FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

[FourthBase]

Todashev had met the Tsarnaevs when he travelled to the United States to improve his English, said his father, who works in the mayor's office in Chechnya's main city of Grozny and is said to be on close terms with regional leader Ramzan Kadyrov.

Isn't that special. Small, small world.

As for the Boston FBI and MA state police...
Beginning to smell like some sort of shit from "The Departed", but real.
Not sure what the ulterior agenda is, though. Maybe, uh, Whitey knows, lol.

[8bitagent]

Todashev had met the Tsarnaevs when he travelled to the United States to improve his English, said his father, who works in the mayor's office in Chechnya's main city of Grozny and is said to be on close terms with regional leader Ramzan Kadyrov.

Isn't that special. Small, small world.

As for the Boston FBI and MA state police...
Beginning to smell like some sort of shit from "The Departed", but real.
Not sure what the ulterior agenda is, though. Maybe, uh, Whitey knows, lol.

I honestly thought we had heard the last of the Boston case for awhile. This new chapter is too much, like when the "Anthrax" mailer turned up dead. How convenient.

I mean Im gonna ask the obvious. An FBI agent goes to have a civil sort of chat with this guy, in his home, then just blasts him? Did he record this man admitting he and Tamerlan were the culprits?
This is just too much.

[Peachtree Pam]

Shooting of slaying suspect Ibragim Todashev in Florida involved FBI agent from Boston office

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html

ORLANDO — An FBI agent from the bureau’s Boston office fired the shot, or shots, that killed a friend of Boston ­Marathon bombing suspect ­Tamerlan Tsarnaev early Wednesday morning during an interview about an unsolved Waltham homicide, say officials briefed on the investigation.

Ibragim Todashev, a 27-year-old mixed martial arts fighter formerly from Allston and Cambridge, was shot in the kitchen of his apartment after overturning a table and attacking the agent with a blade, the officials said. The Globe has ­reported that the shooting came after Todashev had implicated himself in a grisly 2011 triple homicide in Waltham. ­Tamerlan Tsarnaev was friendly with one of the Waltham victims, and authorities suspect he may also have taken part in the slayings.

Two law enforcement officials said that the Boston FBI agent felt he was in grave danger when Todashev attacked him and that he fired in self-defense.

“This was a tough guy; he was a dangerous individual,” one law enforcement official said, speaking of Todashev. The official asked not to be named because the official was not ­authorized to discuss the case.

An FBI team from Washington, D.C., is investigating what happened in the apartment.

FBI spokesmen in Boston, Florida, and Washington had no comment Friday.

Some of Todashev’s neighbors recalled hearing a series of loud bangs during the early morning hours Wednesday. But loud sounds after dark are commonplace at the condos, which sit in the shadow of Universal Studios, which holds frequent nighttime concerts and events.

“I figured it was just fireworks at Universal,” said Gary Campgana, who lives a few apartments away from ­Todashev, pointing to the amusement park.

Campgana said he had seen Todashev “at the pool a few times, but it didn’t dawn on me that he could have been capable of being involved in all of this.”

The regional medical examiner’s office confirmed that it is in possession of Todashev’s body but would not say how many times he was shot.

“We can’t release any information on that case,” said an employee of the office who ­answered the phone Friday. “Any info has to come from law enforcement.”

Todashev’s friend Khusen Taramov, who accompanied ­Todashev’s estranged wife to identify the body, said he was shown only part of his dead friend’s face and did not see any wound. But doctors told him his friend was shot multiple times, he said.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed after a shootout with ­police in Watertown April 19. His brother and alleged coconspirator in the Marathon ­attack, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is in federal custody facing a possible death sentence in the bombing that killed three people and wounded more than 260. The brothers are also suspects in the April 18 slaying of MIT police Officer Sean Collier.

In Orlando, local police and FBI agents continued to keep watch over the scene of the shooting Friday, as investigators in white jumpsuits and yellow boots continued to move in and out of the apartment’s rear entrance.

Most of the reporters who had been camped at the scene since early Wednesday were gone, and life in the complex had mostly returned to normal.

Todashev’s wife, Reni Manukyan, who traveled to ­Orlando from her home in Georgia to help arrange her husband’s burial, plans to accom­pany the body back to Russia.

Taramov said Friday that Manukyan had been overcome by emotion. “She’s in really bad shape,” he said. “She’s not doing good at all.”

He also cast doubt on ­reports that his friend had violently attacked the agent, saying that Todashev was recovering from a knee injury and that agents had kept tight control over him at prior interviews.

“They wouldn’t even let him go outside to smoke during these interviews,” Taramov said

Taramov, who is helping coordinate the burial in Russia, said the FBI has yet to return Todashev’s identification ­papers, which has impeded the process of returning his body to his family. The bureau has said it will return Todashev’s travel papers and could hand them over as soon as Monday, said Taramov. However, he added, they told him it could take as long as three weeks.

“I’m hoping for three days, not three weeks,” he said.

[8bitagent]

The guy coulda had to pee, and the agent in question may have not allowed him up...in broken english he coulda said "I have to pee goddammit" and tried to stand up and that constituted "going for the officer". Who the heck knows. I agree this is way too convenient.

Tamerlan is dead. This guy is dead. And the 19 year old conveniently can never talk again.

[KeenInsight]

They killed him because he was likely a trained agent or informant and knew something. Its simple, or least that's how it seems to me.

Example: Parts of "B" team, of which Oswald and J.D. Tippitt were apart of (the guys trying to stop it) were ordered to be killed after Team "A" went ahead with the assassination. Combined with the fact that over 18 key witnesses were subsequently killed, died by heart attacks, or involved in "accidents." Simple math already proved that so many kit witnesses dying after the assassination and, years later with new investigations, has a probability of 1 in 100,000 trillion.

These events aren't on such a huge level, and are simplified, better crafted, and compartmentalized, but out of control elements of the government and its agencies is almost too clearly obvious. The public figure heads of government and these agencies have no control over the entrenched corrupt criminals that commit their crimes of which most are blissfully unaware. I'm afraid they will never go away either, as they are allowed to thrive. There are very dangerous people in this government or that do things on behalf or under the 'umbrella' of the government that will do anything so that their agenda's come to fruition.

[Burnt Hill]

They killed him because he was likely a trained agent or informant and knew something. Its simple, or least that's how it seems to me.

I thought that for a minute, but what about the friend? Fearing for his life would he not have told his friend what, if "he knew something"? Unless what he knew and feared was his involvement in the triple murder.
And considering his MMA and violent history, should there be a consideration for steroid rage while being questioned by the feds?

[Hunter]

The guy coulda had to pee, and the agent in question may have not allowed him up...in broken english he coulda said "I have to pee goddammit" and tried to stand up and that constituted "going for the officer". Who the heck knows. I agree this is way too convenient.

Tamerlan is dead. This guy is dead. And the 19 year old conveniently can never talk again.

What gets me is that they do this sort of thing in a way that almost says HEY LOOK WE MURDERED THE FUCKER THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE WANT YOU DEAD.

I mean there are thousands of ways they could have taken this guy out with a better cover story, they could have put a hit on him and nobody would know they better, but no, they have him custody, they apparently didnt pat him down, he has a knife and he attacks them and they shoot him. They could do this so more better but they dont and it seems like they almost want us to see what this really is about, this shit isnt even believable anymore. I think they are testing just to see if anyone gives a fuck anymore, to see if anyone is really paying attention.

And then 2 agents involved in the whole apprehension and could talk about maybe Tamerlan being alive in custody etc, die in a training accident. Sure its possible, but this is just a bit over the top, a little too much for me to just brush off as 'shit happens.'

[stickdog99]

They could do this so more better but they dont and it seems like they almost want us to see what this really is about, this shit isnt even believable anymore. I think they are testing just to see if anyone gives a fuck anymore, to see if anyone is really paying attention.

That's what I think about the whole Boston Bomber denouement. They fingered a seemingly random kid with no motive whatsoever (except that he was marginally Muslim), and they convicted him based on photos of him at a public event attended by thousands (including mercenaries with backpacks that actually resemble the one we were shown exploded), Danny Boy's outrageous 8th-grade-Tarantino scripted yarn, unnamed spooks' assurances that the now mute suspect told them everything, and (four weeks after we all had already been 100% convinced by all of the former "compelling evidence") unnamed spooks' assurances that the kid had scribbled onto the boat in magic marker the exact motive they had already ascribed to him.

It's as if they are saying, "See? We don't need to present any evidence. We don't even need a halfway believable narrative. This is all we have to do to turn anyone into somebody who can't even be buried."

This analysis stands even if the kid actually did it and they actually have much better evidence to prove that he did. Even in that case, this is all they had to do to turn anyone who questions the kid's guilt into a teen fangirl incomprehensibly swayed by accused's good looks.

[Hunter]

They could do this so more better but they dont and it seems like they almost want us to see what this really is about, this shit isnt even believable anymore. I think they are testing just to see if anyone gives a fuck anymore, to see if anyone is really paying attention.

That's what I think about the whole Boston Bomber denouement. They fingered a seemingly random kid with no motive whatsoever (except that he was marginally Muslim), and they convicted him based on photos of him at a public event attended by thousands (including mercenaries with backpacks that actually resemble the one we were shown exploded), Danny Boy's outrageous 8th-grade-Tarantino scripted yarn, unnamed spooks' assurances that the now mute suspect told them everything, and (four weeks after we all had already been 100% convinced by all of the former "compelling evidence") unnamed spooks' assurances that the kid had scribbled onto the boat in magic marker the exact motive they had already ascribed to him.

It's as if they are saying, "See? We don't need to present any evidence. We don't even need a halfway believable narrative. This is all we have to do to turn anyone into somebody who can't even be buried."

This analysis stands even if the kid actually did it and they actually have much better evidence to prove that he did. Even in that case, this is all they had to do to turn anyone who questions the kid's guilt into a teen fangirl incomprehensibly swayed by accused's good looks.

I agree, it is all just insane IMO. If this were an episode on CSI it would be boring, the worst episode ever, they arent even following the basic playbook for a criminal investigation as far as I can tell. Everyone watching it would be yelling at the TV " that is all you got on the suspect, this is the best you can do, its CSI for chrissake! "

[Burnt Hill]

But Dzhokhar has not been convicted.
Wouldnt this strange narrative thats been playing out for public consumption- wouldnt it cause any potential jury to question all evidence presented by the FBI? (I know, assuming it gets to trial and Dzhokhar has competent representation).
This latest episode has all the signs of FBI incompetence biting them in the ass, resulting in the death of a potential witness, hurting their case in the triple murder-maybe in the bombing. I dont see Todashev as anything more than a two bit criminal who got caught up with some other two bit criminals and wound up dead. I dont see him as an "agent" with incriminating evidence warranting the need to take him out- that seems preposterous, as does the idea that he was offed because he wouldnt sign a confession. The fact that his confidant lives persuades my thoughts profoundly.

[stickdog99]

But Dzhokhar has not been convicted.
Wouldnt this strange narrative thats been playing out for public consumption- wouldnt it cause any potential jury to question all evidence presented by the FBI? (I know, assuming it gets to trial and Dzhokhar has competent representation).
This latest episode has all the signs of FBI incompetence biting them in the ass, resulting in the death of a potential witness, hurting their case in the triple murder-maybe in the bombing. I dont see Todashev as anything more than a two bit criminal who got caught up with some other two bit criminals and wound up dead. I dont see him as an "agent" with incriminating evidence warranting the need to take him out- that seems preposterous, as does the idea that he was offed because he wouldnt sign a confession. The fact that his confidant lives persuades my thoughts profoundly.

Yeah, the fact that anyone still lives definitely proves the FBI and the CIA are on the up and up.

[Burnt Hill]

But Dzhokhar has not been convicted.
Wouldnt this strange narrative thats been playing out for public consumption- wouldnt it cause any potential jury to question all evidence presented by the FBI? (I know, assuming it gets to trial and Dzhokhar has competent representation).
This latest episode has all the signs of FBI incompetence biting them in the ass, resulting in the death of a potential witness, hurting their case in the triple murder-maybe in the bombing. I dont see Todashev as anything more than a two bit criminal who got caught up with some other two bit criminals and wound up dead. I dont see him as an "agent" with incriminating evidence warranting the need to take him out- that seems preposterous, as does the idea that he was offed because he wouldnt sign a confession. The fact that his confidant lives persuades my thoughts profoundly.

Yeah, the fact that anyone still lives definitely proves the FBI and the CIA are on the up and up.

I never suggested that the FBI and CIA were on the "up and up". Please comment towards what I did say, if you are going to quote me.
Assuming Todashev knew something, wouldn't they also be concerned about what his friend knew? It appears that they obtained info linking Todashev to the triple murder and were acting on that. Considering that Todashev nearly beat two people to death over a parking spot, is it any surprise that he got violent at the interview?
And as to the two agents that died in the helicopter training exercise, what evidence do we have that they were involved with the arrest of Tamerlan?
I understand the "Team" was present, were these individuals there?
I am not saying it didn't happen, just that I missed it in all the pages.

[stickdog99]

Ten FBI agents go to interview a guy, and they end up shooting him dead instead.

If they didn't mean to kill him, that is an extraordinary FAIL.

[Simulist]

Ten FBI agents go to interview a guy, and they end up shooting him dead instead.

If they didn't mean to kill him, that is an extraordinary FAIL.

Ten FBI agents went to interview a guy they believed to be linked to bombers (and shooters) who had already maimed and murdered multiple people.

If one of them wound up feeling threatened, and ended up shooting him dead instead, this might be a "fail" but a fairly understandable one.

Nothing "extraordinary" is required.

[Burnt Hill]

Ten FBI agents go to interview a guy, and they end up shooting him dead instead.

If they didn't mean to kill him, that is an extraordinary FAIL.

The fact they sent 10 agents (is that a fact?) from different jurisdictions makes it less likely that they were there to do a "hit".
Now if these 10 agents start dropping....
I surely don't want to be defending the FBI, it just seems to me more likely that it played out the way it was reported.
Have we connected the two FBI helicopter casualties directly to Tamerlans capture?