Pope Francis and the alleged exorcism

[stefano]

On Sunday after a Pentecostal mass, Pope Francis met some sick people and blessed them. One had a very weird reaction, and this has led to speculation that the Pope performed an exorcism.

Submitted for discussion (turn up the sound):

[Jerky]

This could simply be a result of the poor guy's emotions overwhelming his already taxed and beleaguered body's ability to control and conceal interior emotional states. Living in the big city, I see afflicted people like this on an almost daily basis. Sometimes it can be frightening to some people just to see how some damaged folks do something as simple as take in a deep breath.

Jerky

[Jerky]

Also, that was no exorcism. There are standards and practices for exorcism. It's quite an involved and protracted affair.

Jerky

[seemslikeadream]

in other popey news....

A saint-making record is also a diplomatic headache for Pope Francis

Franco Origlia / Getty Images Contributor
Pope Francis waves to the crowd as he leaves at the end of the Holy Mass and Canonization Ceremony at St. Peter's Square. Sunday.

Editor's note: This story includes a correction.
By Claudio Lavanga, Correspondent, NBC News
ROME -- Pope Francis canonized more than 800 Catholics in Saint Peter’s Square Sunday – the largest number to be elevated to sainthood at once in the history of the Catholic Church.
The choice of some of the new saints was also striking, touching on the already-fragile relationship between Christianity and Islam.
The new saints included hundreds of laymen from the southern Italian port town of Otranto who were slain in the 15th century by the invading Ottoman Turkish army after they refused to convert to Islam.
In 1480, after conquering Constantinople – modern day Istanbul - the Ottoman Sultan Mohammed II planned to invade Rome, and Otranto became his army’s port of entrance into Italy.
The local population fought back in a week-long siege, putting up a brave but hopeless resistance. When Ottoman soldiers finally overrun the town, they were ordered to kill every man over the age of 15 who refused to convert to Islam.
More than 800 resisted, locking themselves up into the town’s Cathedral. Their ringleader, local shoemaker Antonio Primaldo, was first to be beheaded. According to local legend, his headless body remained standing until the last of his fellow townspeople was killed.
Since then, Primaldo and his townsfolk, who chose to die rather than betray their Catholic faith, have been hailed as martyrs. Their bones and skulls – proudly on display behind glass walls in the Cathedral of Otranto – are well-known Catholic relics and a popular pilgrimage destination.
But the choice to highlight their sacrifice may put a strain on the already fragile relationship between the Catholic Church and Islam.
Ever since his election, Pope Francis has called for greater dialogue between Christianity and other religions, in particular Islam. And so far, he has acted on that promise. He washed the feet of a young Muslim woman jailed in a juvenile prison on Holy Thursday, and reached out to the many “Muslim brothers and sisters” during his first Good Friday procession.
So why risk creating yet another inter-faith row with a celebration which some in the Muslim world may be seen as a provocation?
The answer is that it wasn’t Pope Francis’ choice in the first place. The decision to canonize the hundreds of Otranto martyrs was rubber-stamped by his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, on Feb. 11 - the same day he announced his resignation.
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It was a departing act of a pontiff that had become concerned about the mounting discrimination suffered by Christian minorities living in the Middle East in the wake of the Arab spring.
Pope Francis shares his predecessor’s concern. “By venerating the martyrs of Otranto” he said at Sunday’s canonization mass, “We ask God to protect the many Christians who in these times, and in many parts of the world, are still victims of violence”.
The Vatican’s relationship with Islam took a nosedive in 2006 when Benedict – now the Pope Emeritus - enraged Muslims by quoting the 14th-century byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaiogolos, who said: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
It was an uncomfortable parting gift for his successor, who now faces an uphill struggle to rekindle ties with Islam.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Also, that was no exorcism. There are standards and practices for exorcism. It's quite an involved and protracted affair.

Jerky

Yeah, it's not like he's gonna sneak it in.

This is being promoted by Catholics because the implication is not exorcism but miracle Pope.

[Iamwhomiam]

I dunno bout that. From what I hear Papa's got direct line to the big guy. Besides, that's the way the big guy's kid did it most of the time.

[Bruce Dazzling]

Different Pope, sure, but this one never gets old.

[Hammer of Los]

...

What the f**k is a Pope Emeritus?

Who Pope now?

Why is he pushin' that clash of civilisations crap?

I'm sick of it.

Terror terror terror.

Muslims muslims muslims.

Jeez.

I'll tell yah summit doe.

They better not try no exorcism s**t wid me.

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[8bitagent]

Not to get all Randi up in this piece...but...





http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... -cleveland




Esmerelda: "I am getting the sense, yes, the mysteries from beyond are telling me you had a great great aunt that died"

Random woman: "OMG, how did you know?"

Esmerelda: "and she had been married?"

Random woman: "OMG, yes, omg yes"

Esmerelda: "She has a message for you, she says she wants you to be happy and dont worry"

[Simulist]

I dunno bout that. From what I hear Papa's got direct line to the big guy. Besides, that's the way the big guy's kid did it most of the time.

When myth is taken as literal history, and applied to a current event that's (more than a little) open to interpretation.

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Catholic archdiocese in Madrid reportedly training 8 new exorcists to meet parishioner demand
By Megan Carpentier
Friday, May 24, 2013 13:40 EDT

Catholics in and around Madrid concerned that they or their loved ones are suffering from demonic possession may be about to get some much needed assistance from the archdiocese. A spokeswoman confirmed to the Associated Press that the Church in considering training more priests in the exorcism rites to counter increasing demand for its one trained priest’s time. The spokewoman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the AP, “The devil exists. That’s a fact.”

News of the exorcists-in-training was first reported by the Spanish-language Catholic site Religion en libertad, which claims there are eight priests currently in training to learn how to perform exorcisms based on the De Exorcismus et supplicationibus quibusdam, approved by Pope John Paul II in 1998, which replaced the exorcism rites first published in 1614. Catholic World News described the new rite in 1999:

"The liturgical ritual itself is centered on supplicatory prayers, asking for God’s help, and “imperative” prayers addressed directly to the Devil, commanding him to depart. The prayers are to be said as the exorcist lays his hand on the individual, and are part of an overall ritual which includes specific blessings and sprinklings with holy water. The ritual also includes the litany of the saints, the reading of the Psalms and the Gospel, and a proclamation of faith which may be either the familiar Creed or a simple question-and-answer (“Do you renounce Satan? I do.”). The ritual concludes with the kissing of the Cross, and the final prayer, proclaiming the triumph of Christ and his Church."



ReL’s Álex Rosal reports that the eight candidates are additionally studying the 1614 rites as well as the so-called Roman Ritual of 1952, which served as a bridge between the older rites and the final liturgical version issued in 1998. Candidates are also said to be reading the books of Father Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican’s chief exorcist and a controversial figure in his own right.

Rosal further reports that there are eight candidates to correspond to each of the eight dioceses, and decisions may be made with the input of local psychiatrists to rule out mental illness and drug abuse before beginning an exorcism.

Spanish website The Local reports that there are only 18 registered exorcists in Spain, the most famous and active of which is, according to exorcism expert and author José María Zavala, Father Salvador Hernández Ramón, who reportedly studied under Amorth in Rome. The training itself is reportedly being led by Bishop Cesar Franco.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/c ... er-demand/

[Jerky]

Yeah, WHAT IS that thing supposed to be, anyway? And also those weird globes showing up all over the place on various Catholic properties?

Jerky

Different Pope, sure, but this one never gets old.

[DrEvil]

That thing looks like the last boss encounter in Demon's Souls, the "Great Old One".

[Wombaticus Rex]

That was -- I shit y'all not a jot -- supposed to be The Image of Christ Ascending From The Nuclear Holocaust. Like, that's the PR line. Obviously, it's exactly what it looks like, which is exactly what we all think it is: a brazen, naked acknowledgment of the real business plan.

Edit: After I wrote this I thought: This can't be fucking right. I must be mistaken.

Nay.

[Simulist]

Whatever it is, it's fugly.