be that the emergency responders deployed the gurneys/stretchers first to move victims, which would make sense, and only began using wheelchairs when the stretchers were all in transit. Second guess would be that she was triaged with an injury - back or neck - which required prone transport.

finally, Why is Christian Williams resting himself on a victim and igooring Baumann and the black woman in the second photo?

I don't think he's actually "resting on a victim", as it appears to me that his left elbow is on the ground. Are he and the person near him touching? Perhaps. As to why he's "ignoring" the other victims, I think you have to remember that he was very severely wounded, nearly died, and nearly lost both his legs. He is almost certainly deafened by the explosion, and shock is coming on. I wonder what you or I would do in the same circumstances.

okay one more thing - that doesn't look like liters and liters of blood under Baumann, which could be expected from that injury.

There's an easy way to find out: go and buy a two-liter Diet Coke down at the 7-11, uncap it and pour the contents slowly onto the sidewalk or your living room floor. Then, using the standard sized bricks in the photo, estimate how close the spilled contents of the Diet Coke two-liter come to what you see in the picture. I mean, if you really wanna know.

[FourthBase]

I think it was photoshopped, myself.

That is just a mind-boggingly silly interpretation.

that's no kind of answer to it. It doesn't change my mind in any way. Can you do better? In the thread about the UK soldier killing there is speculation of photoshopping, and that isn't being addressed as "mind bogglingly silly" = so what's the difference?

So, okay, these evil bastards who butcher and assassinate people all the time, who allow or initiate a horror like 9/11, they are for some reason so squeamish about setting off a simple real bomb at the marathon finish line that they not only hire amputee actors instead of create new real newly-legless victims, but they also photoshop into a picture of the aftermath the visage of some dude climbing over a downed fence? I just...I don't get it. Perhaps to you this seems like some super-devious plan on their part, but to me that plan would just be totally idiotic and out-of-character. I think the mastermind perps of the bombing screwed up, big time, for sure. But that's only in spite of their usual solid planning. This scenario you posit would just be...again, silly. And way too unnecessarily elaborate. I mean, it's simple, to me. Dude knocks down fence, or fence is knocked down by others, and then that dude walks/climbs over that fence. Why would there be any need to manufacture that? What purpose could it possibly serve? You've seen the video of Arredondo once he got over the fence, right? How did he get over it, then?

[barracuda]

edit: look at the street tiles - even if they were 4" each (and they are more likely to be 3" width) that's only 20".

Standard bricks are 3.75 inches wide.

[Canadian_watcher]

I think it was photoshopped, myself.

That is just a mind-boggingly silly interpretation.

that's no kind of answer to it. It doesn't change my mind in any way. Can you do better? In the thread about the UK soldier killing there is speculation of photoshopping, and that isn't being addressed as "mind bogglingly silly" = so what's the difference?

So, okay, these evil bastards who butcher and assassinate people all the time, who allow or initiate a horror like 9/11, they are for some reason so squeamish about setting off a simple real bomb at the marathon finish line that they not only hire amputee actors instead of create new real newly-legless victims, but they also photoshop into a picture of the aftermath the visage of some dude climbing over a downed fence? I just...I don't get it. Perhaps to you this seems like some super-devious plan on their part, but to me that plan would just be totally idiotic and out-of-character. I think the mastermind perps of the bombing screwed up, big time, for sure. But that's only in spite of their usual solid planning. This scenario you posit would just be...again, silly. And way too unnecessarily elaborate. I mean, it's simple, to me. Dude knocks down fence, or fence is knocked down by others, and then that dude walks/climbs over that fence. Why would there be any need to manufacture that? What purpose could it possibly serve? You've seen the video of Arredondo once he got over the fence, right? How did he get over it, then?

I COMPLETELY hear what you're saying. I have only guesses as to why this is what it is, but to me ------ it *is* what it is. There's just no way around it for me. These pictures are faked. I honestly think that there was a staging somewhere that had "key" victims in it, and then there was the explosion at the actual marathon. There is a combo plate here - the real event and the staged one. IMHO some of the victims were not even AT the bombing, therefore they weren't victims (at that place, anyway)

I don't think there was any need to fake knocking down a fence - what I think is that the fence was knocked down and therefore they needed a photo of their hero knocking down a fence, so they put one in ON TOP OF the real scene. The actual fence WAS pulled down, we can see that from Steve Silva's video. But Steve Silva's video, if you watch the whole, unedited version , never shows ANY of the people. You have to ask yourself why that is. Why would a trained camera man shy away from the REAL story?? Why did he not film the PEOPLE? Almost AT ALL?

Steve Silva was placed there to film stuff the authorities might need later - plausible deniability. "See, there was a video of the whole thing, how can you say it didn't happen???" But the video shows no details. He weirdly films the windows of the buildings for way too long (and yet never turns around to film ANYTHING behind him, why is that?) He films the STREET. The Street??? WTF? Ah-ha, because it has some 'evidence' on it, a blown apart back pack (but not *the* back pack, bad job, Steve Silva. There's also a wire, which hasn't come into play yet, but maybe it will. He spends a lot of time on that - I had to watch three times to catch it.

And no one gives a flying fuck about the second bomb site, it seems. Very little footage from there.

Also,in Silva's video once he leaves the area he isn't allowed back in. And yet, if you look through the pictures at Crytome you'll see that it's only after a good while following the blast that ALL kinds of people are seemingly surrounding the scene - I mean every kind of person you can think of.

You can't see Bauman, Black Girl, Blond with the two broken Legs, that red and black clad dark blond, hoodie guy, Krystal/Kristin C or any of the usual suspects in the pre-blast photos. There are however two people visible pre-blast who you see post blast but they are not injured and they actually get up and walk out of the scene early on in the photos. (like most people would do) So there are some real people there.

I have no idea *why* they would do this. None whatsoever. Maybe it was just a test. Maybe rogue factions wanted to make shit eating fools out of someone, who the fuck knows? These people operate on a different plane. Like pedophiles - are you going to pretend you understand the minds of pedophiles?

that's what I see.

that's what I believe.

there's nothing so far that makes me think I'm wrong but I am absolutely willing to be convinced. Please convince me I'm wrong.